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Love Heater
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:05:00 -
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I was reading the post on why EVE is not more popular, and its is the PVE side. PVE should be easy because you spend days, months, years making ISK in it and loosing that in minutes during PVP. PVP is always on in EVE and that deters a lot of new players, they just wanna horde ISK and ships untill they get the skills to fly them correctly. I think that one way to make PVE's AI more realistic is to put real players in the ships. This is my idea, every mission level gives you a ship that corresponds with the difficulty of that mission for example level one mission a give a universal frigate. But here is the catch everyone will fly the frigate with the same skill level no 2006 player against 2014 player bias. The distribution of these ships can be award for staring at an asteroid or killing red crosses. It would be something PVE players can get exited for. The ship should not be transferable in any way no contracts no market. One ship at a time so if you have one, no mater the level you cant get another till you loose the first one. Players can even make their own missions with them yes example: 5 pilots set up a X amount of isk reward for killing them in level one ffigates or achieving a goalt. Pilots select the goal, the amount of opponents, and reward add the mission to the mission available and there you go. PVE in EVE is boring but with this idea you can give everyone a fighting chance as they join EVE for the first time. It would also promote PVP and PVE. By adding equality in skill and hardware ( ship and guns skill and type) for this moment, would give EVE that one push it need to make PVE to PVP a transition for new and old players alike. I have more ideas on this and would like to be given feed back by both players and CCP. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:11:00 -
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Enter is that bigger key on your keyboard usually under Backspace and over right Shift. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:12:00 -
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bookmarking this thread just because i might need a wall to bang my head against later. |
Love Heater
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:16:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:bookmarking this thread just because i might need a wall to bang my head against later. let me know what you think is wrong with the idea not just some comment that gives no real feed back.
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Lila Merle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:16:00 -
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I think posts like this are meant to go in Features and Ideas.
I read it and it sound too much like those other MMOs |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:19:00 -
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Love Heater wrote:Dave Stark wrote:bookmarking this thread just because i might need a wall to bang my head against later. let me know what you think is wrong with the idea not just some comment that gives no real feed back. the first problem is that it's unreadable due to it's poor formatting. |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:23:00 -
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Love Heater wrote:Dave Stark wrote:bookmarking this thread just because i might need a wall to bang my head against later. let me know what you think is wrong with the idea not just some comment that gives no real feed back. Basically all of it is wrong Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:31:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Love Heater wrote:Dave Stark wrote:bookmarking this thread just because i might need a wall to bang my head against later. let me know what you think is wrong with the idea not just some comment that gives no real feed back. Basically all of it is wrong Then it's in GD, where good and mostly bad ideas come to die. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:31:00 -
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Love Heater wrote:I was reading the post on why EVE is not more popular, and its is the PVE side. PVE should be easy because you spend days, months, years making ISK in it and loosing that in minutes during PVP. PVP is always on in EVE and that deters a lot of new players, they just wanna horde ISK and ships untill they get the skills to fly them correctly. I think that one way to make PVE's AI more realistic is to put real players in the ships.
You just turned "PVE" into "PVP with this ...
Quote:This is my idea, every mission level gives you a ship that corresponds with the difficulty of that mission for example level one mission a give a universal frigate. But here is the catch everyone will fly the frigate with the same skill level no 2006 player against 2014 player bias.
The "bias" is only in your head. With 1.75 million SP (or thereabouts), you can have all the relevant skills to fly a frigate at L4 (of course, barring me being dumb and missing something). A fresh-out-of-the-character-generator rookie will take up to 40 days to train this, unless they use that newbie booster thing.
Max skills will take about a year, and will ONLY give you an additional 2% here, or 4% there. These are small enough benefits that they can be overcome by simply being better at flying than the other guy.
Quote: (more wall that I'm too lazy to cut apart).
Or, people just grab frigates (which are cheap) and go shoot someone in the face until they figure the "PVP thing" out. As with nearly everything, this is made easier when you get some friends. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Sibyyl
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:32:00 -
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OP, the real beauty of EVE is not in the 1s and 0s stored on Tranqulity that constitute a "pilot", but the player who is flying the ship. There are certain hard realities, such as you probably won't be able to assassinate The Mittani on the second day you play EVE but you have no good reason for not putting up a good fight wherever you go.
