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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Justus Imperius on 29/05/2006 18:23:04
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I've seen this soooo much lately on escrow dont know wtf is up with it. Usually no name escrow or named something like "111111111111" or "sdfkgsdjfnlksdj" or something random like that. Huge amounts of money. Noob chars. And nothing to claim except a bookmark, peice of trit, or something similarly worthless.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:22:00 -
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You might want to change the frame-breaking image to a link. 
And yeah, it's most likely money laundering. MMO currency farming is a forensic accountancy job, it seems. I wouldn't be surprised if the real proceeds were laundered IRL and used for illegal purposes.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:22:00 -
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Post a link, not a picture. You'll be getting a slap on the wrist.
It's probably just some hopeful scammer.
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:22:00 -
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Thank you for this picture
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Post a link, not a picture. You'll be getting a slap on the wrist.
It's probably just some hopeful scammer.
Its not, Ive seen this so much lately on escrow ( Ive been doing a bit of escrow scanning lookin for deals etc )
And usually they are claimed within 10 minutes.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:26:00 -
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Another
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:30:00 -
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I don't think escrow is excluded from the log server. Escrow should be traceable like any other form of transaction (like trade window, cash transfer, market)
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.29 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
I don't think escrow is excluded from the log server. Escrow should be traceable like any other form of transaction (like trade window, cash transfer, market)
I personally dont think ccp can track escrow like they can the other type of trades... just due to the fact when you complete an escrow you cannot tell who bought from you. This seriously makes me think ccp doesnt even know.
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Rosie Mountain
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rosie Mountain on 29/05/2006 19:14:15
Wow, if the non-traceable escrow is a for real, then just imagine that someone could put up, for example, "First Issue of EON mag" for 1 billion isk, put a bm in there with notes to eve-mail the buyers addresss, and voila!
Actually, I just try to ignore the macro/farmers/etc, just because it can actually ruin the game if I focus too much on that. Needless to say, If I see some, I'll give 'em hell.
edited to try and clarify something. Not sure if it worked though.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:31:00 -
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I'm almost 100% sure CCP can trace escrows. Just because you can't see who claimed your escrow does not mean the info isn't in the background.
Also, perhaps these escrows fall off the viewable list rather than them being claimed?
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I'm almost 100% sure CCP can trace escrows. Just because you can't see who claimed your escrow does not mean the info isn't in the background.
Also, perhaps these escrows fall off the viewable list rather than them being claimed?
Ive tried many times to right click and view some of them, and says its been claimed.
I reallllyyy think somethins up with these, just the sheer amount I've seen in past weeks. If you keep an eye on escrow you'll notice them too. Its much more apparent than the common scams
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.05.29 19:57:00 -
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Yeah, there's always a lot of those going on, been wondering about them myself.
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Tonkin
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Posted - 2006.05.29 20:07:00 -
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i think to sop this they need escrow logs on who bought it etc. and peeps hacking into accounts must do it this way.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.29 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Arcticblue2 on 29/05/2006 21:42:03
maybe let trials and alts less than X days not allowed to trade or use Escrow ?
Today after reading this post, checked escrow and one character sticks out, with 2 escrow deals where selling 1 trit for 100 million (to escrows doing this).
character Zug123...
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F4ze
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Posted - 2006.05.29 22:19:00 -
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The way that system works could be like this:
- person A buys isk on the internet from person B for real Ç or $.
- person B tells person A to create one or more escrows with worthless items for a total sum of the amount of isk bought.
- Person B claims the escrows, thus transfering the isk.
- Now CCP has a harder time tracking these forbidden trades because it is not as easy as looking through a list of straight isk donations
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kurtz abraham
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Posted - 2006.05.29 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: F4ze
The way that system works could be like this:
- person A buys isk on the internet from person B for real Ç or $.
- person B tells person A to create one or more escrows with worthless items for a total sum of the amount of isk bought.
- Person B claims the escrows, thus transfering the isk.
- Now CCP has a harder time tracking these forbidden trades because it is not as easy as looking through a list of straight isk donations
Correct me if IÆm wrong but i don't think this is what the OP is pointing out, person A in this case appears to be another part of the macro/farmer network as they also have gibberish names, this would more than likely be attempted laundering rather than a straight transfer to an ISK buyer.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.05.30 00:01:00 -
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Okey my toughts about this is that a few of those that are selling bogus escrows (like 1 trit for 100 million isk) is the part that is selling the isk on the net, as far as I know you can't transfer isk to trials... that was nerfed by CCP to prevent isk selling.
