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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:51:00 -
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BPO is Null M. Cost me about 3560 rp's with an agent I had for about 6 weeks. Now the question is, whether or not I should sell this BPO or manufacture it. I have (or will in the next 10 days) almost all of the skills required for research and manufacturing.
My problem is that my main is an Amarr who uses lasers. I have 0 experience with ammo. Is Null M good? Is it worth manufacturing and selling at mission runner hotspots? If I do ME reserach on it...what would be a decent level of research?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:22:00 -
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Research:
T2 medium Ammo often wont gain much after ML4-8.
A couple PL do not hurt, especially when you can sell the ammo as you build it.
If you can sell it? Check the market history in a couple of regions. Prices went down quite a bit all while the traded volume increases. Some ammo is not traded at all because many pilots wont touch it because of <insertreason>.
If it isn't even offered around your home system, you might have a market niche all for yourself. You might have to strike a deal with a weapon maufacturer so you can offer the guns and the ammo where you set up your market.
Oh, and check if you can get the needed materials kinda easily ...
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:23:00 -
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I dont know about the research questions, but it most likly wont be used by mission runners, the cost of the ammo vs its damage increase means most t2 ammos wont be used for simple rat killing, at least in my experiance.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 02/06/2006 15:24:33
Null M is an excellent ammo for Deimos pilots, it provides a huge (relatively) range advantage over Anitmatter and slight tracking boost to boot.
I would definitely hang on to it and produce it yourself but I would be more inclined to sell it closer to 0.0 "gateways" than mission running systems. Only crazy people use t2 ammo for npc'ing, particularly with blasters due to the fast RoF.
Selling t2 ammo in places like Agil, Obe, Torrinos, etc will likely fetch a higher price as people are often too lazy to travel further in to empire to trade hubs like Jita and are happy to pay a premium for convinience.
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Karl Shade
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:37:00 -
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Yeah. Look for the chokepoints, especially near regions with warring alliances.
Konora is propably a good bet.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:02:00 -
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So an investment in skills for a stealth frigate would be a good idea?
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Jincha Mungchungi
So an investment in skills for a stealth frigate would be a good idea?
why would you need that? more empire -> 0.0 jump points (Torrinos for example) are high sec already, just dont fly the bpo/ammo out there in a shuttle and you should be fine.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion
Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 02/06/2006 15:24:33
Null M is an excellent ammo for Deimos pilots, it provides a huge (relatively) range advantage over Anitmatter and slight tracking boost to boot.
I would definitely hang on to it and produce it yourself but I would be more inclined to sell it closer to 0.0 "gateways" than mission running systems. Only crazy people use t2 ammo for npc'ing, particularly with blasters due to the fast RoF.
Selling t2 ammo in places like Agil, Obe, Torrinos, etc will likely fetch a higher price as people are often too lazy to travel further in to empire to trade hubs like Jita and are happy to pay a premium for convinience.
i take it you have never used null, it does not provide a traking boost, it does less dmg than antimatter!
when in a crusier sized or lower blastership u want void to fight BC and higher, you want eiter void/AM for anti cruiser, and null for the extram case of anti frig!
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jincha Mungchungi
BPO is Null M. Cost me about 3560 rp's with an agent I had for about 6 weeks. Now the question is, whether or not I should sell this BPO or manufacture it. I have (or will in the next 10 days) all of the skills required for research and manufacturing.
My problem is that my main is an Amarr who uses lasers. I have 0 experience with ammo. Is Null M good? Is it worth manufacturing and selling at mission runner hotspots? If I do ME reserach on it...what would be a decent level of research?
That's a pretty good print you got there. You could have done much worse, and for 3560 RP it's a steal! If you don't have any experience in manufacturing/trading, I'd recommend you sell it. You should get 1 - 1.5B for it. The manufacturing business is a lot harder than most people think. Building isn't too bad, but you also have to sell the stuff if you want to make money, and that's not as easy as most people seem to think.
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Alasse Cuthalion
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 02/06/2006 19:45:48
My bad, I misread the "tracking multiplier" as "tracking bonus".
I never disputed that Void was better for larger targets, infact you're the first person to even mention so I don't know why you're bringing it up.
My point remains, Null is an excellent ammo type for Deimos as it allows you to start putting damage down sooner than AM which is particularly handy for small/medium sized gangs.
Don't sit here and tell me Null's no use, it's one of the most popular ammo types along with Barrage as it has no draw backs like Void's cap/tracking rape.
