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Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.23 23:14:00 - [1] The situation in game relating to MinerII blue prints is UNACCEPTABLE. You cannot provide 1 renewable source of income in a game (Which is what an unlimited BPC of the M2 is) There has to be Balance. Someone tell me MinerII BP are available for players to find in game and i will be happy . But as I understand it they arnt available. Now i learn that the sole supplier will only trade them for minerals which i guess are used in its production and they are finding hard to aquire.. THIS IS A JOKE. This universe rocks and i love it.. I can put up with strange phenomona .. its a complicated universe. But i cant believe that only 1 copy of this increadably important piece of equiptment exists Get a grip make sure another couple of large corporations get thier hands on copies .. I dont care who .. lets have some blinkin competative market forces.
Deathwing	Posted - 2003.09.23 23:26:00 - [2] Yea Monopoly is a cool game But it doesnt belong in Eve as far as i am concerned <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.23 23:39:00 - [3] Sorry Forgot to mention. Bump this keep it at the top and add your might to what you know is right .. Dont just read an go "yea" Post your comments .. it really is a joke if we can get enought posts here perhaps somone will listen<Sarcastiv laugh
NoS Dingo	Posted - 2003.09.23 23:47:00 - [4] As far as I am aware it is not a monopoly as there is more than 1 source of supply. I think the term you are really looking for is "Price Fixing". Which is normally against the law in civilised countries.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.23 23:48:00 - [5] Ahh so there are multiple suppliers.. Excuse my ignorance. Who are they.
hainnas	Posted - 2003.09.24 00:12:00 - [6] Quote: As far as I am aware it is not a monopoly as there is more than 1 source of supply. I think the term you are really looking for is "Price Fixing". Which is normally against the law in civilised countries. Price fixing, collusion, oligopoly, what's in a name? :P
Dr Fritz	Posted - 2003.09.24 00:31:00 - [7] I agree completely that the Miner II fiasco is totally unacceptable. If there are multiple original BP's in Eve now, how does someone get one? Are the rumors true and you have to know an employee to get one? I hate the idea that this rumor may be true :( -Dr Fritz
Headd	Posted - 2003.09.24 00:31:00 - [8] Agreed with what's being said. Not against them being rare at all. I'm against certain corps getting the bp's and the process not being open to everyone. If they were being given through agent missions as super rare, now that would be neat.
Jojin	Posted - 2003.09.24 02:50:00 - [9] I disagree with the limited provisioning of a renewable resource (Miner II BP in this instance) to a select few. It would be different if there were a way to forcefully remove or obtain the resource from these individuals or groups, but the current gaming environment does not allow for such to occur. Monopolies on items should be an integral part of the game. For example take patent information on the design of a product. This allows individuals/companies to capitalize on a development for a period of time before the competition is allowed to manufacture the identical product. The apparent problem, as it would seem, is no one in the entire EVE universe seems competent enough to reverse engineer a seemingly simple and available item as a Miner II. This is quite frustrating to those who have chosen to specialize in the research areas. The limitation also can make it difficult for newer players in small corporations to join into the next size or become competition when such a valuable resource is locked into their competitions arms. Such situations leads to the larger individuals having access to a cash cow and demand either large monetary sums or demand other rare goods. Again, this would not be the case if there were some way for the other corporations to develop or obtain similar items as to level out the playing field slightly. I am not for the placing of rare items on the market as this would then make it a non-rarity. Instead I would rather see it popup as a random occurrence from different tasks so all players (as individuals) have a chance to obtain such an item through work. The tasks should not be defined as a definite end to an item. In other words it should not be placed as a task reward for a specific agent mission in a specific system, this just causes a calamity as everyone strives for the same goal. Rather leave it upon for many instances to occur and perhaps a only limited occurrences for each type. This way the players have to work hard at specific things not knowing exactly what or when the rewards will be seen. Large Corporations obviously because they have a large number of players would have a higher percentage chance to obtain items.
Dr Fritz	Posted - 2003.09.24 03:57:00 - [10] Jojin, I completely agree with the essense of your post! I think the idea of rare/unique items is fantastic! I too developed a scientist character with the expectation that I would be able to research and produce unique items (maybe I got that from the box??). I would happily be purchasing and possibly destroying Miner II's in an attempt reverse engineer them and develop a competitive product. (But this is a topic for a different thread.) My problem with the Miner II's is not that they exist, but how they came about and how CCP handed over a monoply (or is exploit a better word?) to a corp or two. How is the Miner II helping the Eve world? My point is not to complain, my point is to get CCP to listen and make changes that benifit everyone. I think the reverse engineering topic deserves lots of attention, but even better, would be if scientist could actually research new products on our own and create trully unique items. Imagine the possibility! -Dr Fritz

Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 06:17:00 - [11] Thanks for your input. I too am happy for items to be difficult to get. As long as ANY player has the chance of getting them .. This doesent mean everyone will have the drive and determination to get the items but thats the whole point .. If they put the effort in .. there is the goal.. Please add your comments to this post. We need to show disatisfaction with the way this has been handled or it will happen again and again. Im sure non of us wants that
Dark Nyte	Posted - 2003.09.24 09:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Dark Nyte on 24/09/2003 09:20:27 IF ppl could improve aspects of modules with research (and the blue prints actually being avalible some how) then you would still have some corps being able to make money and sell elite equipment but it would also give new players/corps a chance aswell plus if corp one produced a miner2 that they had reseach to reduce its cycle time and corp two researched to get more per cycle ppl would have an intresting choice rather then "miner2 best, me buy" and brain melting through lack of stimulation. It really annoy me at the moment because some items/ships (erhmm Thorex) are so blantely better there no point in having anything else. for example with ya thorex instead of it haveing the best drone space and the most laser turrets make it have just one of two and give the other to another ship so you have a ship to suit your mining style or skills... maybe make an indy with 3 mining lasers so you could argue that you have to make less trips and don't have to worry about security thus again giving a reason for choice against the one and only best way to do something... opps ranting again...
