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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:03:00 -
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What is this dmg bonus every1 is talking about???
Raven dosent have a dmg bonus, it got a ROF and Velocity bonus...no dmg!
ergo, no dmg bonus can be stripped from the Raven. If missiles gets more dmg it can only be good (read overpowerd) for the Raven.
//Rec-cant belive I just wrote that :S
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Tuxford
Ok I'll remove one damage bonus from the Cerberus
*runs and hides*
That missile velocity factor bonus is kind of useless though, I want to change it. We're starting working on assault missiles soon and after that it becomes more logical to compare the damage output of a nighthawk with the damage output of astarte and so on.
Also theres stuff about missiles in general that I'd like to change, I'd just like them to do more damage and missiles ship not getting damage bonus to them. The reason for that is that missiles are used as secondary weapon for a lot of ships and as such these ships don't get any bonuses to them.
Note I'm not thinking about boosting the cerberus and raven and those specialized missile ship its more to boost the split weapon system bastards. Of course as of now this is just a silly idea thats stuck in my head and I haven't even talked it over with other devs so don't have a fit just yet 
what you actually said is:
"I want missiles to have the stats they have right now without the ship bonuses, so we can put more useful bonuses on caldari ships like resistance/boost too!"
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
What is this dmg bonus every1 is talking about???
Raven dosent have a dmg bonus, it got a ROF and Velocity bonus...no dmg!
ergo, no dmg bonus can be stripped from the Raven. If missiles gets more dmg it can only be good (read overpowerd) for the Raven.
//Rec-cant belive I just wrote that :S
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In case you haven't relized, ROF bonus IS a damage bonus. maybe? I wonder...
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: Recluse XXX
What is this dmg bonus every1 is talking about???
Raven dosent have a dmg bonus, it got a ROF and Velocity bonus...no dmg!
ergo, no dmg bonus can be stripped from the Raven. If missiles gets more dmg it can only be good (read overpowerd) for the Raven.
//Rec-cant belive I just wrote that :S
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In case you haven't relized, ROF bonus IS a damage bonus. maybe? I wonder...
No it isnt, it increases the DPS not the actuall dmg...
It would be like taking away the ROF bonus from the Geddon, lets see how the Amarrians would like that.
//Rec
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:29:00 -
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Yes, and DPS is what is important at the end of the day...
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.06.10 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yes, and DPS is what is important at the end of the day...
Yup, and that is why the Geddon should be nerfed to hell and back 
//Rec
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.10 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: Recluse XXX
What is this dmg bonus every1 is talking about???
Raven dosent have a dmg bonus, it got a ROF and Velocity bonus...no dmg!
ergo, no dmg bonus can be stripped from the Raven. If missiles gets more dmg it can only be good (read overpowerd) for the Raven.
//Rec-cant belive I just wrote that :S
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In case you haven't relized, ROF bonus IS a damage bonus. maybe? I wonder...
No it isnt, it increases the DPS not the actuall dmg...
It would be like taking away the ROF bonus from the Geddon, lets see how the Amarrians would like that.
//Rec
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*bangs his head on his keyboard until he fractures his skull and dies*
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.10 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Yes, and DPS is what is important at the end of the day...
Yup, and that is why the Geddon should be nerfed to hell and back
//Rec
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Okay, "effective DPS". Happier?
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.10 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
the split weapon system bastards
Thats not a nice way to talk about Minmatar :(:(:(:(:(
But seriously, I <3 this idea.
Testy's Eve Blog, Updated 01/06/06
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.06.10 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Recluse XXX
Originally by: Kayosoni
In case you haven't relized, ROF bonus IS a damage bonus. maybe? I wonder...
No it isnt, it increases the DPS not the actuall dmg...
DPS is DAMAGE per second, which is generally what people refer to when they just say "damage", and RoF bonuses increase that.
The thing that RoF bonuses don't increase ALPHA STRIKE damage...but that's mostly just important on artillery anyway.
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.06.10 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
*bangs his head on his keyboard until he fractures his skull and dies*
Good, tell Lucifer I said hi.
