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Yamatar	Posted - 2006.06.04 17:28:00 - [1] 2006.06.04 10:10 Karnival of Death Squad has declared war on GoonSwarm. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. KARN would like to wish GoonSwarm the best of luck on the forth coming War. May we look forward to some fun engagements and smack-free locals. GL Yamatar Naughty Naughty...... Very Naughty !!!
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.06.04 19:37:00 - [2] Why the dec? Last I heard, CONCORD doesn't give a damn about Syndicate. -- Change the EM/thermal ratio on laser crystals!
Native Wayne	Posted - 2006.06.04 20:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Native Wayne on 04/06/2006 20:08:54 Are you going to act just like 90% of the other corps who declare on us and sit in Ours or Jita waiting to gank our newbies flying their Ibis and Reapers while picking up new skills to train? Or are you going to actually come out to Syndicate and Outer Ring and actually fight us. Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO.
HawtBabeLOL	Posted - 2006.06.04 20:18:00 - [4] <random empire corp> declares war on GoonSwarm. Whoop de do.
Al Franken	Posted - 2006.06.04 21:27:00 - [5] How do I post alt?!
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.06.05 00:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Native Wayne Edited by: Native Wayne on 04/06/2006 20:08:54 Are you going to act just like 90% of the other corps who declare on us and sit in Ours or Jita waiting to gank our newbies flying their Ibis and Reapers while picking up new skills to train? Or are you going to actually come out to Syndicate and Outer Ring and actually fight us. Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO. Heh at the clueless noob. Its funny to see how GoonSwarm get so intimidated just because a small 15 member corporation has more quality and dignity than their whole big crappy blob alliance. -------- Angel Deep Corporation
Burtheson	Posted - 2006.06.05 02:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Trepkos Heh at the clueless noob. Its funny to see how GoonSwarm get so intimidated just because a small 15 member corporation has more quality and dignity than their whole big crappy blob alliance. We had intel about this wardec several weeks ago and we have already moved back to empire in anticipation. Would you happen to have any named tech 1 mining lasers I could buy?
Hammertime24	Posted - 2006.06.05 06:25:00 - [8] the goons should swarm them in highsec, its not like alot of yall are outlaw. would be hilarious
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.06.05 06:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Native Wayne Edited by: Native Wayne on 04/06/2006 20:08:54 Are you going to act just like 90% of the other corps who declare on us and sit in Ours or Jita waiting to gank our newbies flying their Ibis and Reapers while picking up new skills to train? Or are you going to actually come out to Syndicate and Outer Ring and actually fight us. Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO. I think you'll find that quite alot of players have heard of KARN before and as you evidently havent you soon will. Good luck KARN hope the rebuilding is going well.
AlphaM	Posted - 2006.06.05 08:30:00 - [10] Thanks kaleeb, Im one of the newer members and its an honour to be in KARN, Old members have returned and corp chat has a buzz about it. and to all the goons/alt. We will fight whenever/wherever we alike, Its one on the advangates of paying the war fee. GL to all

ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.05 11:37:00 - [11] Good luck Karn, I;ll never forget where i came from BDCI Recruitment Officer
Morbid X	Posted - 2006.06.05 14:55:00 - [12] KARN? Obviously absolutly no idea what they are doing, will they get to S-U? probably not
Califax Oman	Posted - 2006.06.05 18:18:00 - [13] Give 'em Hell Goonies! I freaking love you guys, Goon ftw! Yeah i shoot at you guys, but its nothing personal and it generaly leads to 50 of them forcing thier way through star gates chaseing me accross 10 systems. Popping goons is like throwing rocks at a bee hive. Anyway, good luck guys. Please resize your signature graphic to be in accordance with the forum rules - email us at [email protected] if you have any questions - Jacques
vile56	Posted - 2006.06.05 20:45:00 - [14] goodluck karn. we had a fun job aginst goon. hope the same to you.
Raven03	Posted - 2006.06.07 16:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Native Wayne Edited by: Native Wayne on 04/06/2006 20:08:54 Are you going to act just like 90% of the other corps who declare on us and sit in Ours or Jita waiting to gank our newbies flying their Ibis and Reapers while picking up new skills to train? Or are you going to actually come out to Syndicate and Outer Ring and actually fight us. Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO. I would choose my words more carefully. Karn is a lot more known then the alt you decided to post on. Good luck Karn
The Slayer	Posted - 2006.06.08 02:43:00 - [16] Mon' the goons. __________________________________ Your Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes Estamel Tharchon, wrecking for 187.6 damage.