Mr Box	Posted - 2003.09.24 09:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Mr Box on 24/09/2003 09:43:25 Id just like to say, I too agree the current situation with Miner 2's is a joke. The ppl who have been given them have basicly been handed millions posably billions of isk, for virtuly no effort. How they can justify this, when at the same time they try to sell the idea that things like not being able to reverse enginner or not fixing the roids or removing the ablity to farm pirates are good things. They seem to be perfectly happy to make it harder for most to make money whilst at the same time are quite happy to just give large somes of money out to a few elite. This is in no way even close to a fair game and if it doesnt get better soon I can see large numbers of ppl leaving eve over it. Its a shame becuase EVE has good potiential but if things like this dont get resolved it wont last long enough to live up to it.
Garreck	Posted - 2003.09.24 10:35:00 - [14] You know, when I first got online with Eve, the biggest complaint was that too many people got access to battleship blueprint copies too fast, and it ruined the economy. Now there is a rare item out there that is creating a market all on its own, and folks continue to complain. CCP is trying to strike a balance, and I think they're doing a good job. If everybody had access to all the same stuff, there would be no diversity in Eve. CCP is attempting to model a realistic economy, and in such an economy, there will be a very small group of very rich people. If it were otherwise, then the economy would be more stagnant than some players already say it is. Having limited miner 2s gives people something to save up for and it gives spice to the economy. If you think about how much a dedicated miner can make with the improved income of a miner 2, the price is negligable. Will you get as rich as the people selling the miner2s? Not at first. But you will get rich. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 10:44:00 - [15] Hmmm I have no gripes with rare items .. but that isnt what this is .. its an item some people have that others have no way of obtaining. Thats not rare. Items will be added to the game as time goes by and at first they will be sought after and people will should get rich .. such is life. But at the same time others should be striving for the rare items so that they can get in on the deal .. a by product of that is an economy that works.. Miner 2's are not part of the economy .. They do not improve the economy .. All they are doing is making small outfits and lone miners angry and making a few "special" corp increadably rich. When other rare items appear who the hell do you think will have the money to get them easily .. Let me think oh it will be the "special" corps.. Sigh
Garreck	Posted - 2003.09.24 10:59:00 - [16] I have no easy answers for you. I'm from a small corp and I often mine alone. I am not offended by rich corporations. I will continue to have fun doing what I do and wait for an opportunity to come my way. Who knows who will get their hands on "the next big thing." Maybe it'll be a nameless corp. Then they'll have something to compete with the miner 2. Right now, implants seem to be a good way of getting rich quick. There are always opportunities for those with imagination. Garreck Aeternus Crusade Aku. Soku. Zan.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 11:09:00 - [17] Agreed All i am trying to make clear is that this is an unrealistic thing that is happening. Items are rare .. for a time . in that time people get rich quik. Items that are rare should have varieing degrees of dificulty to obtain. But the crux is anyone should be able to obtain them. They should never be impossible to obtain and if they are then they should only be produced (like in this case ie reproducable item) by npc corps. This situation is creating a huge power base for the corporation/s involved. This is also unacceptable .. we have people becomming godlike in power in the gameworld .. not on thier own merits but because of a DEV/GM/OCP decision. That sucks
Rancid Mare	Posted - 2003.09.24 11:29:00 - [18] gets my vote..... sort it out..... Rancid Mare of the EveMarshals. Our Webby Recruitement Videos here
Fred0	Posted - 2003.09.24 11:37:00 - [19] Jeez. Godlike? They rule one piece of kit right? And that piece of kit is resold for about 5 mill I hear. Fight it ingame. Make some kind of stand against monopolistic situations.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 11:43:00 - [20] I think that that is part of the problem my friend. There is nothing you can do about this in the game .. Hence the anger and frustration. And yes i mean godlike. The power base they are creating just gets bigger each day. When new things arrive they ill be the first to get the due to .. get this .. market forces .. they will be able to pay whatever it takes. It sucks

Demitri Klashnikov	Posted - 2003.09.24 11:54:00 - [21] Jeeez guys its a game about power and influence Techell is the only corp activly selling, and they aquired the bp through fair means, sure they will make billions, but through cunning and good business practice. I would love a few Miner2's but as I dont need them i would rather buy mods and stuff. Eve is what you want it to be, if you dont like it team with enough people plan a strat and execute it, just don't sit back and ***** on the forum -----------------------------------------------