However doubt it stops trials from selling items on escrow.... so that figure A who is only less than a day old selling trit for 100 million a piece is getting in ALOT of isk here from macroer/isk farmer.
Selling isk on E-bay... it's a trial so you can't connect it to your main apart from that you aparently got "scammed" on escrow.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2006.05.30 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: kurtz abraham
Originally by: F4ze
The way that system works could be like this:
- person A buys isk on the internet from person B for real Ç or $.
- person B tells person A to create one or more escrows with worthless items for a total sum of the amount of isk bought.
- Person B claims the escrows, thus transfering the isk.
- Now CCP has a harder time tracking these forbidden trades because it is not as easy as looking through a list of straight isk donations
Correct me if IÆm wrong but i don't think this is what the OP is pointing out, person A in this case appears to be another part of the macro/farmer network as they also have gibberish names, this would more than likely be attempted laundering rather than a straight transfer to an ISK buyer.
The first image is showing someone likely buying ISK from ebay. What F4ze listed is the way many game currency transaction occur. You see it all the time on WoW and other games that have a player market. This is likely as it is a 5 day old character with a reasonable name.
The second one is likely laundering ISK. Macro miner "buys" worthless item for 100,000,000 ISK from randomly named < 1 day old character. Randomly named character then "buys" worthless item off ebay buyer and then gets deleted.
But if you want to look at laundering real world money I still believe you can't go past the time code selling.
Step 1: Use stolen Credit Cards or money from other illegal activities to purchase time codes from CCP.
Step 2: Sell time codes for ISK.
Step 3: Sell ISK on ebay.
This makes the money almost untraceable after the initial timecode sale and if done right you can actually end up with more money than what you started with.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.30 00:16:00 -
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I dun think its people setting up ebay trades... because if it were, why not do it all in 1 escrow instead of 3 escrows @ 100 each.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2006.05.30 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius
I dun think its people setting up ebay trades... because if it were, why not do it all in 1 escrow instead of 3 escrows @ 100 each.
Perhaps because they sell at units of 100 each. Spreading it out over a few different alts makes it that little bit harder to track.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:09:00 -
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yeah its a new money outlet for ISK sales - but shhh no one cares
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
new
As in new troll alt?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:17:00 -
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.. even money laundry.
Is there anything that EVE cannot simulate?!  
Unnerf Amarr!
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:35:00 -
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Makes me wondering why we dont have escrow limits... its getting insane now seeing 20 1run bpcs of a caracal by one person. Yes, we need escrow... however, its become a tax free route for everything now... why sell in market region when you can put a freighter for escrow for the whole Eve to see with no tax or broker fees?
As for the isk farms, just imagine how many escrows are out there that you CANT see... that are going stright to buyers of isk... its a shame, and CCP opened the door to it all, and now its got way out of hand.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.30 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I'm almost 100% sure CCP can trace escrows. Just because you can't see who claimed your escrow does not mean the info isn't in the background.
Also, perhaps these escrows fall off the viewable list rather than them being claimed?
im also pretty sure they can do that, but do they even care?
with the amounts of macrominers that gets petitioned daily and still sits and macroes 23/7 it sure makes you wonder doesnt it?
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
im also pretty sure they can do that, but do they even care?
They will, the day MMO currency farming is used to fund terrorism. 
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Malken
im also pretty sure they can do that, but do they even care?
They will, the day MMO currency farming is used to fund terrorism.
naah that only applies to politicallysuckinguptotheusgovermentMMORPG's
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.05.30 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
They will, the day MMO currency farming is used to fund terrorism.
And your sure that nowadays MMO's virtual sales dosen't fund criminals in anyway or mafia? You shure? You TOTALLY shure?
Shuuuure!
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Arron S
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Posted - 2006.05.30 08:02:00 -
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The money to pay to play EVE is going into CCP's Take over the world fund. Think of it, Data Mining + "Server upgrades" = CCP Battleships Bombing the earth Surface!!
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2006.05.30 09:15:00 -
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Best one they are doing now is Sending Evemals to new players in game offering ISK 100 mil for 19.99 and then a Website.
And the petition system is so screwy i gave up reporting them.
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