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Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13803	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:35:00 - [31] - Quote Renters... the only thing worse than NPC corps... *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
whysoserios Andrard Love Squad Pasta Syndicate 13	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:50:00 - [32] - Quote I only came to this thread to see if I spot any victims of mine lol. Truth be told if every corp in the renter alliance banded together they could have a shot at taking sov. But due to them being in a oppressive state of mind they will pay the isk price to avoid any direct contact with any player pvp. gf I am the guy camping your gates and killing your renters in your system in your regions.-á Fighting is not-ámandatory but if you don't it will make me killing you easier.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5197	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:55:00 - [33] - Quote Prince Sanguine wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Prince Sanguine wrote: Tl;dr I hate renter scum. Because you are jealous or because you think you are better? What do you think? Pleb. You tell me, **** "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6186	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:56:00 - [34] - Quote Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances.... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
whysoserios Andrard Love Squad Pasta Syndicate 13	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:59:00 - [35] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances.... My point exactly my goontastic friend I am the guy camping your gates and killing your renters in your system in your regions.-á Fighting is not-ámandatory but if you don't it will make me killing you easier.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6186	Posted - 2014.06.11 13:30:00 - [36] - Quote whysoserios Andrard wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Like that hilarious renter corp that went on a few rampages into enemy space and ended up with a bunch of pvpers that left to join one of our CFC alliances.... My point exactly my goontastic friend I admit, it was more of a "the CFC is made up of structureshootbears" more than an endorsement of the pvp prowess of the average renter (and those people weren't average and certainly aren't renters anymore). ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jegrey Dozer Ruatha Holdings 24	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:56:00 - [37] - Quote I feel like a lot of ambition and motivation is surrendered to laziness because of the easy cash flow of renting. Kind of sucks the fun out of the game to me. But then again, people have their reasons to do what they like. My only concern is that renting quells Null Sec activity and makes it dull. Hope this is not the case.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5201	Posted - 2014.06.11 15:58:00 - [38] - Quote Only because caps arent allowed to attack Empire space "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Baden Luskan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.11 16:05:00 - [39] - Quote TL;DR Renting empires are designed to take as much ask away from them (rent) as possible so they do not threaten the sov holder's power while giving the renters just enough isk to make them feel their toiling in that rented system is worth it compared to high sec.
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2469	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:15:00 - [40] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: (my current FW alt flys a manticore and was doing those god-awful ECM and missile spewing Gallente FW missions, FarmMatar for me now lol). Remind me to talk to you about Farmatar. I have an alt that could be in a stealth bomber in pretty short order, and that sounds like fun. Prepare to be disappointed. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion

Nguyen Phred Long Jump. 0	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:20:00 - [41] - Quote Baden Luskan wrote: TL;DR Renting empires are designed to take as much ask away from them (rent) as possible so they do not threaten the sov holder's hold on power while letting the renters make just enough isk to allow them feel their toiling in that rented system is worth it compared to high sec. I can tell you haven't done any research on the topic. As just one example, PL allows renters to build supercaps (and charges through the nose for the privilege) however, if you sell the supercap to PL, they refund the rent and pay for the supercap. I can also tell that you have no idea how much ISK can be made in nullsec, esp in some quiet, stable corner far, far off the beaten track where you can fully expect that sov won't change hands unexpectedly any time in the forseeable future. If you recruit people to use the various income streams available (i.e., some ratters, some miners, some builders, etc), the rent can be quickly eclipsed by the profits. Like everything else in EVE, it's all about how well organized you are.
Evei Shard Shard Industries 297	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:21:00 - [42] - Quote I've seen the comments on rent per month, as well as the activities by some corps.. How is it even profitable to pay 5billion per month to rat? Do these people do nothing but play Eve 18hours a day? Profit favors the prepared
Nguyen Phred Long Jump. 0	Posted - 2014.06.11 19:46:00 - [43] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: I've seen the comments on rent per month, as well as the activities by some corps.. How is it even profitable to pay 5billion per month to rat? Do these people do nothing but play Eve 18hours a day? At around 90 to 120 mill per hour ratting (or more depending on how you do it and how many characters you do it with), that's 50 hrs of actual ratting time. 5 people is 10 hrs per player. 10 people is 5 hrs per player. If you have a corp with 20 to 40 actual players, it's even less. Add in some mining and production and the cost per player goes down, down, down. Some corps charge flat fees per character, some charge taxes (5% is a rough average). Some charge for additional services (e.g., setting up a personal POS, cyno generators, that sort of thing). There are some renter corps that are essentially sub-letting their space. It's funny that people look down on renters. In RL, we're all renting economic activity space that is protected by a military that we don't answer to. We call them corporatoins and nation states. All things considered, it's a pretty good deal.
