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April Knox
Caldari Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.07.31 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: April Knox on 31/07/2006 00:48:57
Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
Now, obviously IRL democracy doesn't suck, I'd hate to live in a non-democratic society. But that's the problem - real life. Look at the Gallente government structure. Look at the kinds of issues the Federation faces, and I'm not even talking about the election debacle. Quite simply, I think the Gallente are too similar to our real lives for people to be interested in them much.
If there is a concept that defines the Gallente stereotype, I'll say it's postmodernism, and as such, of course, we find it too close to real life. The famous Jean-Frantois Lyotard : "Simplifying to the extreme, I define post-modern as incredulity towards metanarratives". I think defines perfectly what CCP intended for the Gallente, and the role-players you'll find in the federation perfectly fit in this scenario.
The Gallente will never experience a big driving force appealing to the masses, since it's by nature anti-authoritarian and individualistic, and instead you'll find what you'll see today: A collection of individuals or very small corporations with it's own very specific agenda.
The problem lies, in my humble opinion, in CCP's decision to create a post-modern (and as such, ahistorical) entity like the federation amidst other factions that behave in a very Historical way. Since postmodernism is a way of living when the conflict is inexistent (either by the vanishing of the enemy, or the encystment of conflict itself), the subtle shades that characterizes a post-modern way of life, get lost in the stark contrast of the Historical black and whites.
Now. What kind of small scale conflict should we expect to see inside the federation? A lot of small scale internecine conflicts: *** rights, ******* rights, Cultural separatism (And the intake separatism is I think, a prime example of a post-modern conflict), Drug legalization, Terrorism, Revisionism, Intellectual property rights, Psychotherapy, Ecology, etcetera, etceteraà Namely, all flavours of Activism.
But as small scale internecine conflicts, they are and will be invisible to inter-factional affairs. So, I guess, that's the fate of meaningful Gallente RP in this anachronistic scenario CCP has created.
EDIT: CCP Forum censored some words in the 4th paragraph: It should read "Ga y Rights, Lesbi an rights, etcetera...
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.16 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller Hmm. Am I correct in assuming that there ARE some folks out there who would like to be very much pro-Fed, but simply feel as though they lack a framework for it?
If true, I think I can go something of a ways to fixing that...
Yes definetly.
Although I rarely get to actually rp in this excellent game, and am part of a non-rp corp and alliance I still make jokes about the Caldari whining about their missiles/crying when I lose drones (rp ofc ) / scream blue murder at amarrians when I see them with slaves in their holds etc.
Hell I would love to rp a bit in the game but I want to stay with my corpmates so I could "tolerate" the enemies of democracy as and where appropriate.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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Sylan Taramire
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.17 21:02:00 -
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There are a few Gallente rp niches out there, if not many of them... the trick is to find them.
Take us, for exemple... the Phoenix Wing is a pro-fed RP corporation dedicated into defending the values so dear to the Federation - even out of Federal Law if necessary.
You can always join the Phoenixpublic channel to get in touch with us...
I do, however find somewhat disheartening that so little people do roleplay being a Gallente... I for one think the freedom and absence of canon for Gallente behavior is what makes them interesting to roleplay.
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Minikrimi Extreme
Caldari Kimotoro Privateers
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Posted - 2006.09.19 04:21:00 -
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Hmmm, you know this thread has really inspired me. I was going to be a solo warrior trying to stir up factional problems by wardecing Gallente-majority corps operating in high-sec Caldari space.
But now, I'm thinking that it might profit me more (in an rp way) to work in the other direction, recasting myself as a Federal Ultra-nationalist who is convinced that the Caldari Conservatives are planning pre-emptive strikes against the Federation. Which would make me a solo warrior looking to attack Caldari operating out of Gallente high-sec space.
Yes, the Serpentis hi-jinx involving Navy capital ships definitely point to a CONCORD conspiracy to undermine the Federation, obviously because they are the only ones they cannot control. Their blatant interference in Gallente politics has resulted in mass confusion and a stagnated bureaucracy unable to even come to grips with a simple election. Just as the Amarr are unable to rectify their problems due to similar interference,
All I have to do is either abandon a toon that is about to start a second Advanced Learning skill or write up a reason for such a switch. Guess which option I think I'll take
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:52:00 -
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What are peoples opinions on how factional warfare in the coming Kali patches might help bolsters the ingame mechanics relating to RP ?
