Not sure if you guys were aware of this, however it's a pretty big change for residents in C6 space and it's only been brought up in the back end discussion of another thread like the last time they brought up another change in WH space...

There's also a discussion of C4>K and K>C4 connections. I voted no. You may want differently.

From the amount of people who mailed/skyped me alot of people did know.



Yep feed back on that is handy as well.

If you want to talk about CCP being sneaky about changes have you seen they turned the midslot scanmodules into active ones?

If you want to talk about CCP being sneaky about changes have you seen they turned the midslot scanmodules into active ones?

Sith you can add this to headline and op. Scanning modules are now active modules on testserver:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=346048&find=unread

What the ******* hell is going on?

Leave C4 space alone.
x infinity on the midslot scanning.
Greyscale's undertones in the thread worry me.

Edit again. Now with active mid slot scanning modules. Wow what the?

'Kay, loading combat probes for default... Let's scan for other scanners in that case.

dont tell me that u use core probes...

dont tell me that u use core probes...

Given how slow your tengus' scan anything smaller than a dreadnought in a site, I don't see the issue. Yes, you can scan anything with combats. Is it smart? No.

Neither of the links had anything to do with mid slot scanning modules...

Given how slow your tengus' scan anything smaller than a dreadnought in a site, I don't see the issue. Yes, you can scan anything with combats. Is it smart? No.

Corbexx can you confirm/deny that you have shouted at/insulted Fozzie at least once over the scanning module change??

Next in CCP's basket of bad ideas and ****** surprises:

• cloaks that work only while uncloaked
• probes that only find stargates
• a prop mod that prevents you from getting doubletapped
• micro-micro jump drives (100km drone teleport for Ishtars)
• security status hits for buying something for 50% below market average to balance out market PVP
• Actually policing racist comments in public channels!
• Special pink colourtags on characters owned by IRL womens, so you can all be sexist douches on purpose!
• Brown colourtags for furries, so you know who to primary
• Komodo fighters, that do omni damage, fly faster than other fighters and have an optimal range of, i dunno, 75km and whose statistics are made to be balanced by an as-yet unreleased update. What could go wrong?
• EANM's now an active module!
• The Impel. Nuff said.
• Armour plates auto turn off when you jump through a wormhole
• Some kind of exploration battleship with a wonky-ass mass, carebear-aligned traits, which will cost a bomb and be as useful as ducks with landmines for feet. Owait.

Next in CCP's basket of bad ideas and ****** surprises:

• EANM's now an active module!

Next in CCP's basket of bad ideas and ****** surprises:

• Brown colourtags for furries, so you know who to primary

For the record, I would love the **** out of this change.

I haven't shout, or insulted Fozzie as its counter productive in the long run. I have said no one in w space will scan uncloaked and that if it happens no one in w space will use them.

Ooh its not my idea.

I haven't shout, or insulted Fozzie as its counter productive in the long run. I have said no one in w space will scan uncloaked and that if it happens no one in w space will use them.

Ooh its not my idea.

Can you confirm that the previous csm did support this like fozzie alludes to (by csm i mean the wh csm) considering in conversations with the previous wh csm's this never came up or was mentioned as a problem.

before you say ask them myself its simple, chitsa left ssc, james is a different tz, and both dont want to be bothered with this crap any more

also you are the new wh csm so deal with it :P (hugs really)

I haven't shout, or insulted Fozzie as its counter productive in the long run. I have said no one in w space will scan uncloaked and that if it happens no one in w space will use them.

Ooh its not my idea.

Given how slow your tengus' scan anything smaller than a dreadnought in a site, I don't see the issue. Yes, you can scan anything with combats. Is it smart? No.

ducks with landmines for feet.
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Do you guys really think I could have convinced ccp to add in this new thing in a week? we haven't even finished our intro meetings yet. Seriously, think about it for a moment.

