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Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.29 20:58:00 - [1] I'm trying to set exit BMs from a gate. I understand the minimum range to warp to is 150km. So I set a BM 300km from a gate, but I'm unable to warp to the BM from the gate. What gives?
DanFraser	Posted - 2006.05.29 22:36:00 - [2] Edited by: DanFraser on 29/05/2006 22:36:23 The minimum range is much further if the BM is on the same grid, its only cans, ships etc that have the 150km distance. And what point are you trying to achieve by making a gate exit bm???
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.29 22:55:00 - [3] Yeah, I afk-ABd away 1500km and was able to finally warp to the BM, probably much earlier. The point of a gate exit BM is to have a warp-in point which doesn't require aligning. Useful in running gatecamps in a hauler.
Callistus	Posted - 2006.05.29 23:01:00 - [4] You won't get into warp any faster as you still need to accelerate up to 75% speed from stationary. I'm pretty sure that it makes little or no difference which direction you're facing if you're trying to warp from a stationary position. -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Nights Dawn	Posted - 2006.05.29 23:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Amerrus Eka Yeah, I afk-ABd away 1500km and was able to finally warp to the BM, probably much earlier. The point of a gate exit BM is to have a warp-in point which doesn't require aligning. Useful in running gatecamps in a hauler. You'll always have to align to warp to a bookmark. Can't you just make a normal safespot as this is basically what you're after no? Please forgive me if I am wrong however. I am just a little confused by what you are wanting to do
Sovy Kurosei	Posted - 2006.05.29 23:11:00 - [6] I think he is talking about warping to a gate and getting caught in a warp bubble. Instead of doing an about face he can MWD forward, get out of the bubble and warp to the bookmark behind the gate. Don't see any other reason to do what he did, just assuming. ___________________
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.29 23:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei I think he is talking about warping to a gate and getting caught in a warp bubble. Instead of doing an about face he can MWD forward, get out of the bubble and warp to the bookmark behind the gate. Don't see any other reason to do what he did, just assuming. No. I'm talking about jumping to a system which has a un-bubbled camp up (empire). You always face the same direction when you come out of post-jump cloak. So setting a bookmark 1000km or so ahead will give you a warp-in point and you don't have to align. For those who are still questioning the usability of such BMs, I can tell you it is much faster to warp directly to such a bookmark in a hauler fitted with expanded cargoholds. It takes several seconds just to align in such a beast. Seconds they will use to scramble and/or blast you to smithereens.
VinLieger	Posted - 2006.05.30 00:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Amerrus Eka Originally by: Sovy Kurosei I think he is talking about warping to a gate and getting caught in a warp bubble. Instead of doing an about face he can MWD forward, get out of the bubble and warp to the bookmark behind the gate. Don't see any other reason to do what he did, just assuming. No. I'm talking about jumping to a system which has a un-bubbled camp up (empire). You always face the same direction when you come out of post-jump cloak. So setting a bookmark 1000km or so ahead will give you a warp-in point and you don't have to align. For those who are still questioning the usability of such BMs, I can tell you it is much faster to warp directly to such a bookmark in a hauler fitted with expanded cargoholds. It takes several seconds just to align in such a beast. Seconds they will use to scramble and/or blast you to smithereens. I read this several times and cannot understand the use for something like this. Oh and i know its not a constructive post i just would like you to explain it better because the above post makes absolutely no sense
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.30 00:18:00 - [9] sigh set-up: 1. You jump into an empire system in your fast BM maker ship 2. You fly a few hundred km directly ahead 3. You set a BM and name it "Gate EXIT" use: 1. You jump into the same empire system in your slow hauler 2. You see a hostile camp up 3. You warp to BM "Gate EXIT" As your ship always has the same heading when you enter a system, using "Gate EXIT" BM means you don't have to align before you can start accelerating. Doesn't make a big difference in a frig, but haulers take forever to align and using "Gate EXIT" BM can make a difference between life and death.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.30 01:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Amerrus Eka As your ship always has the same heading when you enter a system, I've never paid attention to this but on large gang ops when ships decloak I see them pointing in all different directions. I'll need to test but I strongly suspect you are wrong about the statement I quoted.
Gadfly Hawke	Posted - 2006.05.30 01:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Amerrus Eka As your ship always has the same heading when you enter a system, using "Gate EXIT" BM means you don't have to align before you can start accelerating. Doesn't make a big difference in a frig, but haulers take forever to align and using "Gate EXIT" BM can make a difference between life and death. I disagree on that. When you jump, you're in a different system. There is no relationship between your heading in the old system and the heading in the new system. Your heading coming out of jump must be random. G-Tek is recruiting
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.30 01:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Gadfly Hawke Originally by: Amerrus Eka As your ship always has the same heading when you enter a system, using "Gate EXIT" BM means you don't have to align before you can start accelerating. Doesn't make a big difference in a frig, but haulers take forever to align and using "Gate EXIT" BM can make a difference between life and death. I disagree on that. When you jump, you're in a different system. There is no relationship between your heading in the old system and the heading in the new system. Your heading coming out of jump must be random. Well, before you go disagreeing and making a fool out of yourself by making pure conjecture, you might want to actually test your claim. BTW, I never said there is any relationship between your heading in the old and the new system. The heading in the "new" system is the same regardless of which way you approached the "old" system's stargate.
Gadfly Hawke	Posted - 2006.05.30 01:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Amerrus Eka The heading in the "new" system is the same regardless of which way you approached the "old" system's stargate. And that heading is ... ? G-Tek is recruiting
Amerrus Eka	Posted - 2006.05.30 02:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Gadfly Hawke Originally by: Amerrus Eka The heading in the "new" system is the same regardless of which way you approached the "old" system's stargate. And that heading is ... ? Doesn't matter. I doubt the heading is the same for every system, haven't really paid attention, though. The only thing that matters is that it's the same for the system in question each time so you can set exit bms for each system as described above.
Rumbaar	Posted - 2006.05.30 02:12:00 - [15] I can see the usefullness of this, when I'm in my Badger it turns/aligns like a brick! Will have to test the same direction statement tho. That will be useful to know. Looking for a custom signature click above, Feedback section.

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