A good fight just means you tried your best, keep your mind open to learning from your mistakes, and pick yourself up from your losses to go at it again. Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI |
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Love Heater
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:33:00 -
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English is my second language and only been writing it for 3 years so i'm sorry for the bad grammar. I am not here to frustrate anyone. If i cant post an idea without someone trying to show how smart they are by posting negative comments then maybe this game has a bigger flaw.
I was merely trying to give and idea on how to make EVE better.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:36:00 -
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Sorry, but you are looking for Ideas & Features forum for your idea
And issues with PvE have already been discussed at length in at least one other thread.
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:36:00 -
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Love Heater wrote: I was merely trying to give and idea on how to make EVE better.
The thing is that it wont make eve better. |
Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:39:00 -
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This is not wow... Stop trying to change it to wow pls. Also wall of text!!!!
Nothing should be untradeable. If these universal ships you are talking about are equal in all stats and skills, wont combat then just be about firering the first shot first? Horrible idea/wall of text in wrong forum... |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:43:00 -
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Grammar is not a problem, problem is making my eyes bleed due to lack of ANY formatting.
Also, I cannot take seriously ideas of somebody using not even 2 months old character to post them. Whatever that ideas supposed to solve or help with I won't listen because either you lack of balls to post with your main or you have no idea about the game hence your solutions are worthless. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:46:00 -
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Love Heater wrote:English is my second language and only been writing it for 3 years so i'm sorry for the bad grammar. I am not here to frustrate anyone. If i cant post an idea without someone trying to show how smart they are by posting negative comments then maybe this game has a bigger flaw.
If you're incapable of taking criticism then the flaw does not lie with the game. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.05.20 10:53:00 -
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Love Heater wrote:English is my second language and only been writing it for 3 years so i'm sorry for the bad grammar. I am not here to frustrate anyone. If i cant post an idea without someone trying to show how smart they are by posting negative comments then maybe this game has a bigger flaw.
I was merely trying to give and idea on how to make EVE better.
You made a suggestion, a bad one at that, did you expect nobody to tell you it was a bad idea, did you expect people to pat you on the back for making a bad suggestion?
Well guess what its not going to happen :P |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.05.20 11:11:00 -
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Love Heater wrote: PVE should be easy because you spend days, months, years making ISK in it and loosing that in minutes during PVP. That's as far as I could read, the great wall of text makes my eyes bleed. Seriously, that's painful stuff to try to read. Poor etiquette.
Anyway, you don't pvp, do you? But you play EVE, right? Well... #1 Never ever fly what you cannot afford to lose. No one loses everything by losing their ship unless they are reckless players and maybe better off playing the My Little Pony Online MMO.
There is nothing inherently wrong with EVE as that other thread seems to think which you referenced, PvP and PvE are just fine. And we already discussed this in that thread, so why again? Wear us down on the subject? But just the same, PvE is already easy enough and does not need to be any easier, not more of an ISK faucet as it already is.
EVE is quite popular already, enough to be about the only MMO to consistently increase in paying subs the length of it's run, thus far (yes PLEX counts since someone pays). Doesn't need to be f2p, p2w, newbified nor simplified. Dumbed down games are for dumbed down players and often wanting free gaming to bounce from game to game in most cases. In fact in many cases, those "popular" games smudge their player statistics to make them look more popular than they are. You are buying into the sales pitch.
Lastly, notice how other people post, with nice short paragraph formats, easy to read and understand point by point.
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Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1941
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Posted - 2014.05.20 11:55:00 -
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No need to keep harping on the "wall of text" issue. In fact the OP had that edited even before I first read the thread and had nice readable paragraphs.
As for the idea presented (you've removed it by now, so I'm trying to give my opinion on what I remember):
Giving players "unified" ships, where everything is equal, and also making skills irrelevant by giving everyone the same bonuses, is not something I'd like, not even in parts of the game.
Seeing the decisions you've made about planning your skills pay off, and your decisions how to fit your ship, and where to fly and which fight to pick etc.. these are all essential to Eve as I understand it. Some of these decisions are made for me when flying in a fleet with my corp, such as fitting, and which fights to take on (and even here I could try to come up with new fits which work well and convince my corpmates it's worth making fleets with them). It's nevertheless much more satisfying for me to be part of a group of people making the best of a wide freedom of choice than using "unified ships and skills". And that's me being a newbie, thus allegedly among the people profiting from the suggested change
Why not even for part of the game? Because that's another point I think is important in Eve: The consistent, one Universe. No cop-outs, you got to live with what you got and come up with ways to do what you want under these constraints. That's the challenge and the fun, imo. |
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