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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3429
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:50:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:It was no scam. It was a single run BPC at a single-run BPC price. Obviously I clicked on the "wrong" click linking to what a bloody BPO can achieve - why the bloody hell do I wanna know what the original BPO (which is not being sold in this contract) can achieve?? So you lost nothing, and you are freaking out about it?
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:I don't bloody care what the freakin' BPO can achieve!! All I wanna know is how many runs this BPC can run and YES, I made a tiny mistake in using the Show Info as a guide to this partiicular BPC, which as you said, it was not. Yes, you don't bloody care. You. Some of us do care, which is why both sets of information are available.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:So again, why do CCP think this is a good system to leave like that? I believe it is unnecessary and adds a complication that many will not get fooled by, but some people will. Do I think it's important that they leave in the ability to look at the raw blueprint information as well as the specific BPC information from a contract? Yes I most certainly do. If they didn;t, rather than just being able to grab both sets of information with 2 different methods. If they made it so we can only get the BPC info, we'd have to go elsewhere to get the BPO info.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from. Or your parents could make a patch where they add a few extra IQ points to your genepool. That way, when you are in a position to lose a meaningful amount of isk, you can avoid the dumb mistake and we can be spared yet another rage filled thread where it's all CCPs fault for not catering to your exact specific needs. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
626
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:53:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:With all the patches and fantastical plans for expansions and mega-changes Eve has one of the dumbest things still operating to make a capsuleer's life a confusing misery. Take a look at this Blueprint Copy https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97960240/ExeFile%202014-05-20%2015-17-20-95.jpg
You can cleary read "Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy 15. NOPE! When I tried to make 2 runs the lab refused saying, "You can only make 1 run per copy". So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because CCP haven't bothered to change the meaningful info in the description of certain items??? I don't think there is anything more stupid in this nice game of Eve and CCP really should add a patch NOW to tell people the useful info not bloody useless info about the max runs which it COULD achieve but HASN'T! What a crock! You are not the first person to get caught by this. I will bet you wont be the last. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3429
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Posted - 2014.05.20 15:56:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: Double click the contract. Actually open the contract so you are looking at the specific BPC and not the header for the contract.
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Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
688
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:00:00 -
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Here Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:03:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:[Do I think it's important that they leave in the ability to look at the raw blueprint information as well as the specific BPC information from a contract? Yes I most certainly do. If they didn;t, rather than just being able to grab both sets of information with 2 different methods. If they made it so we can only get the BPC info, we'd have to go elsewhere to get the BPO info. Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Make a patch that when you use the Show Info on a BPC it actually shows the bloody info on THAT BPC and not the BPO it came from. Or your parents could make a patch where they add a few extra IQ points to your genepool. That way, when you are in a position to lose a meaningful amount of isk, you can avoid the dumb mistake and we can be spared yet another rage filled thread where it's all CCPs fault for not catering to your exact specific needs.
Ok wiseass! Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract.
I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut.
All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible.
Fair enough!?!?
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:05:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:HereWhen you click info, it show you the basic blueprint. This is so people can see the base amount of minerals on it, base production time etc etc etc. Edit: Pro MS Paint skills right there! 
Look how tiny that IMPORTANT information is. And as I said I used the Show Info button which gave me misleading stats.
Surely this can be improved?? |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
689
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:06:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract.
I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut.
All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible.
Fair enough!?!?
What are you going on about? Clicking the show info doesn't show a Blueprint Original. BPO's show on it "Blueprint Original". What you have got is the Hardcopy base rate BPC (Blueprint copy) as I have stated to you (and others too) many times during this thread.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Seraph Essael wrote:HereWhen you click info, it show you the basic blueprint. This is so people can see the base amount of minerals on it, base production time etc etc etc. Edit: Pro MS Paint skills right there!  Look how tiny that IMPORTANT information is. And as I said I used the Show Info button which gave me misleading stats. Surely this can be improved?? Tiny, dude its right there in grey and white... You need to read it thoroughly. Just don't make the same mistake again. All the information is right there on the contract for you to see. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4457
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:09:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:geeks like you
Oh mercy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlmeHeYokU
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3431
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:17:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Ok wiseass! Make a patch to write in the description (refers to Blueprint Original) or words to that effect, so that geeks like you can find out how many copies of a Blueprint you can make from an original, NOT the relevant info the purchaser of this contract wanted when they quickly used the Show Info button rather than clicking through the contract and then checking the details of said contract. Or... they can leave it as is. It's pretty clear that the show info is showing you an original and not the copy, i mean it doesn't say "Blueprint Copy" at the top like copies do, it's a different colour icon and it has no licensed runs listed. If they said "original" that would be lying too, since you aren't looking at the original, you are looking at that blueprint type, not that blueprint item.
