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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.16 04:29:00 -
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Does the K-Space location of a wormhole have any bearing on where you might come out in null when using wormholes for travel? I am asking because I am tired of ending up in Wicked Creek every freakin time I have used wormholes this week. 5 for 5 in 4 days doesn't seem very random.
Thanks! |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:06:00 -
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Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts? |
Nightingale Actault
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:15:00 -
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Are you specifically asking about K-K holes? If so, most WH dwellers are scanning chains from inside WH systems, not in K-Space.
From my extremely limited experience, these connections are just as likely to drop you somewhere close as they are somewhere far away. |
Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
847
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:22:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts? Confirming the service around here is atrocious.
Wormhole Intern | Baby Dusette | Generally Clueless
CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
189
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:35:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts?
Well you're not going to get an answer to a half-complete question.
Where are you travelling from? W-Space?
K-space connections should have random destinations, and because of their randomness it can feel like they are not random because we only tend to notice the places we don't want to be rather than the places we do.
On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc.
The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
51
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:41:00 -
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AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts? Well you're not going to get an answer to a half-complete question. Where are you travelling from? W-Space? K-space connections should have random destinations, and because of their randomness it can feel like they are not random because we only tend to notice the places we don't want to be rather than the places we do. On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc.
Sorry. I run data and relic sites every day from high sec using wormholes to get to null sec where the sites are. I am just wondering if my location in High Sec where I enter a wormhole has any effect on where I will end up when I eventually find a wormhole in the chain that exits wormhole space into null.
Your answer is what I figured was true. Sweet coat. Thanks again. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:42:00 -
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Shelby Dusette wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts? Confirming the service around here is atrocious.
It's hard to find good help these days. |
Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
847
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Posted - 2014.05.16 05:53:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Shelby Dusette wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Wow 22 views and no opinions or facts? Confirming the service around here is atrocious. It's hard to find good help these days. Tell me about it sir.
Since my sisters both moved away to join Rolled Out and fight the good fights I've had to supervise everything myself back home with almost no help. Can you imagine what that's like for an average New Eden teenager? And I mean everything, from fueling our towers, cooking my own food, to waxing my legs and bikini line. I dunno about you sir but I'm no contortionist.
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:On a more important note I have a new coat. Thanks Proc. Oh that Mister Diadochu. So dreamy and charitable?
... *sigh*
Wormhole Intern | Baby Dusette | Generally Clueless
CCP Eterne: "Naked avatars for PLEX." |
Jack Miton
Rolled Out
3388
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:33:00 -
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random
adjective 1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers. 2. Statistics. of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen. 3. Building Trades. a. (of building materials) lacking uniformity of dimensions: random shingles. b. (of ashlar) laid without continuous courses. c. constructed or applied without regularity: random bond. 4. Informal. a. unknown, unidentified, or out of place: A couple of random guys showed up at the party. b. odd and unpredictable in an amusing way: my totally random life.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2014.05.16 06:38:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:random
adjective 1. proceeding, made, or occurring without definite aim, reason, or pattern: the random selection of numbers. 2. Statistics. of or characterizing a process of selection in which each item of a set has an equal probability of being chosen. 3. Building Trades. a. (of building materials) lacking uniformity of dimensions: random shingles. b. (of ashlar) laid without continuous courses. c. constructed or applied without regularity: random bond. 4. Informal. a. unknown, unidentified, or out of place: A couple of random guys showed up at the party. b. odd and unpredictable in an amusing way: my totally random life.
Thanks ! I guess I should buy a lotto ticket then! |
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Kalel Nimrott
Rolled Out
1013
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:25:00 -
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Well, you can tell where the wh leads by its color, if that is what you meant. Other than that, I don't know of any effects that leads you to a certain system or region. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
390
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:39:00 -
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No it doesn't.
I'm almost entirely sure that wormhole spawning is completely random. The data I've collected from chain rolling pretty much suggests it's random. In my experience rolling C5-C5 wormholes, the only thing I can say is that I'm 98% sure it's random, and if it's not random, then at least for C5-C5 wormholes, of the 6 possible regions you can roll into, there is one region that is favored more by about 10%, and one region that is disfavored by about 10%. I'm inclined to believe this is just not really a pattern though and just an artifact. I don't have nearly enough data to make such a broad statement.
And that's if you assume that any non-randomness is based around which region the wormhole is in. It's pretty far-fetched overall and tbh I've given up trying to figure it out because it takes a lot of effort and cbf. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
8299
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:05:00 -
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in fairness, we have lived in wormholes now just over 5 weeks. we have noticed that we get drone region nullsecs a LOT and the rest are only on and off wormholes that we sometimes get.. dont know why! |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
391
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Posted - 2014.05.16 09:09:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:in fairness, we have lived in wormholes now just over 5 weeks. we have noticed that we get drone region nullsecs a LOT and the rest are only on and off wormholes that we sometimes get.. dont know why!
I don't know the exact numbers, but drone regions make up I believe around half of all the nullsec systems in Eve? Even if not half (I don't know the numbers again), they do make up a disproportionately larger part of nullsec than other regions. You shouldn't be surprised, this is pretty much par for the course. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
52
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:00:00 -
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Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread.
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350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
55
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:08:00 -
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As far as I know, WH's have always been random. What people are noticing (I think Angsty talked about +/-10% favour for two regions) is more related to probability than randomness. Though the probability of Molden Heath 5 holes in a row may be low, hitting it doesn't rule out the randomness of the holes. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
196
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:20:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Does the K-Space location of a wormhole have any bearing on where you might come out in null when using wormholes for travel? I am asking because I am tired of ending up in Wicked Creek every freakin time I have used wormholes this week. 5 for 5 in 4 days doesn't seem very random.