Would more missions, storylines, NPC interaction and general relationship-with-Gallente-ingame infrastructure help the RP issues? ____________________ MOGarmy
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Sylan Taramire
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.21 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaiu What are peoples opinions on how factional warfare in the coming Kali patches might help bolsters the ingame mechanics relating to RP ?
Would more missions, storylines, NPC interaction and general relationship-with-Gallente-ingame infrastructure help the RP issues?
It might give people more things to base their RP on, which is one thing lacking on the Gallente side... but I don't think it's going to help roleplay in and of itself... At some point, it may even have the opposite effect, as many people will be busy doing missions and stuff and won't roleplay...
We can hope, though.
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Sintasi
Kokyu Trust Fund
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Posted - 2006.09.25 08:04:00 -
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I found a very nice niche with the help of Leon, by the by. The Jin-Mei struck me as very chinese, so I looked up some ultranationalistic crime syndicates that still retain some credibility inside the law. Tadaa. The Triads.
I formed a corp based on that idea. Ultranationalistic, Xenophobic and while I'm not hoping to start a paramilitary, not afraid to make someones day miserable through blackmail, economics and such.
The Kokyu Trust Fund. Leon could tell you what the other lettering means. Go Blaque, kick out the illegal immigrants, do something for the Federation. ___________________________
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Cipher7
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2006.09.25 11:40:00 -
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The Federation and the Caldari are engaged in a Cold War. They send forces to aid their allies in Proxy War between the Amarr Empire and the Minmatar Republic.
The RP conflict over slavery IS the main RP conflict for all 4 powers.
Animosity for the sake of animosity is boring.
"We're Gallente and we hate Caldari because...er...because they're our enemies."
Boooooring.
There's no story there.
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Drakolus
Amarr Free Industries Union
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:04:00 -
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Even though I am an Amarrian who fights against slavery (reverse cliche?) I have a few ideas if I may...
1. Democracies tend to be very open and liberal in the beginning but over time more and more freedoms are restricted or limited due to the desire of the populace for "security". A smaller Galante RP group could play a splinter faction fighting against these limitations.
2. Democracies have shown and are in the process of showing that they believe Democracy is the way of the future. Imagine an RP corp trying to bring "enlightened governance" to the masses...whether they want it or not.
3. Peacekeepers. A corp/alliance so fed up with the continual bickering and border skirmishes between Amarr and Minnies steps in to "keep the peace." (It's going to be a tough sell since you are going to be one HUGE target).
4. The west in general seems to love our rascally rogues. The ones who continually snub big bad government and get away with doing what they please when they please. Perhaps a group that specializes in living the Galante life the way everyone envisions it...and not having to answer to the government for it. (Avoiding taxes, border patrols, poking Caldari military bases during sensitive government negotiations and such)
5. Finally (yes this is a low blow) you could always do the "You have xxx resource in your territory. The Federation needs that resource...regime change!"
Just a few ideas, Just don't hang me if you don't agree or if you think they suck.
Molden Heath Local #473 |
Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:41:00 -
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I wonder if its not the case that there are allot of Gallente Rp'ers out there, but given Gallente nature there all doing ther own thing in their own way. Being a Gallente seems to lead to a de-centralised style of play, or at least from what I have seen so far, after all if I wanted to play a 'duty and honour above all' character, would I have not played a Caldari?
Drakolus made some good sugestions about ideas for a Gallente group, after all, why does a Gallente PR group have to stay in Fed space? isnt it a part of being Gallente to help others out because you have the fredom to do so? you dont have to go shooting up other empires navys (much ), a group could easly as be about providing humaniterian effots as anything else, im sure 'rats will provide the fun
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:30:00 -
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The problem with Gallente RP is assuming it has to have Caldari or Amarrian-like paramilitarism to be successful. As many have indicated in previous posts, the greatest obstacle in a free society is unifying on anything, and one of the greatest untapped avenues is internal politics within the Federation itself. Sure, I think most can unify on particular issues like the Reschard disaster, but with polarizing events like the Federation elections(charismatic Intaki moderate vs militant isolationist gallentean), I think its an unreasonable expectation to make.
I think alot of the thought process comes from a WoW mindset where there's the Alliance(gallente/minmatar) versus the Horde(amarr/caldari) and that they are supposed to hate one another, period. There is tremendous potential for much more than this and I think reducing Gallente RP to mere nationalist paramilitarism gives existing rp corporations very little credit.
There are plenty of Gallente/Federation corporations out there that encompass a wide scale of playstyles. If anyone is interested in pursuing this avenue, don't hesitate to send questions my way ingame via eve-mail and I'll point you in their direction.