And the info that window provides isn't just the max number of runs. Learn a bit about industry and you'll realise why it's useful on many occasions to know type info.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:I said I made a tiny (yes tiny) mistake, due to the fact I was playing on and off and used a shortcut. yup, you did, and that was fine and if that's where it ended, that would have been that. But it didn't. You cam on the forums yelling about how this was the stupidest thing ever and telling us why it must be changed.
Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:All I'm saying is CCP can make the game clearer without upsetting the geeks who wanna know all the bloody info of a BPO, while the people who wanna just get up to speed quickly get the actual relevant info as quickly as possible. It's clear enough. If you open the contract the information is there. It's not provided in the header since that is telling you the type, not the item (see above). Why don't you just learn from this and not take a shortcut that doesn't exist?
Just for the record, in the context of industry, the "stupidest thing" is the material amounts when running a blueprint with materials that appear in both regular materials and extra materials on a character with less that max material efficiency skills. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1898
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:21:00 -
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To be fair to the OP, there really is no reason that the "Max Run" portion to even be on copies, since it is for all intensive purposes meaningless and just leads to confusion. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:21:00 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Clicking the show info doesn't show a Blueprint Original. BPO's show on it "Blueprint Original". What you have got is the Hardcopy base rate BPC (Blueprint copy) as I have stated to you (and others too) many times during this thread.
BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3431
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:23:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:To be fair to the OP, there really is no reason for the "Max Run" portion to even be on copies, since it is for all intensive purposes meaningless and just leads to confusion. It's not on the copy. It's on the type info, and it should be there. Notice how there's no line in his screenshot at the top that says Blueprint Copy or Blueprint Original, and both the ML and PL are zero. It's because it's the type, not the item.
That does make me wonder why the OP didn't check the ML and PL before buying it either. Or were you actually aiming to buy an unresearched 15 run copy? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2743
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:25:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote: intensive purposes
Are they really that intensive? Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22071
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:25:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer. It really isn''t. It says how many you can make right in the contract, and it says so again right on the first page of the info sheet. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:27:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer.
Completely different actually. Ones a blue print original for a start. The other is the information type etc etc.
The information regarding the amount of runs, its ME and its LE is already on the contract right above the 'Accept' button, nicely in plain sight. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Markus45
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:28:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because...
....because you are foolish? Yes. Personal insults are against the EULA. I have petitioned you for your infraction. Children's books in my day. Children's books today. |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:29:00 -
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I was in a hurry, just bought a BPC, to make a Battlecruiser. Haven't really gone into the details of how the super-duper,100% efficient, zero-waste method of using these bloody BPCs is supposed to be.
No harm done, just saying.... |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4459
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:30:00 -
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Markus45 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because...
....because you are foolish? Yes. Personal insults are against the EULA. I have petitioned you for your infraction. It wasnt a personal insult. It was a perfectly obvious fact.
Trolling is against the EULA. I have petitioned you for your infraction.
Go away, silly sebiestor "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:32:00 -
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Markus45 wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So have I paid over-the-odds for a single run BPC masquerading as a 15 run BPC because...
....because you are foolish? Yes. Personal insults are against the EULA. I have petitioned you for your infraction. Oh god, I get a feeling he's going to do this on every thread that he deems has a personal attack... And better yet, he's so polite telling them he has done it. Oh aren't you just adorable *pinches cheek* Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
692
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:33:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:I was in a hurry, just bought a BPC, to make a Battlecruiser. Haven't really gone into the details of how the super-duper,100% efficient, zero-waste method of using these bloody BPCs is supposed to be. How reckless of me!
No harm done, just saying.... I wasn't having a go bud, I was trying to help you understand where you have gone wrong so you don't make the same mistake again...
Always, always, tripple check the contract... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
25
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:34:00 -
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The OP is correct. This thread is the stupidest thing in Eve general Discussion I have ever read.
