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Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 17:43:00 - [1] we need something that can uncloak them, maybe a module like i saw ones on market when coldwar was tested that worked like smartbomb, maybe special ship, that can use it, and have like range bonuses to it, because cov op aka info. is way 2 powerfull just my 2 cents ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Ediz Daxx	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:01:00 - [2] Go withing 2.5km from them and they uncloak.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:06:00 - [3] lol The only ships the can use the Co-Ops cloak don't have that much firepower anyway. Especially since they loose a high just to fit the cloak. Please explain a little more why you think they are too powerful :P
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Exavier Macbeth lol The only ships the can use the Co-Ops cloak don't have that much firepower anyway. Especially since they loose a high just to fit the cloak. Please explain a little more why you think they are too powerful :P information= most powerfull weapon? ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Ediz Daxx Go withing 2.5km from them and they uncloak. right, how didnt I thought about that, thanks alot ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Ometoch	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:34:00 - [6] You know, not to flame you, but..... It seems that everytime someone can't think of a way to beat a ship they are obviously overpowered. I can't understand why all of you keep looking for the easy button, or the "I Win" button in EVE. Recon Ships are not going to be WTFOMGBBQPWNing you anytime soon. they do lose a High Slot, as the previous poster has stated, and honestly, a covert op ship is only effective until it decloaks. And as far as them being able to collect information... they are other ways of doing that, too. like alts, especially alts in another corp. Look, if you want an "I WIN" button, go play another game. EVE is challenging, and that is its appeal. Just because you can't beat a ship, it doesn't mean it is overpowered.... usually it just might mean you are underpowered. maybe you should ask CCP to give you the 1337 skillz you so desire. Good luck with that *Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.*
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Ometoch You know, not to flame you, but..... It seems that everytime someone can't think of a way to beat a ship they are obviously overpowered. I can't understand why all of you keep looking for the easy button, or the "I Win" button in EVE. Recon Ships are not going to be WTFOMGBBQPWNing you anytime soon. they do lose a High Slot, as the previous poster has stated, and honestly, a covert op ship is only effective until it decloaks. And as far as them being able to collect information... they are other ways of doing that, too. like alts, especially alts in another corp. Look, if you want an "I WIN" button, go play another game. EVE is challenging, and that is its appeal. Just because you can't beat a ship, it doesn't mean it is overpowered.... usually it just might mean you are underpowered. maybe you should ask CCP to give you the 1337 skillz you so desire. Good luck with that ffs, I'm not looking for win button, nor do I have problems with cov op ships in meaning of not being able to handle/live with them, problem is that there is no way to counter them, unlike all other ships in eve ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Stamm	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:42:00 - [8] While I don't think they are overpowered, I don't think the smartbomby burst the cloak modules are too bad an idea. The only time they would be used would be if you knew a cloaker was there and you wanted to find them. Plus they've got a very small range. That cloaker can be anywhere in the system. Whether they'd actually be useful at all is another thing though :P
Archa	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:45:00 - [9] it would be nice if you could anchor a cov op detection bubble on the other side of the gate of say 30km in diameter. so your force can jump through and when the cov op tries to go through, he wont be able to cloack when he tries to warp out. so a fast tackler could then take him.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:46:00 - [10] Interdiction sphere + skilled interdictor pilot = DEAD Cov ops pilots. Shamis.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:49:00 - [11] Ok well you can't really counter the "Information" because that can be gained in a shuttle. As for other counters what are you trying to counter? Combat aginst them well if you lost to it then you probly did somethign wrong as the Force Recon ones (that can use the co-ops cloak) arn't that powerful i nthe weapons department. If its in the EW area well they are Recon Ships... which means they are good with they should be good there anyway. If its for spying you'd really have to know where they are to even use a smartbomb style weapon anyway. And if its for travel they still have trouble with properly set up gate camps... Be more specific about what they are overpowered at
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Interdiction sphere + skilled interdictor pilot = DEAD Cov ops pilots. Shamis. Yes this is true... I found this out the hard way :P