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The problem with Gallente RP is assuming it has to have Caldari or Amarrian-like paramilitarism to be successful.
Still, it would be nice to have a competent group of pilots to fill the paramilitary pro-Fed role, don't you think? It doesn't have to encompass all of Gallente RP by any means - just exist. |
Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wanoah
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The problem with Gallente RP is assuming it has to have Caldari or Amarrian-like paramilitarism to be successful.
Still, it would be nice to have a competent group of pilots to fill the paramilitary pro-Fed role, don't you think? It doesn't have to encompass all of Gallente RP by any means - just exist.
There are. I have no idea about the competent part, but they're out there.
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Jack Malus
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.28 18:23:00 -
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Agreed it can be tricky to find a RP foundation that's easy to mentally latch onto in the Pro-Fed arena. But not impossible.
Another thing I want to add is that searching out a Pro-Fed RP corp can be difficult, at least it was for me when I began looking a few months ago. I just didn't see the same level of recruitment going on that I see with other factions.
Also I would like to see is more aggression from Pro-Fed RP corps. Less tolerance of the other factions.
We always seem to be on the defensive and taking the high ground on all the issues and only fight when enemy fleets arrive on our doorstep. Perhaps a highly visible campaign would be just what the doctor ordered, even if we get creamed by the opposition.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 05/10/2006 07:16:12 I make sure it stays alive, even in the school channel and in my everyday actions.. I speak about my drones in a rather.. ahem.. posessive manner, with a few off-color jokes now and again for flavor. I denounce the traiterous caldari and hideous amarr while keeping guarded optimism for our Min' friends (sure, they had a hard time and seem a bit rough, but they are coming a long way, so we must be there for them)
Perhaps im not as active in the entire Fed'RP situation due to my choice of employment as an instructor here at the Center, but if I can print some of the atmosphere on new players (even if I cant snare them all in my drone-love) and make sure they understand the Depth of whats out here, then I can at least tell myself Im making things a little better.
Center For Advanced Studies Drone Research and Enhancement Dept |
dennyreborn
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Posted - 2006.10.12 04:42:00 -
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there isnt a lack of Gal or caldari RP. jsut those twor aces are set up to RP differntly then the minmatar and amarr.
Caldari are what basicly there to make money lawfully or otherwise. they deont belive they have to join caldari only corps to make money and in fact they often lead up multi ethnic ones. i know for the longest time caldari seconded by minmatar were the most common pirates in game.
Gal are supposed to be indivuals and always question thios that and the other. bascily what would have happened if hippies ruled the world. a Pro federation movement??? Why ? is anyone trying to bring down the federation? is 1/3 of the gallente enslaved ? the reason you ahve a hard time figureing out what it means to be a pro federation. 1 gal would say burning the gallente flag is the ultimate symbol of free speech and patriotism... the others will say it is unpatriotic.
to be honest the best they could do to improve gallente RP is to bring dividing issues to the fore front. aka make a vietnam. A longer draw out issue that would devivd society either maong the hawks and the doves or among the liberals and conservatives (the issue needs to be bigger thne a few dozen megatrons with blasters can go solve.
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Sylan Taramire
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.13 16:31:00 -
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There ARE dividing issues in the Federation.
The Intaki seperatists, the presidential elections, the tension with the Caldari, our duties toward the Matari, the keeping of order in Placid vs the Intaki's desire for the Navy to stay out of Placid...
Those are only some of the possible rp subjects.
The Gallente isn't short on things to rp about, beleive me.
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Steph Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.16 05:41:00 -
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Admittedly I'm not much into the roleplaying scene (though I would be if there were more Gallente), but if I were to roleplay I'd probably end up with a Mal Reynolds-type character, one who cherishes his own personal freedom and scowls every time the government takes a step towards "his" sky.
As an aside, it might be interesting to roleplay a Gallente champion of personal freedom taken to its logical extreme; an anarchist.
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.10.16 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing Admittedly I'm not much into the roleplaying scene (though I would be if there were more Gallente), but if I were to roleplay I'd probably end up with a Mal Reynolds-type character, one who cherishes his own personal freedom and scowls every time the government takes a step towards "his" sky.
As an aside, it might be interesting to roleplay a Gallente champion of personal freedom taken to its logical extreme; an anarchist.