One thing to say to you to avoid contract mishaps -
Learn
To
Read
All
of
The
Things |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer. It really isn''t. It says how many you can make right in the contract, and it says so again right on the first page of the info sheet. So it's NOT saying I can make 15 BPCs from this particular BPC, which came from a BPC Hardcopy, which came from a BPO, which came from a freakin' lab, ad nauseum.
Yeesh! See what I mean about CCP making the game complicated??!! |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3432
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:37:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Tippia wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer. It really isn''t. It says how many you can make right in the contract, and it says so again right on the first page of the info sheet. So it's NOT saying I can make 15 BPCs from this particular BPC, which came from a BPC Hardcopy, which came from a BPO, which came from a freakin' lab, ad nauseum. Yeesh! See what I mean about CCP making the game complicated??!! Well that's you making it complicated, not CCP.
Right click contract header - Blueprint Type Info (no line at the top saying copy or original, no researched stats).
Go into the contract - blueprint you are buying. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1333
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
came expecting Dinsdale or James 315 flaming
left disappointed |

Elmonky
Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium
26
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:40:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:Tippia wrote:Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:BPO, BPC Hardcopy, whatever, same difference. I see it's saying the BPC can be copied 15 times which maybe is needed, but the nuts & bolts is how many runs of making an Oracle which is misleading, at least in my opinion it should be made clearer. It really isn''t. It says how many you can make right in the contract, and it says so again right on the first page of the info sheet. So it's NOT saying I can make 15 BPCs from this particular BPC, which came from a BPC Hardcopy, which came from a BPO, which came from a freakin' lab, ad nauseum. Yeesh! See what I mean about CCP making the game complicated??!!
On one respect the seller is creating a very simple scam/business opportunity. They sell you a copy of a blueprint that's either super hard to find or too expensive for normal BPO purchase.
They then stick a fairly expensive price tag on it in the hope someone will not read the full contract and BPC.
Copies of BPs sometimes take a LONG time. Sometimes the copy has been used and resold until only one run remains. Its upto you to learn the difference.
Honestly : make a habit of checking the No of REMAINING runs when buying. it becomes so simple you will laugh at yourself for making this thread. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
577
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:40:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote: So it's NOT saying I can make 15 BPCs from this particular BPC,
That's not the show-info for a BPC, which should be obvious from (if nothing else) the dark blue "BPO" hue of the icon, therefore the rest of this...
Quote:which came from a BPC Hardcopy, which came from a BPO, which came from a freakin' lab, ad nauseum.
...isn't really applicable.
It's the show-info for the generic BPO of that type, which shows the max number of runs that could be placed on a BPC of that type, were one to copy it. |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:44:00 -
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So the message is;
"Do things the right way and there will be no problems. Do things not exactly the right way and you will receive mis-information freely from CCP Enterprises Incorporated"
If they have an elevator and everyone stands in the centre you can never get your clothes caught, but if you have the wrong standing position or wearing a long dress, you could get your clothes caught and DIE, because CCP designed this elevator and have made no contingencies for anyone not using the apparatus perfectly.
'Nuff said! |

Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
666
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:45:00 -
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Why is it that every time a forum post contains CAPS, sensationalist titles, must reads, and exclamation points, within the first handful of posts after the rage it is revealed that the OP is in fact wrong, at fault and is either unobservant and ignorant or rather perceptive and is simply trolling? |

Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
693
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:47:00 -
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Orion Hellscream Chanlin wrote:So the message is;
"Do things the right way and there will be no problems. Do things not exactly the right way and you will receive mis-information freely from CCP Enterprises Incorporated"
If they have an elevator and everyone stands in the centre you can never get your clothes caught, but if you have the wrong standing position or wearing a long dress, you could get your clothes caught and DIE, because CCP designed this elevator and have made no contingencies for anyone not using the apparatus perfectly.
'Nuff said! Oh lord... Help us... Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |

Orion Hellscream Chanlin
Reverberation Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:48:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Why is it that every time a forum post contains CAPS, sensationalist titles, must reads, and exclamation points, within the first handful of posts after the rage it is revealed that the OP is in fact wrong, at fault and is either unobservant and ignorant or rather perceptive and is simply trolling?
Yeah, and everytime you read it and write this load of rubbish! |
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