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Dan Grobag	Posted - 2006.06.04 11:58:00 - [1] i have heard here and there that the thanatos fighters bonus wasn't applying when fighters were delegated. is that true ? that would make my archon as efficient as the thanathos when safespoting.
Kunming	Posted - 2006.06.04 12:50:00 - [2] Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.06.04 13:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Dan Grobag i have heard here and there that the thanatos fighters bonus wasn't applying when fighters were delegated. is that true ? Not true, we tested it on latest Sisi and the bonus also applies when delegated. --------------------------------
Keta Min	Posted - 2006.06.04 16:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them.
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.04 16:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. That still leaves them with little else to do then hide in a safespot or at a pos while others are having fun with their fighters.
Malacore	Posted - 2006.06.04 16:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. When I fly interceptors I also seem to have too many things to worry about, let alone someone else's drones.
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.06.04 16:59:00 - [7] Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. That still leaves them with little else to do then hide in a safespot or at a pos while others are having fun with their fighters. Nothing forces you to hide in a pos
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Malacore Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. When I fly interceptors I also seem to have too many things to worry about, let alone someone else's drones. Might you have less problems with an extra 1500 DPS added to your total?
aeti	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:36:00 - [9] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Malacore Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. When I fly interceptors I also seem to have too many things to worry about, let alone someone else's drones. Might you have less problems with an extra 1500 DPS added to your total? don't you mean 750 :\| ------
Foulis	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:42:00 - [10] I like the carriers, they look sexy. But the min one just sucks... ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Nafri	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:49:00 - [11] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Malacore Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. When I fly interceptors I also seem to have too many things to worry about, let alone someone else's drones. Might you have less problems with an extra 1500 DPS added to your total? 1500 DPS which everybody will notice long before you can use it. Bringing a carrier in a system without having a POS there is suicide against any decent force. A Carrier has a few mins lifetime against a few BS. From Dusk till Dawn
Alessia Karan	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:51:00 - [12] Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: Keta Min ... That still leaves them with little else to do then hide in a safespot or at a pos while others are having fun with their fighters. Nothing forces you to hide in a pos No, but the point is that there is no reason to be at the front. Everything you can do in a fight you can do from the pos, so why ever leave it ?
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.04 19:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Malacore Originally by: Keta Min Originally by: Kunming Carriers are pretty useless for combat, they are the show off tools of large alliances atm. On the other hand they can act as a mobile refitting platform and the long jump range makes them a nice tool for logistics. They dont have any use in small scale battles and no small corp will be able to afford using these, much opposed to what CCP had intended. Oh well since the stealth bombers, we got more an more "role-less" ships. small corps can afford them easily and they are quite nice in small fights with inties having fighters assigned to them. Drones which cost as much, if not more than your inty and have 0 insurance. When I fly interceptors I also seem to have too many things to worry about, let alone someone else's drones.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.06.05 04:35:00 - [14] Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: Electric Cucumber Originally by: Alessia Karan Originally by: Keta Min ... That still leaves them with little else to do then hide in a safespot or at a pos while others are having fun with their fighters. Nothing forces you to hide in a pos No, but the point is that there is no reason to be at the front. Everything you can do in a fight you can do from the pos, so why ever leave it ? Different strokes for different folks? Diversity 4tw? Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Rexy	Posted - 2006.06.05 06:26:00 - [15] Edited by: Rexy on 05/06/2006 06:26:53 1. it's less boring. 2. it draws fire away from the gang, because, well it gets noticed. 3. nothing more scares the living **** out of a bs gang that just jumped in, making them week at the knees and eager to run(around for ever from the fighters) i got senzord
ELECTR0FREAK	Posted - 2006.06.05 07:21:00 - [16] Show of hands. Who here has ACTUALLY flown a carrier into combat here and isn't just talking out of their rear? -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.06.05 07:54:00 - [17] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 05/06/2006 07:32:03 Show of hands. Who here has ACTUALLY flown a carrier into combat here and isn't just talking out of their rear? 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/ I don't feel all tingly inside about the my Nidhoggur's bonuses but I am also used to Typhoons for the past 2.5 years. To be honest all the carriers are really lack luster for combat, the models are too small and they don't hold enough in their ship maintenance array. Motherships on the other hand............ are sweet. Even the Hel is an uber ship. The Amarr mothership is, however, super sexy if not overpowered. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Lucy Pinder	Posted - 2006.06.05 09:10:00 - [18] Carrier is supposed to be used for group combat, to offer support to fleet members. ATM i havent used it in offensive combat, but in PVE and defensive it has proven quite useful. Also as a means of transporting large amount of goods without needing to run blockades is very useful. PVE - Retribution with fighters assigned to it can take out dual/triple 1.4m BS spawns quite quickly Defence - Carrier sits at POS and assign fighter to a fast frig. Managed to beat the crap out of a Thorax in no time so was quite impressed (but got my own ass kicked afterwards when I got carried away a bit, fighters survived though)
Meridius	Posted - 2006.06.05 09:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Motherships on the other hand............ are sweet. Even the Hel is an uber ship. The Amarr mothership is, however, super sexy if not overpowered. Uhh how is the Amarr mothership overpowered You do mean Gallente, right - _____
Helmut 314	Posted - 2006.06.05 09:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Helmut 314 on 05/06/2006 09:24:40 Hes probably referring to the buttplug shape of the Aeon... Or the crazy bonuses. JHENR is recruiting. __________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Super Spike2	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:18:00 - [21] i think the carriers are ok at the moment, they may need some fine tuning, As for the price for them i think they are perfect, my corp is only a small corp but we are getting 2 thanatos carrier's and maybe a third later.
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Kaylana Syi Motherships on the other hand............ are sweet. Even the Hel is an uber ship. The Amarr mothership is, however, super sexy if not overpowered. Uhh how is the Amarr mothership overpowered You do mean Gallente, right everything amarr is overpowered On a sidenote most (if not all) motherships and carriers are pretty borked atm. They suck at logistics (due to the bugs and limited cargospace) and they suck at combat due to their unability to tank or repair, which bans them to pos or ss with a funfactor going straight towards 0.
Febreeze	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:52:00 - [23] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Perhaps people have the wrong idea, but Carriers are actually GROUP COMBAT ships. I mean, the ability to refit and repair one's friends in mid-combat, as well as equip those who have lost vessels with replacement ships, and send drones whizzing off after a fleeing target, are huge advantages. I'm sick of people deciding that since a ship isn't an awesome solo pwnmobile, that it sucks. Carriers weren't designed as merely a fighter platform. Use the rest of its abilities for gods sake. QFT. CAPCI Website: For Carriers, Dreadnoughts, Fighters, and Capital Ship Components.
Electric Six	Posted - 2006.06.08 11:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Lucy Pinder stuff Lucy Pinder, lol. Cool name. I've got something to put in you!

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