For anarchy, you might like to look in the direction of Jericho Fraction. I know they don't call themselves anarchists, but their ideals match pretty closely with the concept of anarchy from my point of view. |
Na'tel Treel
Gallente Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.10.20 05:53:00 -
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I've always thought that a Black Bloc would be a fitting group, although applying a Black Bloc to eve is somewhat difficult. It wouldn't really make sense to have a corp with that name, and not even really an alliance.
Mario Kart DS friend code:489.688.633.067 |
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Jahdo Rinan
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Posted - 2006.10.26 03:26:00 -
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I'm thinking one of the reasons that there is so little Gallente RP is because there is no real reason for conflict with the Caldari. Except for their home planet the Caldari just want independence and lots of ISK, most Gallente care more about their personal comfort and happiness than some old broken loyalty with the Caldari.
Suggestions:
If the Federation became more militaristic, began to feel constricted by the other Empires surrounding it, and started to see Caldari space as legally and rightfully theirs. After all the Caldari are SUPPOSED to be part of the Federation right?
Work on this from the other side as well. Give the Caldari more reason to hate the Gallente. Perhaps there are still Caldari families that chose to stay on the home planet (or were left behind) that are now treated poorly. Maybe the Gallente are using the Caldari home planet as a galactic trash dump for used holoreels?
Conflict creates action in every MMORPG I've ever played in.
Even though I play a Minmatar character I do feel the slavery/religion conflict is a little rehearsed and done, especially the way the world is today. I'd look forward to more futuristic reasons and settings for wars.
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Selenna Corvinnus
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Posted - 2006.10.26 04:27:00 -
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Solution to Gallente RP is easy. Find enough people of a like mind and do the following.
Build up the corporation's industrial and military strenght.
Then go find where people are fighting each other in busy areas and play the peace maker, make every stop and talk things out.
Voila problem solved. If you have to, step on some toes to get there
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.26 19:59:00 -
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Iv come to notice something, and perhaps its because im new so have seen this as one go, rather than over a long period of time in small doses, but does it seem that the Federation is the losing end of the RPing? There seems to be a large volume of posts attacking the federation, and saying how corrupt or foolish it is. While this kind of RPing can work, its all that seems to go on, I can see why people could get fed up and go play a Mimi for example. After all, you get to free slaves, fight an evil empire, do character development, and no one bothers you on the boards. Perhaps its because im only new and so havenÆt seen Fed RP at another time, but ATM I seem to be spending all my game down time in arguments about the Federation and none on character development, after all Dejhon is more than someone who argues to me and PR wise exploring other avenues is half the fun of playing Eve in an RP fashion. I do concede that I may be wrong in this, and I also suspect that all the 3 other empires may have the same or similar problems, but it just seems worse for the Fed is all.
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Tsutara Nisukira
Akiyo Do Ryn
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:32:00 -
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After a little reading between the lines seems to me that the Blaque is based loosely on the RL personas of ****** and Mussolini. That leads me to believe that the Federation might become something like **** Germany, or at least France during the German occupation, once Blaque has built up a strong enough power base after the election, I.E once fractional warfare is introduced and he has the Caldari boogieman to scare the people into submission.
If this true, then erstwhile Gallente RPers have the option of becoming either playing as a Blaque supporter who believes that Gallenteans are the true champions of democracy, that the federation should be governed solely by the great and generous Gallenteans.
Or a freedom fighter fighting to free the people from a tyrannical facist government and restore democracy.
ôPeople, Ideas, and Hardware. In that order!" |
Tsutara Nisukira
Akiyo Do Ryn
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Posted - 2006.10.26 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle The problem with Gallente RP is assuming it has to have Caldari or Amarrian-like paramilitarism to be successful. As many have indicated in previous posts, the greatest obstacle in a free society is unifying on anything, and one of the greatest untapped avenues is internal politics within the Federation itself. Sure, I think most can unify on particular issues like the Reschard disaster, but with polarizing events like the Federation elections(charismatic Intaki moderate vs militant isolationist gallentean), I think its an unreasonable expectation to make.
I think alot of the thought process comes from a WoW mindset where there's the Alliance(gallente/minmatar) versus the Horde(amarr/caldari) and that they are supposed to hate one another, period. There is tremendous potential for much more than this and I think reducing Gallente RP to mere nationalist paramilitarism gives existing rp corporations very little credit.
There are plenty of Gallente/Federation corporations out there that encompass a wide scale of playstyles. If anyone is interested in pursuing this avenue, don't hesitate to send questions my way ingame via eve-mail and I'll point you in their direction.