Ometoch	Posted - 2006.05.31 18:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Bacchuss Originally by: Ometoch You know, not to flame you, but..... It seems that everytime someone can't think of a way to beat a ship they are obviously overpowered. I can't understand why all of you keep looking for the easy button, or the "I Win" button in EVE. Recon Ships are not going to be WTFOMGBBQPWNing you anytime soon. they do lose a High Slot, as the previous poster has stated, and honestly, a covert op ship is only effective until it decloaks. And as far as them being able to collect information... they are other ways of doing that, too. like alts, especially alts in another corp. Look, if you want an "I WIN" button, go play another game. EVE is challenging, and that is its appeal. Just because you can't beat a ship, it doesn't mean it is overpowered.... usually it just might mean you are underpowered. maybe you should ask CCP to give you the 1337 skillz you so desire. Good luck with that ffs, I'm not looking for win button, nor do I have problems with cov op ships in meaning of not being able to handle/live with them, problem is that there is no way to counter them, unlike all other ships in eve well, the only thing you can't counter is the cloak... but, while cloaked, they can't attack you. So... They do their job well. That is the whole point. a hole in space... waiting, watching, ready to vector in the rest of the fleet. Again, the same thing can be done with an alt... or crudely with probes. There are ways to counter them... you just have to think a bit outside the box. They are the same as our spy sattelites today. you know they are watching, but can't really do much about it. So... you either go about your business, or find a way to hide your operations from them. *Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.*
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:27:00 - [14] omg, you obviusly dont get it....just go back to your missions plz... ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Khatred	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:29:00 - [15] So basicaly you are asking that, at least for Cov Ops frigate, to take away the only defense they got? Cute. _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:30:00 - [16] cloaks dont need a counter, dont really see what makes them so powerful that you want a module that makes them into suicide rides interdictors, instalockers and wellplaced cans already do its job fine Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:33:00 - [17] the only thing I would like to see removed is the ability to cloak inside a warp bubble (including interdiction spheres). besides that they're fine. Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Jasai Kameron	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Jasai Kameron on 31/05/2006 19:35:10 Edited by: Jasai Kameron on 31/05/2006 19:34:59 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Interdiction sphere + skilled interdictor pilot = DEAD Cov ops pilots. Shamis. Why? I ask so I can be a pre-warned.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.31 19:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Bacchuss we need something that can uncloak them, maybe a module like i saw ones on market when coldwar was tested that worked like smartbomb, maybe special ship, that can use it, and have like range bonuses to it, because cov op aka info. is way 2 powerfull just my 2 cents Originally by: Bacchuss information= most powerfull weapon? ok no reason to be rude but here is basicly all the information from you on this thread. (excluding sarcastic remarks) From what i gather you want a device you can activate to disable the claok of a co-ops ship within an area of your ship. Problems: -For it to be effective you have to KNOW where the co-ops ship is to begin with. -For it to be effective you have to assume the co-ops pilot won't be smart enough to stay out of range. -If you make the range extreme then it will break cloaks into useless items like they where when they where introduced. Current Solutions: -Get within 2500m of ship (if you see them cloak its not that hard) -Use Smartbombs (again it helps if you see them cloak) -Use Interedictor sphere to force decloak -Don't worry about them as if they are doing nothing but spying on you then what are you worried about? The same thign can be done in a shuttle or a pod for that matter. Only difference is you can't shoot them. Now if you think a Co-Ops ship is overpowered for its ability to become a silent watcher then I think you need to be nerfed. You should usually make you initial topic more clear on what you want changed. BTW things like item suggestions go in the Ideas Forum :P
Ometoch	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Bacchuss omg, you obviusly dont get it....just go back to your missions plz... If anything, what I don't get is why exactly that everyone thinks that EVERY thing in EVE needs a ship to counter it. Have you flown a Recon or Covert Ops??? I haven't either... but a corpmate of mine does. He has the most boring job in the world, but he is EXTREMELY valuable. His CovOps ship is made out of paper, and if he was ever detected. he'd die very quick. As for a way to detect them... again, as a previous post has stated, you would need to KNOW where they were in the first place. You are talking a system that is on the average 30-45 astronomical units across. that is VERY large haystack to find a needle in... a needle that is, at best maybe 100m long. Either way, a counter to CovOps or Recon ships causing them to uncloak other than the CovOps or Recon pilot's own stupidity would render them moot and unusable. Please feel free to throw more sarcasm as a counter to my posts *Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.*
FFGR	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:50:00 - [21] tbh I say nerf the Scanner. Beeing able to detect scanner probes should never be able to be done. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Merin Ryskin	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:53:00 - [22] Originally by: FFGR tbh I say nerf the Scanner. Beeing able to detect scanner probes should never be able to be done. /signed If you're hiding at a safespot, the first sign you're being hunted should be the enemy fleet warping in on top of you. A Covert Ops ship shouldn't have to give away its presence to do its job.
