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Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:08:00 -
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Hey all,
after doing a bit of l2 sec missions and discussing salvage drones with my corp mates I noticed how many skills are required to just use the things. Which brought me to my question why aren't there any t2 salvage drones?
Anyone care to offer any insight? maybe CCP has stated somewhere in the past a reason that i wasnt able to find through some brief searches? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:10:00 -
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Choose your adventure:
1) There is no need for them
2) It was too difficult to find a way to make them sufficently better without making T2 Salvage modules useless
3) They haven't got around to it yet
4) Take the key and follow the knight
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
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Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:11:00 -
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ooooo door number 4! |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
1
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:34:00 -
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But in all seriousness I view the idea of t2 salvage drones as not necessarily needed just would be nice to have the option to purchase and use them. We have t2 mining drones(a nice bonus but not needed) for our miners out there so why not t2 salvage drones? |
Cypherous
Evil Monkey Asylum
Exploding Supremacy
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:21:00 -
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Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:But in all seriousness I view the idea of t2 salvage drones as not necessarily needed just would be nice to have the option to purchase and use them. We have t2 mining drones(a nice bonus but not needed) for our miners out there so why not t2 salvage drones?
Because T2 mining drones don't make T1 mining lasers useless :)
T2 salvage drones would make T1 salgaers useless, as it stands the drones have a 3% access rate while the T1 salvager has 5% (T2 is 7%) while taking up CPU, PG and a high slot, drones require no slots and only need extra drone bay space and also work at much greater ranges than salvagers, up to 60km with skills alone and thats before looking at drone links, which a majority of ships will have easily, making them too good would mean people would never really need to bother with salvagers, |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
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Posted - 2014.05.26 16:54:00 -
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Salvage drones make me ill to look at them. Space cockroaches that run upright on their back legs... nasty!
Daniel Zehn
Keeper of Evil Frosty
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2014.05.26 18:42:00 -
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Cypherous wrote:
Because T2 mining drones don't make T1 mining lasers useless :)
T2 salvage drones would make T1 salgaers useless, as it stands the drones have a 3% access rate while the T1 salvager has 5% (T2 is 7%) while taking up CPU, PG and a high slot, drones require no slots and only need extra drone bay space and also work at much greater ranges than salvagers, up to 60km with skills alone and thats before looking at drone links, which a majority of ships will have easily, making them too good would mean people would never really need to bother with salvagers,
By that logic though, wouldn't T2 salvagers also make T1 salvagers useless? |
Shadow RimRunner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:05:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Cypherous wrote:
Because T2 mining drones don't make T1 mining lasers useless :)
T2 salvage drones would make T1 salgaers useless, as it stands the drones have a 3% access rate while the T1 salvager has 5% (T2 is 7%) while taking up CPU, PG and a high slot, drones require no slots and only need extra drone bay space and also work at much greater ranges than salvagers, up to 60km with skills alone and thats before looking at drone links, which a majority of ships will have easily, making them too good would mean people would never really need to bother with salvagers,
By that logic though, wouldn't T2 salvagers also make T1 salvagers useless?
Only to those able to use them but t2 salvage drones would make T2 salvager useless from the start with 5+ t2 salvage drones you might as well use an Orca for hi sec salvaging making not only t2 salvagers pointless but also any dedicated ships a waste of time.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:12:00 -
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Put in a more constructive way: how do you envision the T2 drones to be better than the T1 ones?
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Cypherous
Evil Monkey Asylum
Exploding Supremacy
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Posted - 2014.05.26 19:41:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Cypherous wrote:
Because T2 mining drones don't make T1 mining lasers useless :)
T2 salvage drones would make T1 salgaers useless, as it stands the drones have a 3% access rate while the T1 salvager has 5% (T2 is 7%) while taking up CPU, PG and a high slot, drones require no slots and only need extra drone bay space and also work at much greater ranges than salvagers, up to 60km with skills alone and thats before looking at drone links, which a majority of ships will have easily, making them too good would mean people would never really need to bother with salvagers,
By that logic though, wouldn't T2 salvagers also make T1 salvagers useless?
Yes but a T2 module making a T1 version of itself useless is by design, T2 salvage drones would make T1 salvagers useless which is not by design |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
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Posted - 2014.05.26 20:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Put in a more constructive way: how do you envision the T2 drones to be better than the T1 ones?
I would envision them to perhaps move faster through space perhaps take up a little less room in drone bay and have a higher success rate |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1349
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Posted - 2014.05.26 21:49:00 -
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Currently a Salvage drone can salvage anything except Sleepers if trained to lvl V. Giving it even 1% better access rate gets it to sleepers if I remember the maths right. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:00:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Currently a Salvage drone can salvage anything except Sleepers if trained to lvl V. Giving it even 1% better access rate gets it to sleepers if I remember the maths right.
