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Glacius Prime
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:55:00 -
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Greetings,
I will keep this short: never done Incursions, but I want to try them.
I'm reading guides and forum posts for 2 days now and so far I did not find any info about what damage type is better to inflict. I see a lot of blaster boats out there, but the target is Sansha... isn't it better to shoot EM at them?
Dose it matter what type of damage one inflicts in Incursion? Is EM better then the rest?
Should I favor lazors vs. blasters?
Thank you. |
Numba2 Special
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.22 20:13:00 -
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Incursion Sansha have omni resists, so no damage type has any advantage over the others. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
Constructive. Criticism.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 20:47:00 -
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Glacius Prime wrote:Greetings,
I will keep this short: never done Incursions, but I want to try them.
I'm reading guides and forum posts for 2 days now and so far I did not find any info about what damage type is better to inflict. I see a lot of blaster boats out there, but the target is Sansha... isn't it better to shoot EM at them?
Dose it matter what type of damage one inflicts in Incursion? Is EM better then the rest?
Should I favor lazors vs. blasters?
Thank you.
their tank is omni, their damage is omni,
here are some question do u prefer shield or armor.
Do u mind high ammo consumption.
do u like to fly logistics.
out of these answers u can choose your incursion community and ship bs hull u wanna fly, but dont do it alone |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:14:00 -
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Lol, it makes a difference. Some ammo does more damage against shields, some does more against armor. Sanshas are omni resits, but shield tanked.
So you should use the ammo that does more damage to shields.
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
Constructive. Criticism.
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:34:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Lol, it makes a difference. Some ammo does more damage against shields, some does more against armor. Sanshas are omni resits, but shield tanked.
So you should use the ammo that does more damage to shields.
ok, just out of curiosity which ammo does more damage to shield when the resists are around 80% for each dont have the resists right now but the number was around there.
PS.: this is a retorical question as the answer is none |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.22 21:46:00 -
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I blame ccp for there useless stats on ammo...
OP: go here.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206859&find=unread |
Glacius Prime
Prime's Roar
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Posted - 2014.05.23 13:38:00 -
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Thanks guys for the replays. Now it makes more sense.
What about sentry drones? Can a 10 man spider/RR domi fleet deal with Vanguards? |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:10:00 -
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Glacius Prime wrote:Thanks guys for the replays. Now it makes more sense.
What about sentry drones? Can a 10 man spider/RR domi fleet deal with Vanguards?
idk at what ranges incursion npcs are spread out (or spawn). if they do spawn too far, drone link augmentors will gimp your spider tank, but that partially could be solved with drone control rigs. I didn't see a sentry drone incursion fit, because everyone just prefers pirate battleships |
Glacius Prime
Prime's Roar
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:20:00 -
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it is my understanding that in vanguards they spawn at @ 60km and get closer to 12km orbit. most of them.
that is pretty good for sentry work.
we are a small group, we want to give incursions a try 
getting everyone in vindicators and die, its not the start I'm aiming for 
compared to that, and because logi V is hard to find, I was thinking that spider domi might work. just a thought |
PopplerRo
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Posted - 2014.05.23 14:33:00 -
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Glacius Prime wrote:What about sentry drones? Can a 10 man spider/RR domi fleet deal with Vanguards?
Yes, quite comfortably. I'd suggest the shield re setup with drone damage amps and cap in the lows. Site times would be relatively slow compared to other options but it would be a lot of fun and easy |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.23 15:01:00 -
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Get 2 logislvl4 is fine, have skirmis bonus webs(20km) and you will be fine for incursions >>10 locks for logis will makeit a walk through the park. Damagecontrole+invul... Easycake- pop niarjas |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc.
Constructive. Criticism.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:02:00 -
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sentries might have problems applying their damage so in close quarters as most are fast frigates |
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.28 07:36:00 -
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Shamelessly stealing a buddies link.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=206859
Is a very well constructed guide for an aspiring incursion pilot 
ISD Atomic Dove
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.05.28 15:12:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Lol, it makes a difference. Some ammo does more damage against shields, some does more against armor. Sanshas are omni resits, but shield tanked.