Of course I know that ROF increases DPS and hence dmg but it isnt the same thing now is it.
But I stand corrected, ROF bonus is some kind of dmg bonus even tho it dosent really say so.
//Rec
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Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39
We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.06.10 22:48:00 -
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It'd be nice if all weapon systems were tweaked so that anyone could fit whatever on any ship, not just missles. Do away with ship bonuses altogether, I say.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.10 23:07:00 -
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Cruiser rockets will fix the NightHawk. The problem is how to nerf the Cerebus so it isnt unstoppable with cruiser rockets but without making it worse with heavies.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Flipidy Floo
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Posted - 2006.06.11 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Flipidy Floo on 11/06/2006 10:48:10
Fine, you guys want missles to do more damage... then they can follow suit with rockets and get 15 and 25 km ranges respectively for the larger ships.
I'm sick of hearing that a Cerb's dmg sucks or that a Nighthawk is useless. If you notice, almost everyone who says it follows with... "this is why I won't train for the ship yet."
Fly the damn thing first. It's rediculous that you complain about what numbers tell you rather than what experience show's you.
Go get your uber dmg Astarte and enjoy taking forever getting to your target if the fight starts at any decent range.
I've had the luxury of flying all 4 and the nighthawk is prolly in my top 2. Dmg of a cerb, tank of the gods, and will WTFPWN anything smaller than a Bs... and BS can't break it's tank. Not to mention it's got the most wicked passive tank of any shield ship.
The Cerb is overpowered. No, it doesn't get the dmg of the other hacs, but it get's like 50x the range and for not a lot of fall off. The NH will be even more unbelievable when assaults are fixed because it means the "cruiser torp" will do max dmg on cruisers, not gimpped.
Besides, it's got a nice free high slot for either a cloak or a nos, and both are extremely effective on the ship.
Start flying before you bash, and get creative when you do finally step into one. But for pete sake, quit the whining.
** And btw... halving the range of torps will kill the newb infatuation with the Raven in a heartbeat.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2006.06.11 12:16:00 -
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I think a lot of people in this thread are missing the point.
We (Caldari pilots) aren't asking for an 800 dps tanking monster (although it would be nice ).
Both the Absolution and Astarte retain their dual damage bonus of the Zealot and Deimos respectively and then gain two turrets to further increase damage.
Now lets take a look at the Nighthawk which gains one missile hardpoint and loses a damage bonus which results in the Nighthawk doing only 70% of the total dps output of a Cerberus compared to an Astarte or Absolution which do ~140% dps of their respective HAC counterparts.
The logic for this seems to be "but it's a frigate killer! Look at the precision bonus!", the problem is a t1 Caracal with assaults do a perfectly good job for 4m isk and without the 3 months of specialised training. The entire Caldari ship repertoire seems to be centered around killing frigates... we don't need or want another isk/skill sink!
Just give the Nighthawk the same bonuses as the Cerberus and an extra launcher point and we'll get something that does 500 dps with decent skills and make a lot of people very happy at last.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.06.13 14:57:00 -
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The cerb is a very good ship. The NightHawk int. I giant slow tub that fairly good at shooting Frigs isnt exactly widely sought after niche.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:20:00 -
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Well i just wrote a huge post on how the nh cant catch ceptors with its missles etc. but it seems that it didnt post and asked me to log in again.
To sum it up i can hit a ceptor harder with its mwd off then it on and having a huge sig radius just because of the speed of the missles etc...
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2006.06.13 20:52:00 -
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Any chance on an actual ETA? I want to know when to get ready to put my very mediocre charisma to some use and train some Leadeship skills for this ship!
PS. Thanks for the previous response, Tux. However, some of us are kind of hungry for even a general ETA.
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Tovarishch
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Posted - 2006.07.04 23:34:00 -
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This thread wasn't quite dead... but it was starting to stink.
Tux... any news, sir?
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.05 09:57:00 -
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I fly it and it's crap even to kill frigs. 9 damage 4tl
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