I like this idea very much and IÆve admired the Glamour SyndicateÆs uniqueness, and wish that were more groups like yours.
P.S I think this would be more accurate - Alliance(amarr/caldari) versus the Horde(gallente/minmatar)
ôPeople, Ideas, and Hardware. In that order!" |
SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tsutara Nisukira After a little reading between the lines seems to me that the Blaque is based loosely on the RL personas of ****** and Mussolini. That leads me to believe that the Federation might become something like **** Germany, or at least France during the German occupation, once Blaque has built up a strong enough power base after the election, I.E once fractional warfare is introduced and he has the Caldari boogieman to scare the people into submission.
If this true, then erstwhile Gallente RPers have the option of becoming either playing as a Blaque supporter who believes that Gallenteans are the true champions of democracy, that the federation should be governed solely by the great and generous Gallenteans.
Or a freedom fighter fighting to free the people from a tyrannical facist government and restore democracy.
Blaque doesn't go quite that far, I think. Whenever I've had the honor of writing official stories involving the Ultra-Nationalists (happened a few times nowm although the most elaborate stuff on the U-Nats wasn't included in E-ON and may appear on the website), I've always tried to portray them as being motivated far more by actual love of country than by Facist lust-for-power.
Still, I for one DO look forward to Blaque-as-President. The divides created over his Presidency will, at the very least, help motivate folks roleplay-wise. --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
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Natalcya Katla
Rancid Core
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Posted - 2006.10.27 17:46:00 -
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For my part, I think there is a little too much focus on the Federation as being a Democracy, and a little too little focus on it being an Empire. Because I think it could be both, and focusing more on the Empire part could make it a bit more sinister, and in my opinion, a lot more intriguing.
Forget about hippies, welfare programs and individual freedom for a second. Forget about "Give me liberty, or give me death!", and "They'll never take our freedom!". Forget about unemployment, drug abuse and adult entertainment. Sure, they're all there, but take the focus off that. Just for a second.
I want to see a wealthy and privileged elite. I want to see social networks, gentlemen's clubs, wine, cigars and backroom agreements. I want to see old family businesses, trade cartels and merchant tycoons being the real power behind the government.
Most of all, I want to see colonies. Not the "settlement of brave pioneers in the Great Unknown" kind of colonies. No, old-school colonies: Worlds far away from the Federation's core, where the aforementioned trade cartels and merchant tycoons are given a very loose framework on how to conduct business, as long as they keep the flow of of resources going at a steady pace to the core systems of the Federation, all the while preaching that they spread the light of democracy and freedom.
I want to see ruthless recruiters for colonial employment prowling the employment centers, shelters and spaceports. I want to see desperate people signing years of their life away for the lofty promise of "prosperity among the stars". I want to see confused Matari immigrants being manipulated or even press-ganged into these kinds of employment programs.
And I want to see a Foreign Legion, with the mandate of "keeping peace" in the colonies, and prevent "terrorists", "insurgents", "local warlords" and "bandits" from harming the economical assets of the Federation.
I want to see a bread-and-circus doctrine in the core systems of the Federation, designed to keep the citizens there sufficiently fed, clothed and happy, while the merchant elite above them continue to line their pockets with the profits they reap from their colonial enterprises.
And I want to see pod pilots among this elite, either as entrepreneurs themselves or as "private companies" hired with specific tasks in mind. Everything from spearheading industrial operations to keeping the spacelanes free of criminals or dissidents, or even to directly "regulate trade" by controlling who can and who can't operate in a given system or constellation.
That's what I want to see. I don't think it would require a lot of tweaking.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:44:00 -
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That's what 0.0 is for Nat. Go make it happen!
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Natalcya Katla
That's what I want to see. I don't think it would require a lot of tweaking.
You mean the British Empire in space? Actually having the Fed go along the lines of the way Brittan did 1860-1910 would be interesting. Contree to popular belief Brittan was quite democratic for her time, and it wouldnÆt be hard to draw parallels between the Federation and the British Empire and have the Federation take a more Imperialistic line, especially given her position in Eve, with hostil forces on her borders, and the need to expand to safe guard agenst them.
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Natalcya Katla
Rancid Core
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:03:00 -
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Oh, I see no reason why most of those colonies couldn't exist in Federation space proper. In fact, I think most of them should, since the Federation would have an interest in maintaining a formal sovereignty over them.
And me in 0.0, Kaleigh? Didn't anybody tell you I'm a coward?
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