Wrok	Posted - 2006.06.08 05:46:00 - [17] KARN have mercy on them fore they dont know what thier up aginst..
Magic Trev	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:53:00 - [18] Originally by: ParMizaN Good luck Karn, I;ll never forget where i came from im sure your mother will appreciate that good luck KARN of whom i have deffinatley heard of, shot and talked too --------------------
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.06.08 14:12:00 - [19] I learned how to rat in 0.0 and got taught the rudiments of pvp by some KARN gankers way back when in syndicate. Scarily good peeps. KARN has a long and storied tradition which Goonswarm now gets to be apart of. Much luck to all involved.
wraith1	Posted - 2006.06.08 17:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Morbid X KARN? Obviously absolutly no idea what they are doing, will they get to S-U? probably not mmmmm well lets just look at monday night 4x intie pilots decided to wander where they wern't welcome and if ppl check out www.podbase.com for KARN on that date and early morning on tuesday u will see upward of 60 kill mails in and around s-u ooops must of found that system by accident as we "wouldnt" go there on purpose..... would we??????

Verone	Posted - 2006.06.08 22:23:00 - [21] Originally by: ParMizaN Good luck Karn, I;ll never forget where i came from I'll never forget where you came from either.... Parm... I R teh yu0r father! VETO RECRUITMENT
Mistress Suffering	Posted - 2006.06.08 22:55:00 - [22] Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 08/06/2006 22:55:03 Originally by: Califax Oman Popping goons is like throwing rocks at a bee hive. Haha, so true :) Usually quite safe, but every once in a while you get an oh c**p moment where 50 hostiles jump into system.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.06.09 08:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Verone Originally by: ParMizaN Good luck Karn, I;ll never forget where i came from I'll never forget where you came from either.... Parm... I R teh yu0r father! nOooooOOOO!!!! cuts of hand and jumps, surely to his death BDCI Recruitment Officersig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris
WilfredTheSmart	Posted - 2006.06.12 11:14:00 - [24] G/l to Karn My first real Skirmish was with KARN when we lived in Syndicate. This is a story that turned me into member of a territory loving alliance to a Freedom Fighter (terrorist to some). A pod pilot that believes that space should be open to all and our little arrangement with KARN is a testament to that theory. As a member with Daredevils I hung around Orvolle while my corpmates mined, traded, produced and missioned in Lonetrek. I had a nice business buying and selling Ospreys with a 25% markup for moving them 3 jumps. I occasionally went into PF-346 and gate camped with some guys, but tbh it did not really do anything for me so I ventured in further in my Caracal and did some NPCing in XYY. I could take out cruiser spawns at this time started shipping stuff into FD for profit. Some of our corp members then moved to XYY (Apache, Kunck (RKK), The Resistor, Liet Trapp and some other that have since quit playing eve. I was the logistics man. I have never lost an indy in 0.0 . Mind IÆve lost a Lot of other ships. We then Joined a small alliance in syndicate and prospered there for a few months. First KARN arrived and we harried then killing a few ship and them killing a few of us. Eventually we Napped and they NPCÆed in peace and us likewise. Then, CA split, out of the ashes emerged Imperium. Guess where they headed, Yes you got it Syndicate and the Outer Ring. They setup corps in various areas of syndicate to quell any dissent. A small corp setup just inside in our Constellation (cant remember their name), but they did not do so well. Our Alliance harried these guys and killed more of them than ourselves. My first encounter was with a ECM ferox and me in a Raven (cruise FoF ftw). I sat at the gate as bait, the ferox engaged me jamming me. Then our tackler jumped in and scrambled him. My fofÆs tore him to shreds Then the big boys of Imperium arrived at our door step VOFT. A group of 3 VOFT arrived to investigate a red spot on the map. I was in my BB and docked in a station and informed our small waiting party of who was coming and where. I then followed them in. When I jumped into our home system Bilko and another pilot had engaged a scorpion and some other ships. I damped the scorpion and he warped out. He warped straight back and there was my lesson in EW. He locked my BB before I could lock him. Boom went the BB since