Evei Shard Shard Industries 297	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:00:00 - [44] - Quote Nguyen Phred wrote: Evei Shard wrote: I've seen the comments on rent per month, as well as the activities by some corps.. How is it even profitable to pay 5billion per month to rat? Do these people do nothing but play Eve 18hours a day? At around 90 to 120 mill per hour ratting (or more depending on how you do it and how many characters you do it with), that's 50 hrs of actual ratting time. 5 people is 10 hrs per player. 10 people is 5 hrs per player. If you have a corp with 20 to 40 actual players, it's even less. Add in some mining and production and the cost per player goes down, down, down. Some corps charge flat fees per character, some charge taxes (5% is a rough average). Some charge for additional services (e.g., setting up a personal POS, cyno generators, that sort of thing). There are some renter corps that are essentially sub-letting their space. It's funny that people look down on renters. In RL, we're all renting economic activity space that is protected by a military that we don't answer to. We call them corporatoins and nation states. All things considered, it's a pretty good deal. Well, I get the corp size being part of it. I guess anomalies pop up a lot more often than I understood. Profit favors the prepared
Jur Tissant Hemah Industries 80	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:07:00 - [45] - Quote Minnie Hitwoman wrote: I was thinking about where a thread like this belongs. By the contents of it, it kinda should be in CAOD, but I just know that I'm not going to get any honest (or even mature) responses there. GD sounds like a lesser evil Oh my are you mistaken...
Nguyen Phred Long Jump. 1	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:25:00 - [46] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: Nguyen Phred wrote: Evei Shard wrote: I've seen the comments on rent per month, as well as the activities by some corps.. How is it even profitable to pay 5billion per month to rat? Do these people do nothing but play Eve 18hours a day? At around 90 to 120 mill per hour ratting (or more depending on how you do it and how many characters you do it with), that's 50 hrs of actual ratting time. 5 people is 10 hrs per player. 10 people is 5 hrs per player. If you have a corp with 20 to 40 actual players, it's even less. Add in some mining and production and the cost per player goes down, down, down. Some corps charge flat fees per character, some charge taxes (5% is a rough average). Some charge for additional services (e.g., setting up a personal POS, cyno generators, that sort of thing). There are some renter corps that are essentially sub-letting their space. It's funny that people look down on renters. In RL, we're all renting economic activity space that is protected by a military that we don't answer to. We call them corporatoins and nation states. All things considered, it's a pretty good deal. Well, I get the corp size being part of it. I guess anomalies pop up a lot more often than I understood. Updgraded systems operate differently from unupgraded ones, which is probably what you're thinking of. Once you finish an anomaly (e.g. sanctum/haven), another one takes its place. I don't know the exact numbers but in a fully upgraded system you have something like 12 or more top end anomalies up at all times. That doesn't include ones that escalate or DED plexes that pop up, but those are on the "normal" schedule (at least I think they are). Plus belt ratting is still an option, though the regularity of the anoms is usually more ISK efficient.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 856	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:13:00 - [47] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Prince Sanguine wrote: Tl;dr I hate renter scum. Because you are jealous or because you think you are better? In my case: both. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Minnie Hitwoman Scorpion Road Industry Devil Divided By Zero 9	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:35:00 - [48] - Quote Jur Tissant wrote: Minnie Hitwoman wrote: I was thinking about where a thread like this belongs. By the contents of it, it kinda should be in CAOD, but I just know that I'm not going to get any honest (or even mature) responses there. GD sounds like a lesser evil Oh my are you mistaken... It seems not Some pretty useful feedback has been posted in this thread and there's a surprisingly low amount of of-topic and troll posts