One thing to note, this change was requested by quite a few wormhole players immediately after Odyssey and was one of the common requests from the wormhole members of CSM 8. They correctly argued that having these modules passive removes any choice or risk around them and skews the balance between midslots and lowslots for probing ships.

I've had this item on my list of CSM requested wormhole improvements for a while.

For the last few years I had no problem with combat- and chain-scanning in WHs. Maybe I missed something, but can somebody explain to me how scanning is going to be harder than it was a year ago bevore CCP had the ideotic Idea to boost scanning even more with those modules (as the new much more easy to use interface and scanning-system was not enough)?

He was asking about the previous CSM, not you.

One thing to note, this change was requested by quite a few wormhole players immediately after Odyssey and was one of the common requests from the wormhole members of CSM 8. They correctly argued that having these modules passive removes any choice or risk around them and skews the balance between midslots and lowslots for probing ships.

I've had this item on my list of CSM requested wormhole improvements for a while.

I hope you realize that combats and cores have the same exact sensor strength. Like, there is no advantage to using cores except that you can go down to 0.25 AU.

Fact is that if you get a sig to 25% at 4 AU with core probes, you will get it to 25% with combats at 4 AU as well. You're dumb as ****. Please don't tell me that cores are better because the in game stat on scan strength shows double that of combats. Because that's the base for core probes, and their base radius is 0.25 AU, while combats have a 0.5 AU base and thus half the scan strength.

I hate all of you retards posting on this forum without knowing **** all.

I hate all of you retards posting on this forum without knowing **** all.

Using combats for day to day scanning is a REALLY bad habit.
Yes they have the same strength as cores but the threat level they represent to others is much much higher (obviously in their mind, not in reality).

The argument is irrelevant until they introduce RSS combat probes anyway so whatever.


It's ok, we all hate you too.

The problem is, Rudin, that they are helping out people that don't go out and create content. Where do you think an active module are going to be use?

What happened to the "Scanning is too easy" - "CCP ruined scanning" ?

How about we act happy that CCP is looking at making scanning competitive and "hard" again and help them do that, instead of shooting down that they nerf one of the most useless and irrelevant modules in the game..

Seriously.. if you need those modules, you need to train your astrometrics above level 2 and/or learn to scan. Watch some youtube vids or something.

(No, you are not supposed to be able to scan down the entire world in your un-rigged drake with your t1 probes and probelauncher - scrub :( )

What happened to the "Scanning is too easy" - "CCP ruined scanning" ?

How about we act happy that CCP is looking at making scanning competitive and "hard" again and help them do that, instead of shooting down that they nerf one of the most useless and irrelevant modules in the game..

Seriously.. if you need those modules, you need to train your astrometrics above level 2 and/or learn to scan. Watch some youtube vids or something.

(No, you are not supposed to be able to scan down the entire world in your un-rigged drake with your t1 probes and probelauncher - scrub :( )

Some people like to use T3s to scan instead of the covert frigs. Removing these modes practically forces people to use the frigates and therefore reduces the competition and diversity between scanning ships.

Challenging gameplay is great but making something difficult for the sake of it does nothing to improve the experience. The challenge of probing is in the processes involved, not the strength of your probes.

I scan from a T3 without scan-rigs, modules or implants..

If you have a problem scanning from your T3 without these modules you need to either train your skills above level 2 or learn how to use the Probe scanner.

I don't think making the modules active is a good fix, I just don't see how people can whine about the modules becoming 'useless' when the community have been whining about how easy scanning was for ages..

You (the people whining) can't both have hard and easy, so man up, train your skills and stop being a whiny *****.

Haha, you are so right. Look at all these "elite pvpers" being risk adverse carebears all of a sudden. This module change fits perfectly well into CCPs risk vs reward philosophy. If you want those extra bonuses, you have to risk your ship. Its quite simple. Its funny how quickly all of you hardcore elite scanners that whined about it being to easy to scan, instantly started backpeddling as soon as CCP actually listened to you.