I was too far from the gate. A noob taught a lesson by the Mighty ex-CA. Then more of our alliance logged on and the VOFT made the mistake of harrying KARN. Then we had a gang of 8 and held the ex-CA guys down in the system. I went and got another BB. The Imperium guys Camping the Gate in PF-346 responded to distress call from their trapped pilots. More arrived. When they jumped in there was 10 v 8 if I recall correctly. I cant even remember how many kills there was on each side but ex-CA left the field of Battle. A victory short lived. Our small alliance crumbled under a more sustained campaign from Imperium and Our corp folded with Knuck Already in JF and Wilf and Apache following suit. The resister and Liet went off to join Syncore. Anyway that is my memories of KARN a bunch of good blokes always up for a scrap. Good luck Wraith1  Wilf
Yamatar	Posted - 2006.06.12 12:34:00 - [25] KARN ends war with GoonSwarm Karn would like to thank Goonswarm for the fun engagements we have had over the last week. You will see a list of stats for the war as provided by www.podbase.com. These stats are estimated so lets not bicker guyz. I would just like to recall a few moments and quotes from the war. Someone quoted that playing with GoonSwarm is like throwing a stone into a bee hive. I would definately agree with you as we did experience this moment once during the war. Yes we got our backsides Ganked but hey, wot fun it was We also nearly ended the war with a Freighter kill. It was on Sunday evening one of our KARN pilots was on patrol in his frigate, when a call came over comms that he was just about to engage a GoonSwarm Caldari Freighter. As he engaged the rest of the KARN pilots responded to this alert and headed towards the target system, some Karn Pilots were as far as 21 jumps from target system. Soon a 2nd Karn frigate pilot arrived in system and between these 2 pilots they continued to pound away at the Freighter. Another HAC pilot was 7 jumps away from target system, by this time the hostile freighter was just starting to take on structure damage. It was at this time that a hostile ECM dominix jumped into the system and started jamming and nos'ing our 2 frigate pilots. Our pilots then set about to cycle warp-in and out on the target freighter as to try and keep it pinned down until more KARN support arrived. This engagement continued for approx 15 minutes, another hostile Maller had jumped into the system, shortly follwed by a KARN HAC pilot. Other KARN pilots we're shortly to arrive at target system. It was at this time that the Freighter then warped from its location. A scan was made but unfortunately the freighter was not to be found. With hostiles still at location, our pilots continued to take them down, the Dominix warped off leaving the Maller to fall victim to our Karn pilots. It would have been a very nice end to the war but hey, some fish do slip through the net every now and then Once again, thank you to GoonSwarm and we hope to meet again in the future. KARN LOSSES: 11 Est ISK Loss: 60,742,510 GOONSWARM LOSSES: 134 Est ISK Loss: 853,691,402 Naughty Naughty...... Very Naughty !!!
Bowwow Meow	Posted - 2006.06.12 15:43:00 - [26] I hate to be picky over stats, but those numbers just don't look right to me. 60m for 11 losses? I am looking at podbase, and I count approximately 10 Inties, one AF, and 2 HACs to Goonswarm + Allies, all T2 fitted. I would love to see where you are getting your info from, because it looks plain wrong to me. The kill total works out at around 6.5M a ship, which sounds a little high but I don't know how many BS's you killed for the average to increase. The best comparison is be to compare kill/losses by ship type. Can you get that info for us to look at? Out of those 130 kills, how many BS, how many Frigs, how many HACs etc. That way people can look at the raw data and make up their own minds who came out on top.
Yamatar	Posted - 2006.06.12 16:06:00 - [27] As I have explained and will explain once more for you my freind. These stats are taken from www.podbase.com. If you did your homework a little more and go through all the killz, being very precise, u will reach the figure I have reached. The stats are taken from GOONSWARN and our losses are based on being killed by GOONSWARN only as we were at war with them. If you would care to check the 134 killz individually as I have, you will find a little skill book in the cargo hold of one of them which is worth 400 mill I hope that puts your calculations into prospective, and you are truly pardened for being picky Yamatar Naughty Naughty...... Very Naughty !!!