Thanks!
No, your starting location in highsec is irrelevant but there is something else at play here - not all nullspace areas are the same size.
So you are twice as likely to end up in wicked creek (80 systems) than to end up in cloud ring (40 systems).
Similarly not all NPC areas have quite the same distribution so you are more likely to end up in certain areas than in others (this can affect exploration). I forget the stats for null but they are out there somewhere. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
52
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:24:00 -
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Thanks again all. I ended up in Fountain last night. Thank the maker :) |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2014.05.16 18:38:00 -
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My corp has lived in two systems since I've been a member, so well over three years now. I have actually noticed some differences with our hisec static: the previous home never opened to Solitude, and the current one has opened there at least 3-4 times now.
While I do admit that I'm not on 23.5x7, I also suspect I would have noticed an opening to Solitude in the nearly two years in the previous home. We've only been in current home for maybe a year and a half and have connected multiple times already; my activity times have generally remained consistent. The two systems are in a different W-space region, though both are C2/HS/C4 no effect.
The results are easily shoved into the realm of statistical error, but it still means something to me and does point to something I'd like to figure out how to investigate eventually. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2238
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:57:00 -
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Ya know its hard to even say given that the OP has given very little pertinent information. Are the WH's you are finding k162's?
If so I guess it's possible that lots of peeps in wicked creek have whatever upgrades that are responsible for more WH's, so they get more, and therefore you find the other end more often. |
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Nightingale Actault
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
23
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:05:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:have whatever upgrades that are responsible for more WH's
My understanding was that those upgrades didn't even work.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
52
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:30:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Ya know its hard to even say given that the OP has given very little pertinent information. Are the WH's you are finding k162's?
If so I guess it's possible that lots of peeps in wicked creek have whatever upgrades that are responsible for more WH's, so they get more, and therefore you find the other end more often.
That makes sense. I probably enter K162's at least half the time. |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
14
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Posted - 2014.05.16 23:41:00 -
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If your talking about k162's inbound; yeah it's random. Some regions will have more people scanning wh's down hence more k162.
What's interesting is during the times I lived in multiple c1-c3, the statics atleast 40% of the time lead to a specific rat space. For example, my last c3 dumped out to blood raider rat space easily 4/10 times. |
Keith Planck
Rolled Out
779
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:17:00 -
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If you compare the massive number of random wormholes with the massive number of eve players. And then assume that only those that have crazy unlikely things happen to them will make forum posts about it.
Then you get a perfectly logical and..
GODAMMIT I don't have 777 likes anymore :< aka Pony Lord Planck |
ViRtUoZone
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
18
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:32:00 -
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Odds are that if you're flying through wormholes leading to highsec or other parts of empire you've noticed that they mostly lead to Amarrian space, this is still random, it only occurs because Amarr owns more space in highsec than any other empire.
Hope this cleared up what you were asking.
Also when a wormhole is jumped through for the first time, only then does the wormhole on the other side open up. So naturally if there is a higher concentration of players in a specific region, it makes sense that you would find more wormholes to that region. |
Kirasten
Sin Factory Infinite Anarchy
18
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:57:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:If you compare the massive number of random wormholes with the massive number of eve players. And then assume that only those that have crazy unlikely things happen to them will make forum posts about it.
Then you get a perfectly logical and..
GODAMMIT I don't have 777 likes anymore :<
This made my day. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
592
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Posted - 2014.05.17 10:29:00 -
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Keith Planck wrote:If you compare the massive number of random wormholes with the massive number of eve players. And then assume that only those that have crazy unlikely things happen to them will make forum posts about it.
Then you get a perfectly logical and..
GODAMMIT I don't have 777 likes anymore :<
888 is generally considered the good luck charm for wealth. So no worries. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
74
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Posted - 2014.05.17 10:35:00 -
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I know what you mean. I get a lot of Amarr exits.
So code can't do random in the way we think of random, as in picking a number out of nowhere. Code instead uses something as an initial number and throws it through some equations to come up with something that feels random. As such over time, you may notice a pattern (humans are awesome at that) if you use a random function with a seed (initial number) that's regular. Most random numbers are made of time and/or date or somesuch other number always available. It could be that whatever formula CCP uses is using time alone and times that are close together (as in you play more or less the same time each night) are creating "random" numbers that are similar and thus generating systems that are nearby.
Anyone up for jumping on Sisi for the next month once a day and initialising warp to a k space exit at the same time to see what happens?
Other option is confirmation bias. You don't like Wicked Creek so Wicked Creek exits stand out more so it feels like you always get them. Maybe try recording every region every time you head out? |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
2345
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Posted - 2014.05.18 02:52:00 -
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I don't know about NS statics, but my hole has a hisec static. Eventually the entire corp just moved their crap to Amarr because between our static and our C1's probable static we almost always were closest to Amarr. I bet 5 of 7 days we'd have an Amarr exit available. I have no idea why, but sometimes you just have to relax and think of England. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
398
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Posted - 2014.05.18 14:45:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:I don't know about NS statics, but my hole has a hisec static. Eventually the entire corp just moved their crap to Amarr because between our static and our C1's probable static we almost always were closest to Amarr. I bet 5 of 7 days we'd have an Amarr exit available. I have no idea why, but sometimes you just have to relax and think of England.
There are significantly more amarr systems/regions in the game than the other races. See:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Empire_space#Empire_Sovereignty_Listing
It's unsurprising therefore that you saw amarr more often. Just as people see drone lands nullsecs more often than others. |
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