Relentless	Posted - 2003.09.24 12:07:00 - [22] It doesn't take cunning to sell a highly useful commodity at a 6000% markup when u have an artificial monopoly. u just have to be an ahole. It is a problem because of the absolute protection provided by the eve environment. there is no way to steal, reverse engineer, or otherwise threaten the monopoly. These companies can sit back and laugh at other players the same way can thieves in noob corps laugh when they steal your ore. But this isn't a few hundred k isk, this is many billions sucked into the hands of a few, and it's highly destructive to the play balance. I agree with Gadgets.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 12:11:00 - [23] Quote: Jeeez guys its a game about power and influence Techell is the only corp activly selling, and they aquired the bp through fair means, sure they will make billions, but through cunning and good business practice. I would love a few Miner2's but as I dont need them i would rather buy mods and stuff. Eve is what you want it to be, if you dont like it team with enough people plan a strat and execute it, just don't sit back and *** on the forum This is not ***ing. Im sorry if you see it that way .. Im not going to "leave" and takemy bat home.. I love this game. It is awsome. What has happened /.is happening with the m2 technology is simply unacceptable to me. It relates to the market so thats where i posted it. Its not a bug. I see it as a sanctioned exploit. People are getting something for nothing. Read up for a list of valid reasons.
Gadgets	Posted - 2003.09.24 13:13:00 - [24] Boing
Koda	Posted - 2003.09.24 13:56:00 - [25] Like everyone else, I would love to get my hands on a fewer Miner II's. My theory is that they're being withheld until the baby roid bug gets fixed. Valueable ore is already a HUGE commodity. I'm lucky to find even kernite or omber with more than 100 units. Imagine how fast belts would get stripped if everyone were mining 50% faster? -------------- Share the love in the SNIGG Forums
Serina Verity	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:08:00 - [26] After reading the 'News' on the billboards last night, I have to agree with this. So far, there are far too few miner II BP's in the game. The companies that own them have had a monopoly for about a month, and that is long enough, I feel. I don't grudge them for taking the opportunity to command the high price for Miner II's for a little while (This happens in RL, after all!) It is just that no-one else will ever get the same opportunity as the game stands at the moment. And this completely takes the p*ss. Anyway, the best form of protest is not to participate in these 'special deals' that the aforementioned corp is offering. (2 week waiting lists for a Miner 2, I ask you!) And to make it even harder for them, don't sell them Megacyte at all, except at vastly inflated prices. You can't make battleships without it. Unfortunately, with the massive bug introduced in the last patch, I suspect that most of the time between now and new patch day will be bug fixes. So don't expect the situation to change any time soon.
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:21:00 - [27] Maybe the news item was put there as an event triggerign the release of the miner II into the market.... Remember, the market can be changed server-side. ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------
Uxinn	Posted - 2003.09.24 16:42:00 - [28] Yes Agreed, something needs to be done to balance the miner II monapoly.. Surly someone would have been able to reverse engineer the item by now or somthing.. to lower the prices on miner II we need to add miner II into loot table among pirate versions of miner II.. Agents are still only giving away miner I ??? wtf do they mean by that? Uxinn cheers, Uxinn
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2003.09.24 18:39:00 - [29] Techell doesnt have a monopoly. They're just the only corp good enough to sell Miner IIs at all (for prices below trade channel, that's the truth for sure). AFAIK 2 other corps have unlimited Miner II BPCs and they refuse to sell Miner IIs outside their own organizations. Why isn't anyone chewing them out? If they were manufacturing Miner IIs 24/7 and selling for under 4 mill, the situation would be better. Heck, if they chose to sell for less than Techell then we might even have some competition. As it is Techell is trying to meet the demand of every miner and trade channel leach in the game using only 2 BPCs with fairly long manufacturing times. The problem here isn't really price (since most buying from them immediately resell for a huge profit anyways) but scarcity of supply, which only CCP or the other BPC holders can fix. You wanna start a movement, start bugging CCP to release more BPCs or even start having NPCs sell miner IIs. I bet Kel'dra et al would even sign that petition, just to be left alone :) BW Originally by: Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Falnaerith	Posted - 2003.09.24 19:37:00 - [30] I would like to add onto this by saying that Techell is selling for much less than they could be. Since their deal now is in return for megacyte, they can bump up their productions again and sell more ships. I don't know that if I had the bpc and was pumping them out, that I would sell at these prices As to gadget, do you think techell is on the top because of their # of members? They are a great corp and have worked towards this. They deserve the profits they are making in these sales. (Considering that the more they make, the less they can afford to sell their ships for, and continue to sell at, which eventually comes back to us) ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them.



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