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.06.12 16:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Yamatar As I have explained and will explain once more for you my freind. These stats are taken from www.podbase.com. If you did your homework a little more and go through all the killz, being very precise, u will reach the figure I have reached. The stats are taken from GOONSWARN and our losses are based on being killed by GOONSWARN only as we were at war with them. If you would care to check the 134 killz individually as I have, you will find a little skill book in the cargo hold of one of them which is worth 400 mill I hope that puts your calculations into prospective, and you are truly pardened for being picky Yamatar Shush You're ruining their arguement that no matter how many you kill of them, that the little that they killed of you is worth more then what they lost. They like to use this excuse alot to claim victory in every situation. Sorta like a crutch for the fact that they are nothing more than a mindless blob of noobs. -------- Angel Deep Corporation
Agif	Posted - 2006.06.12 17:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Raven03 Originally by: Native Wayne Edited by: Native Wayne on 04/06/2006 20:08:54 Are you going to act just like 90% of the other corps who declare on us and sit in Ours or Jita waiting to gank our newbies flying their Ibis and Reapers while picking up new skills to train? Or are you going to actually come out to Syndicate and Outer Ring and actually fight us. Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO. I would choose my words more carefully. Karn is a lot more known then the alt you decided to post on. Good luck Karn Thats not an alt that be one of goonfleets latest recruits
Morrigu Storm	Posted - 2006.06.12 18:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Trepkos Originally by: Yamatar As I have explained and will explain once more for you my freind. These stats are taken from www.podbase.com. If you did your homework a little more and go through all the killz, being very precise, u will reach the figure I have reached. The stats are taken from GOONSWARN and our losses are based on being killed by GOONSWARN only as we were at war with them. If you would care to check the 134 killz individually as I have, you will find a little skill book in the cargo hold of one of them which is worth 400 mill I hope that puts your calculations into prospective, and you are truly pardened for being picky Yamatar Shush You're ruining their arguement that no matter how many you kill of them, that the little that they killed of you is worth more then what they lost. They like to use this excuse alot to claim victory in every situation. Sorta like a crutch for the fact that they are nothing more than a mindless blob of noobs. Indeed they do like to say they lose very little compared to the other ppl fighting them but it's just not true anymore. I know someone from a pvp corp who wont post in the forums but has a corp killboard and it isn't just T1 frigs and cruisers anymore. The majority of the kills were BS's (admitedly T1) but there were also Ceptor and AF as well as the usuall Frigates and cruisers. The pilots in Goonfleet have stayed past the initial trial period time and are using nicer gear as everyone else does who carries on in EvE and who can blame them. But saying they lose very little in comparison to the damage they inflict is not so anymore.

Tow Truck	Posted - 2006.06.12 20:56:00 - [31] How can you lose multiple interceptors and a HAC, and lots of T2 equipment, but end up with 60m isk total? I give you a rough estimate: You're so full of it.
AlphaM	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:18:00 - [32] il forgive you as your a new char (benefit of the doubt) But podbase gives values based on base price of the ships, Like yam said, its there in black and white. feel free to check it. Not everyone pays market price for ships and equipment.
steve shaw	Posted - 2006.06.12 21:26:00 - [33] wud just like to congratulate most of goon for keepin the war smack free and havin the balls to have a go in suicide friggys. those who cudnt keep out of local, u know who u r so go hang ur heads in shame. also thanks to d2 for the few fights i got with em
Refeirg Atonmi	Posted - 2006.06.12 23:19:00 - [34] Lets please not turn this thread into a kills/losses circlejerk - this goes to both sides.
Nareen Adlen	Posted - 2006.06.12 23:28:00 - [35] Originally by: AlphaM But podbase gives values based on base price of the ships, Like yam said, its there in black and white. feel free to check it. Not everyone pays market price for ships and equipment. In that case I'd like to buy a couple dozen HACs from you. 17m for a Deimos sounds about right. Hell, i'll even be nice and allow you to charge a 100% markup for them. Where can I pick my ships up?