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 20:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Ometoch Originally by: Bacchuss omg, you obviusly dont get it....just go back to your missions plz... If anything, what I don't get is why exactly that everyone thinks that EVERY thing in EVE needs a ship to counter it. Have you flown a Recon or Covert Ops??? I haven't either... but a corpmate of mine does. He has the most boring job in the world, but he is EXTREMELY valuable. His CovOps ship is made out of paper, and if he was ever detected. he'd die very quick. As for a way to detect them... again, as a previous post has stated, you would need to KNOW where they were in the first place. You are talking a system that is on the average 30-45 astronomical units across. that is VERY large haystack to find a needle in... a needle that is, at best maybe 100m long. Either way, a counter to CovOps or Recon ships causing them to uncloak other than the CovOps or Recon pilot's own stupidity would render them moot and unusable. Please feel free to throw more sarcasm as a counter to my posts lol. how the ** can you talk about cov op, when you havnt ever used it, and its not hard to find any1 in a system, so again, you have no idea what you talking about ********************************** "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:14:00 - [24] why is it too powerful? >_> Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Exavier Macbeth	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Bacchuss Originally by: Ometoch Originally by: Bacchuss omg, you obviusly dont get it....just go back to your missions plz... If anything, what I don't get is why exactly that everyone thinks that EVERY thing in EVE needs a ship to counter it. Have you flown a Recon or Covert Ops??? I haven't either... but a corpmate of mine does. He has the most boring job in the world, but he is EXTREMELY valuable. His CovOps ship is made out of paper, and if he was ever detected. he'd die very quick. As for a way to detect them... again, as a previous post has stated, you would need to KNOW where they were in the first place. You are talking a system that is on the average 30-45 astronomical units across. that is VERY large haystack to find a needle in... a needle that is, at best maybe 100m long. Either way, a counter to CovOps or Recon ships causing them to uncloak other than the CovOps or Recon pilot's own stupidity would render them moot and unusable. Please feel free to throw more sarcasm as a counter to my posts lol. how the **** can you talk about cov op, when you havnt ever used it, and its not hard to find any1 in a system, so again, you have no idea what you talking about Considering the fact that those of us who have flown it (me perticularly) haven't made any comments aginst what he said I would take it as a hint that he has a better understanding of them then you do :P The only real use for a cop-ops is making instas through 0.0 and spying on people. Or i nthe case why i am training my alt to use Recons (can already use them on this account) is so that he can use Cyno fields on it (when they fix that) and for the Webber range bonus on the minmatar one. He is going to be my escort for my main :P
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:25:00 - [26] Another pointless thread. It's like that guy that was screaming overpowered !! when i beat his cerb with a crystal set in me sac Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Lumel	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:38:00 - [27] I don't mind the general concept of a counter-module to cloaks, but this post seems to have been made in an exceedingly rediculous manner. Covops are overpowered? Or is it that cloaked ships gathering information is overpowered? Many ships can fit non-covops cloaks. Sure, you can't warp with one engaged, which limits your mobility in an actively hostile situation. But if you're already in place and cloaked, you can still gather information as well as a covops ship can. So my question to the OP is, what are you really crying out about here? Do you dislike cloaked information gatherers? Or do you really think that the covops specifics ships are overpowered, just because they can do the job they were designed for? --- Knowledge won't help us understand
Sebroth	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:42:00 - [28] Not sure if this is a good thing for me to tell everyone since Im a cov op pilot myself but here we go..... How to blow up a cov op ship!! You need you need 2 things - inderdictor - drones without offensive capabilitys like armor rep drones. Do you have this? Good. Now do this. - Move to a new system and wait at the gate. - Send you drone on your tacklers (those that will decloak the cov op ship). - Wait for the cov op pilot to jump in a let the interdictor pilot do his thing. - Now the tacklers only have to decloak him and this will not be to hard when they do have the help for the drones. - Kill cov op ship and its pilot. - Loot the 50m cloak. ----- Never knock on Death's door; ring the doorbell and run (he hates that)
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.31 21:47:00 - [29] omg whatever... ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
Blood Tooth	Posted - 2006.05.31 22:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Bacchuss omg whatever... Grab some lotion, and "special" magazine lock the door and do @#$%&$%^ ..trust me you feel better, quit stressing out and releave some stress oh and btw Force Recon Ship = main role ..TO SPY soo yea... uhm they do what they're suppose to do, quit crying.

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