So you should use the ammo that does more damage to shields.
The ammo readouts for shield and armor damage are calculated, based on the assumption the target has standard T1 resist profiles with no hardeners. I'm not aware of any NPC that matches that - I'd expect to encounter it ingame ganking an untanked hauler or barge.
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Verity Sovereign
Sovereign Fleet Tax Shelter
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:48:00 -
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http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=24&return_to=
All have Omni resists. The damage of any given NPC is not omni, but the combination is close enough.
Ammo doesn't neccessarily do more shield or armor damage.
It does a damage type, and most ships have shield weaker to EM than to Exlosive, and vice versa for armor, before hardners and such are added.
Omni resists means any damage type works just as well |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:02:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Lol, it makes a difference. Some ammo does more damage against shields, some does more against armor. Sanshas are omni resits, but shield tanked.
So you should use the ammo that does more damage to shields. The ammo readouts for shield and armor damage are calculated, based on the assumption the target has standard T1 resist profiles with no hardeners. I'm not aware of any NPC that matches that - I'd expect to encounter it ingame ganking an untanked hauler or barge.
I kinda wanna know who the hell had enough spare time in his hands to implement this stat then. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.05.29 22:05:00 -
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A list for your edification to help understand why we chose EMP as the damage type to go with;
http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/npc_ships.php?supergroup=24&return_to=
AH didn't see Verity Sovs link so consider it a double post :)
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
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Posted - 2014.05.29 23:31:00 -
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you chose EM because sansha incursion npcs are omni tanked? |
FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:07:00 -
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nahjustwarpin wrote:you chose EM because sansha incursion npcs are omni tanked?
Except for the bombers. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:31:00 -
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FunGu Arsten wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:you chose EM because sansha incursion npcs are omni tanked? Except for the bombers.
The thinking behind EMP was the spread of damage across EM/EXP/KIN whereas the other ammo types only cover two types. Granted the difference is small 41.4/9.2/4.6/0 for EMP and 0/0/9.2/46 for Phased Plasma so it seemed like a better choice, although it probably doesn't make a bit of difference, and standardizing for fleets keeps the confusion at a minimum.
Edit; I could have sworn the EMP had a better shield damage mod when we picked it two years ago, but memory fades and now I just don't know.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
PopplerRo
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Posted - 2014.05.30 18:07:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:FunGu Arsten wrote:nahjustwarpin wrote:you chose EM because sansha incursion npcs are omni tanked? Except for the bombers. The thinking behind EMP was the spread of damage across EM/EXP/KIN whereas the other ammo types only cover two types. Granted the difference is small 41.4/9.2/4.6/0 for EMP and 0/0/9.2/46 for Phased Plasma so it seemed like a better choice, although it probably doesn't make a bit of difference, and standardizing for fleets keeps the confusion at a minimum. Edit; I could have sworn the EMP had a better shield damage mod when we picked it two years ago, but memory fades and now I just don't know.
EMP was chosen from when people didn't understand the difference and most were too complacent to bother changing as the difference only mattered in kundalini sites, also EMP was a bit cheaper that the other two options. |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.30 21:35:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:sentries might have problems applying their damage so in close quarters as most are fast frigates
Possibly, but with the new drone changes and new drone mods, it just might be feasible. |
Glacius Prime
Prime's Roar
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Posted - 2014.06.04 14:50:00 -
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Someone should do an all Torps fleet and run the same site with one damage type at a time.
Time everything and compare. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:04:00 -
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This and other similar, less extreme measures have been done.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
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Posted - 2014.06.04 16:47:00 -
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Drailen the Developer for Eve-HQ made a CLA (Combat Log Analyser) that we dropped about 200 log files in with respect to the ammo type, pilot skills, ship type and FC, after reviewing them (Granted this was almost two years ago) we came to the current meta of ships and ammo that seemed to work best.
A recent E-mail from him (Drailen) he was thinking of releasing a new version with the next Eve-HQ update, I would say anyone that wants to re-run logs with new data, should. Who knows, the power creep that is ever present in EVE might have made its way through without anyone noticing.
But I don't think so. (Been wrong before, so it wouldn't be the first time)
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
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