Asier	Posted - 2006.06.13 09:05:00 - [36] I highly request that any mention to kill count/costs not be spoken aloud, and left within one's head. The truth is that both sides still has plenty of money, and plenty of ships, and we all had a good time, so nobody cares :) That said, may I extend a very warm "Good Fight" to every member of KARN, they did not disappoint in any means. Friendly chat that never (de)evolved into smacktalk is a breath of fresh air, and I wish you well against whomever you choose as new friends
AlphaM	Posted - 2006.06.13 09:19:00 - [37] Cheers asier, we did have some good fights Best thing about goons, you never know if all their mates are just around the corner I wish goons best of luck
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.13 10:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Nareen Adlen Originally by: AlphaM But podbase gives values based on base price of the ships, Like yam said, its there in black and white. feel free to check it. Not everyone pays market price for ships and equipment. In that case I'd like to buy a couple dozen HACs from you. 17m for a Deimos sounds about right. Hell, i'll even be nice and allow you to charge a 100% markup for them. Where can I pick my ships up? hey nublet, people have friends, people have production corps, people have friends in production corps. you do not. this is why you cannot get cheap stuff. now hush and let the war carry on. *See You In Space Cowboy*
Burtheson	Posted - 2006.06.13 10:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Laythun hey nublet, people have friends, people have production corps, people have friends in production corps. you do not. this is why you cannot get cheap stuff. now hush and let the war carry on. A lot of people in Eve seem to have absolutely no concept of opportunity cost. Yes, if you know the right people you can buy a HAC cheap. No, that doesn't mean the HAC is worth less when somebody pops it. If they hadn't popped it you could have sold it for its market value and used the isk. Imagine you won the lottery. You get given fifty million dollars (yay!). You use the money to buy a giant yacht. When you take the yacht out to sea it gets sunk by pirates. When the yacht sinks you do not lose the $2.50 you spent on the lottery ticket, you lose the fifty million dollars you could have sold the super yacht for if you'd got it back to port. It's true, the 50 million only cost you $2.50 to gain, but that doesn't change the fact that you had fifty million and now you've lost it. When you buy a HAC from a friend at cost or near-cost prices you win (by virtue of your friendship) almost the full market value of the HAC (or more precisely, you win the market value of the HAC minus the price your friend charges you for it). That is free value that has fallen in your lap. If someone comes along and blows up the HAC you lose that margin. You no longer enjoy the opportunity of selling the HAC and making one or two hundred million isk. You have lost [<market value of HAC> - <friend price>], which from what I've seen is usually dozens or hundreds of millions of isk per ship. Maybe you never had any intention of selling the HAC, but that doesn't change the accounting aspect of it.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.13 11:15:00 - [40] funny enough, i did econ, and we covered opportunity costs. the fact that opportunity cost is WAY to fluid to be a calculated in the equation for whats been lost. build cost IS unfortunately the fairest way to do it. *See You In Space Cowboy*

w0rmy	Posted - 2006.06.13 11:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Native Wayne Considering you have 15 members in your corp and no one has ever heard of you, I think the first choice will be your MO. The guy with no avitar calling others noobs... Of course people whine, its cause your sig sucks
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.13 12:03:00 - [42] Its also VERY sad to see these goonfleet members getting incredibly arrogant. Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. *See You In Space Cowboy*
H00KER	Posted - 2006.06.13 14:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Laythun funny enough, i did econ, and we covered opportunity costs. the fact that opportunity cost is WAY to fluid to be a calculated in the equation for whats been lost. build cost IS unfortunately the fairest way to do it. So in that case the sigil that I lost after building with minerals I got from npc rats, cost me the ammo used less the bounty gained plus the factory cost. Hmmm my sigil loss actually gained me money! Maybe you should apply for a job at Enron they value creative accounters of your calibre very highly.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.13 15:38:00 - [44] Originally by: H00KER Originally by: Laythun funny enough, i did econ, and we covered opportunity costs. the fact that opportunity cost is WAY to fluid to be a calculated in the equation for whats been lost. build cost IS unfortunately the fairest way to do it. So in that case the sigil that I lost after building with minerals I got from npc rats, cost me the ammo used less the bounty gained plus the factory cost. Hmmm my sigil loss actually gained me money! Maybe you should apply for a job at Enron they value creative accounters of your calibre very highly. do you even understand what the 2 posts about this mean? or are u just geneerally trying to flame and look smart? If its the latter it hasnt worked. If you READ the post i was replying to we were discussing opportunity cost, a variable number. i stated that mineral cost is fairer because it has a much more stable price and every ship uses a minimum amount of minerals. oh yeah if you understood ANYTHING about economics you slap yourself for talking about accountancy in the same sentence economics != accounting *See You In Space Cowboy*
H00KER	Posted - 2006.06.13 15:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: H00KER Originally by: Laythun funny enough, i did econ, and we covered opportunity costs. the fact that opportunity cost is WAY to fluid to be a calculated in the equation for whats been lost. build cost IS unfortunately the fairest way to do it. So in that case the sigil that I lost after building with minerals I got from npc rats, cost me the ammo used less the bounty gained plus the factory cost. Hmmm my sigil loss actually gained me money! Maybe you should apply for a job at Enron they value creative accounters of your calibre very highly. do you even understand what the 2 posts about this mean? or are u just geneerally trying to flame and look smart? If its the latter it hasnt worked. If you READ the post i was replying to we were discussing opportunity cost, a variable number. i stated that mineral cost is fairer because it has a much more stable price and every ship uses a minimum amount of minerals. oh yeah if you understood ANYTHING about economics you slap yourself for talking about accountancy in the same sentence economics != accounting Why is always those that are constantly climbing further and further up the stupid tree that feel it necessary to call everyone else stupid? Oh and Id love to know why knowing anything about economics precludes one from mentioning accounting in the same sentence. It was you that stated build cost is the fairest way of estimating loss, when numerous people have shown you the folly of your thinking. I simply stated my build cost was a negative figure, and admittedly, sarcastically followed your thinking to turn a loss into a positive. If you want to carry on kidding yourself, dont let me stand in your way, you seem to have it down to a fine art.