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Matthias DuBastyra
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Matthias DuBastyra on 02/06/2006 20:00:07
Also, consider it's usefulness to you. Are you a solo player? If so, then you are certainly correct in questioning whether or not to sell it. However, if you are in a corp, you could hang on to it for the interests of your corp. Your organization is only as strong as it's weakest link so by providing this kind of ammo for your corp, hell, you will be among the most popular kids on the block! If ever you were thinking of buying another account, you could play Gallente and hang on to the bpo for that character. Then you could afford to use the ammo to hunt rats!
If you decide to produce, contact me in game I'd love to set up a working contract with you.
Matthias DuBastyra
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Erfnam
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: BoinKlasik
Originally by: Jincha Mungchungi
So an investment in skills for a stealth frigate would be a good idea?
why would you need that? more empire -> 0.0 jump points (Torrinos for example) are high sec already, just dont fly the bpo/ammo out there in a shuttle and you should be fine.
Any unclocked t1 ship smaller than a BC can be easily taken out by a BS with smartbombs. Trying to hide it in cans or packages doesn't work from what I can tell, so the only safe way to move an asset that is easily identifiable as costing more than a t1 fitted BS is to either cloak or tank.
Let me know if you need help moving it, I know quite a few trust worthy people with covert ops. I also have a nice shield tanked raven. I'll do it for a nominal fee and a reasonable collateral.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 23:09:00 -
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Thank you all for your suggestions. I am going to manufacture it.
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Duradam
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Posted - 2006.06.03 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Erfnam
Trying to hide it in cans or packages doesn't work from what I can tell, so the only safe way to move an asset that is easily identifiable as costing more than a t1 fitted BS is to either cloak or tank.
Won't making it a courier mission package that an alt picks up and flys over render it immune to scanning?
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:56:00 -
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I have been insanely lucky lately....just got offered my 3rd connections book in a 12 day period. So that's 3 special connections books and a BPO in the past 12 days.....I am going out to buy a lottery ticket for tonight's national lottery.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.03 12:30:00 -
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I know Null L kicks ass in my blasterthron. Dont fly deimos very much but i could imagine it hits prety well out to 10km.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:23:00 -
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Null M is your friend when you get a ship scrambling you outside of blaster range.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:03:00 -
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I can't wait to start pumping this ammo out.
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Xianthar
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:17:00 -
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demand can only go up as the number of pvp pilots that can use it increases, if you are in game for less than a year from now, sell it, if you are in for a long period, keep it.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:54:00 -
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I plan on being in for a long time. I have it in production time research now until I get metallurgy 5 in order to put it in ME research. ME of 10 would be good?
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.06.04 14:39:00 -
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Sell it alongside Moas and Feroxes. Few people seem to grasp that the sniper cruisers do have a use if you deploy them parallel to a gang as backup damage rather than with it. If another inty can tie up a hostile one, and you warp in at +60km, that hostile cepter is probably going down after a 2.9s locktime, or at least by a second volley if he was down to armor.
Also, try to find out who is selling Vultures or Eagles. Speak with them, because they can help you find the kind of customers that would be extremely interested in what you have to sell.
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HighlanderUK
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Posted - 2006.06.06 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jincha Mungchungi
I plan on being in for a long time. I have it in production time research now until I get metallurgy 5 in order to put it in ME research. ME of 10 would be good?
most ammo can be researched to ME100, and Time Research 20 or so, to speed up the manufact process. You will need several components like reports, consumer electronics & the right R.DB. R.DB BPO's can be bought, and researched like std T1 bpo's, and obviouly just cost minerals to make. Best try and use a good manufact spreadsheet, plenty of links on the root of this forum.
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Nexus1972
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Posted - 2006.06.06 16:03:00 -
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Why transport the BPO at all? research pe and me and then make copies
transport the copies - much less risk of losing something valuable then
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.06 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: HighlanderUK
Originally by: Jincha Mungchungi
I plan on being in for a long time. I have it in production time research now until I get metallurgy 5 in order to put it in ME research. ME of 10 would be good?
most ammo can be researched to ME100, and Time Research 20 or so, to speed up the manufact process. You will need several components like reports, consumer electronics & the right R.DB. R.DB BPO's can be bought, and researched like std T1 bpo's, and obviouly just cost minerals to make. Best try and use a good manufact spreadsheet, plenty of links on the root of this forum.
T2 BPOs can take *days or even weeks* per ME--that would be years of research in some cases.
Generally a few levels of ME and PE are fine, depending on the BPO.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:33:00 -
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Cool. I forget what I set PE at, but it was for approximately 18 days. I realized I needed mechanic 5 and rocket science 3 + metal 5 before I could ME the BPO. So once it is in ME research I'll start hunting down some of the pricier components for the ammo....hmmm....maybe I should start that now.
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