You don't. 
But it's close enough.
At V, they have a 13% access bonus. Any wreck that has a -10% access chance (all T2, elite, officer, commander, and some sleeper wrecks) gives you 3% chance GÇö just over 14% combined for a full full flight. Anything with a -15% access chance (intermediate large sleeper wrecks) can't be salvaged at all and would require at least +3% bonus. Anything with a -20% access chance (advanced large sleeper wrecks) would obviously require +8%.
As a point of comparison, a T2 salvaging module has +35% and thus take on those advanced wrecks with a 15% chance per cycle.
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Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:08:00 -
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Neat, thanks for the info tippia |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:10:00 -
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Pretty much in short, train the skill to V, like you would have to for T2 Salvage drones anyway and unless you live in a Wh they work just fine. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
406
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:15:00 -
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Do these salvage drones work in afk mode?
You clear a site, meanwhile,
warp in an alt in a t1 whatever, park him next to tractor unit, sic alt's salvage drones on a wreck, command 'salvage repeatedly'. walk away.
will this work? |
XMaxan
The Legion of X
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:16:00 -
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Should be easy to make a T2 version that does not make current T2 salvagers useless. If they only got faster and for the love of god smarter that would be fine with me. If anything just make them 5% putting them right on par with T1 salvager. Seems with those numbers T2 salvager would definitely stay on top.
Edit: If making them as good as T1 salvagers is so very taboo than why not give T1 salvagers a buff or make T2 drones 4%. Still better and they don't make salvagers obsolete. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1349
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:25:00 -
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A 1% per level buff = 5% buff total which would get to everything but the largest advanced sleeper wrecks (per Tippia's numbers).
The reason that obsoletes salvager's is because it lets you use your high slots for stuff that is handy for actual combat.
Like oh, a Drone Link Augmenter, that helps both combat & salvage drones at the same time.
If T2's just had more tank, velocity & faster cycle times that 'could' work. But the reality is that if you train the skill to V, the current T1's are actually pretty darn good. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:32:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:A 1% per level buff = 5% buff total which would get to everything but the largest advanced sleeper wrecks (per Tippia's numbers). It would still only be able to take on the same wrecks. Each individual drone would have 14% rather than 13%, so the -15% and -20% wrecks would still be out of reach.
Against the -10% wrecks, a gaggle of drones would go from having 1-0.97Gü¦ = 14% combined chance to having 1-0.96Gü¦ = 18%.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1349
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:46:00 -
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Isn't it per level of the skill Tippia? Or does the skill add a set bonus, I'm not logged into check the skill atm, I just remember I trained it to V and they were awesome. |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Space Wolves ind.
The Wolfpack Nexus
2
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Posted - 2014.05.26 22:56:00 -
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as far as im aware the skill adds a 2% chance per level. But yes I do like this earlier suggestion for a possible t2 salvage drone.\
"Edit: If making them as good as T1 salvagers is so very taboo than why not give T1 salvagers a buff or make T2 drones 4%. Stil"l better and they don't make salvagers obsolete. " -Xmaxan |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1632
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:04:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:warp in an alt in a t1 whatever, park him next to tractor unit, sic alt's salvage drones on a wreck, command 'salvage repeatedly'. walk away.
will this work?
Yes, that's works fine.
You only have to command the salvage drones to salvage once and they'll go and do their thing on all the wrecks within range.
Combined with a MTU, it's an easy way to loot and salvage. Works well if you drop the MTU and bring in the salvage drones a bit later so there are plenty of wrecks located at the MTU.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22230
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Posted - 2014.05.26 23:07:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Isn't it per level of the skill Tippia? Or does the skill add a set bonus, I'm not logged into check the skill atm, I just remember I trained it to V and they were awesome.
D'oh. Yes, if it's a bonus to the skill, it'll be +5%, which is enough. I somehow read it as just a flat +1% to the drone. 
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:22:00 -
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Maybe t2 salvage drones could have a faster activation rate rather than jacking with the access difficulty rates, or buff their optimal range so they start cycling on a wreck a bit sooner when moving from wreck to wreck. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2014.05.27 03:28:00 -
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Just make Tech 2 salvage drones faster, not necessarily better, than tech 1. Higher ROF and mwd speed would be plenty to make them more useful than tech 1.
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XMaxan
The Legion of X
6
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:10:00 -
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Maybe make them medium drones...... Would be fair enough. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:05:00 -
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salvage drones currently can't salvage some advanced sleeper wrecks. It would be nice if they could. |
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