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1004	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:42:00 - [49] - Quote Evei Shard wrote: I've seen the comments on rent per month, as well as the activities by some corps.. How is it even profitable to pay 5billion per month to rat? Do these people do nothing but play Eve 18hours a day? I pay 1.5b a month for my own personal system, and I've gone through at least 2 periods where I didn't log on for so long that the military index fell to nil. I have an alt account but have chosen deliberately to not use it in null thus far. (wanted the solo experience). As the sugar is in ded signature spawns, its actually more profitable timewise for a single player to work a lowband system than it is for a corp, as I get all the deds and minprofs for myself. As I've said before, a single highband system can support a 200 character ratting corp, if they do not concentrate into a timezone, ie they are a natural resource exploiter, not a natural army. 10B for a high end system with lots of sanctums amongst 200 characters is 50m ratting tax per character per month, which for active players the management can extract with a 10% bounty tax. Ignoring for the moment that carriers work for ratting post-kronos patch, I shoot about 25m ticks with a battleship in sanctums, so the management would be asking players to shoot 500m a month, pocket 450m themselves and pay 50m tax to the corp, or about 7 hours of sanctum ratting a month. Something I could do in 1 saturday if needed and not interrupted too much.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1004	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:44:00 - [50] - Quote Minnie Hitwoman wrote: Jur Tissant wrote: Minnie Hitwoman wrote: I was thinking about where a thread like this belongs. By the contents of it, it kinda should be in CAOD, but I just know that I'm not going to get any honest (or even mature) responses there. GD sounds like a lesser evil Oh my are you mistaken... It seems not Some pretty useful feedback has been posted in this thread and there's a surprisingly low amount of of-topic and troll posts I don't even meet the criteria for posting in CAOD.

Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2224	Posted - 2014.06.12 07:45:00 - [51] - Quote Your name keeps reminding me of pokemon. :/ The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 - Cowards deserve punishment -
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs 1309	Posted - 2014.06.13 11:33:00 - [52] - Quote Nguyen Phred wrote: [quote=Evei Shard]It's funny that people look down on renters. In RL, we're all renting economic activity space that is protected by a military that we don't answer to. We call them corporatoins and nation states. All things considered, it's a pretty good deal. Well, in the real world you get incarcerated or even physically tortured if you so much as have the wrong religious ideas in the wrong places. Refuse to make use of renting mechanics in the real world, and you fall into a cleverly devised poverty trap. In my country it is actually forbidden to feed oneself with resources obtained in nature. It's a good a deal only, because we have been conditioned to believe it is a good deal to give up personal freedom for safety. People look down upon renters because they adhere to the same principles that rule our sick, corrupted real world, for the same reason the rebels are the heroes in Star Wars and the Empire is the villain.
Elmonky Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium 37	Posted - 2014.06.13 15:04:00 - [53] - Quote my CEO rented in Delve a long time ago. Our alliance spent lots of time scurrying to get the funds together to pay the rent. We managed to sit in station 75% of the time a non blue showed in local. Zero fights and some ratting. Then halfway through a renting month our landlords gave us 24 hours to leave for reasons. Long story short I lost a Domi, a Brutix and a Megathron because the Alliance CEO got his JF nuked
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5306	Posted - 2014.06.13 15:06:00 - [54] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: the rebels are the heroes in Star Wars and the Empire is the villain. You have a very odd concept of heroes and villans Apparently, heroes support religious intolerance and the slave trade, where as villians are the ones fighting chaos and terrorism "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 6734	Posted - 2014.06.13 15:09:00 - [55] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Nguyen Phred wrote: [quote=Evei Shard]It's funny that people look down on renters. In RL, we're all renting economic activity space that is protected by a military that we don't answer to. We call them corporatoins and nation states. All things considered, it's a pretty good deal. Well, in the real world you get incarcerated or even physically tortured if you so much as have the wrong religious ideas in the wrong places. Refuse to make use of renting mechanics in the real world, and you fall into a cleverly devised poverty trap. In my country it is actually forbidden to feed oneself with resources obtained in nature. It's a good a deal only, because we have been conditioned to believe it is a good deal to give up personal freedom for safety. People look down upon renters because they adhere to the same principles that rule our sick, corrupted real world, for the same reason the rebels are the heroes in Star Wars and the Empire is the villain. The 'rebels' are just a bunch of terrorists led by energy sword wielding religious fanatics (Jed-Queda) who think a staph infection (aka "Midi-chlorians") gives them some God ('The Force') given right to rule the galaxy. -Signed, Darth Jennasidious
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5306	Posted - 2014.06.13 15:10:00 - [56] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Darth Jennasidious Dont be a part of the problem, join the Imperial Navy today! - Commander Ramonus Carron "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal


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