Geralt Rivia	Posted - 2006.06.13 17:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Kaleeb I think you'll find that quite alot of players have heard of KARN before and as you evidently havent you soon will. Good luck KARN hope the rebuilding is going well. yeh i do remember them
Refeirg Atonmi	Posted - 2006.06.13 22:57:00 - [47] Originally by: Laythun Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. i thought the goonies were the guys that started pvping in 0.0 in friggies from day one why do these threads always degenerate into this junk. Guys, lets stop this please.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.14 09:16:00 - [48] Originally by: H00KER Originally by: Laythun Originally by: H00KER Originally by: Laythun ..... ..... ..... Why is always those that are constantly climbing further and further up the stupid tree that feel it necessary to call everyone else stupid? Oh and Id love to know why knowing anything about economics precludes one from mentioning accounting in the same sentence. It was you that stated build cost is the fairest way of estimating loss, when numerous people have shown you the folly of your thinking. I simply stated my build cost was a negative figure, and admittedly, sarcastically followed your thinking to turn a loss into a positive. If you want to carry on kidding yourself, dont let me stand in your way, you seem to have it down to a fine art. why is it that u can somehow deduce me calling you stupid when it was never mentioned. I highlighted the pointless sarcasm in your post. If you understood econ you would realise why putting accounting in the same sentence doesnt work. If you can formulate a much better way of caluculating loss then by all means inform me. If not i suggest you stop talking. And by and large it IS the fairest way, or should i put it 'the lesser of two evils'. its not perfect but it works, is this so hard to understand? *See You In Space Cowboy*
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.14 09:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Refeirg Atonmi Originally by: Laythun Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. i thought the goonies were the guys that started pvping in 0.0 in friggies from day one why do these threads always degenerate into this junk. Guys, lets stop this please. dude, 'pvping' is not what they do from day one, i think you'll find mining is what they do, and throwing hundreds of tech 1 frigs at a target until it goes down is very much removed from what im talking about. ANYONE can throw ships at a target till it goes down, its pvp at the lowest denominator. What im saying is goon STILL need to show people respect as everyone else does. The lack of it is disturbing. *See You In Space Cowboy*
Koyaan	Posted - 2006.06.14 11:19:00 - [50] Edited by: Koyaan on 14/06/2006 11:18:58 Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Refeirg Atonmi Originally by: Laythun Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. i thought the goonies were the guys that started pvping in 0.0 in friggies from day one why do these threads always degenerate into this junk. Guys, lets stop this please. dude, 'pvping' is not what they do from day one, i think you'll find mining is what they do, and throwing hundreds of tech 1 frigs at a target until it goes down is very much removed from what im talking about. Learning how to align in gangs, the necessity of TS, how to tackle, how to sort your overview for PVP, this is what newbs do from day one. It takes mere weeks to get into a t1 cruiser and be able to solo and small gang pvp with it if you know the basics. You learn the rest from there.

Nareen Adlen	Posted - 2006.06.14 13:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Laythun If you can formulate a much better way of caluculating loss then by all means inform me. Market price of the ship - Insurance payout + Market price of destroyed items + 2 * Market price of looted items
Tenpenny Six	Posted - 2006.06.14 20:44:00 - [52] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Refeirg Atonmi Originally by: Laythun Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. i thought the goonies were the guys that started pvping in 0.0 in friggies from day one why do these threads always degenerate into this junk. Guys, lets stop this please. dude, 'pvping' is not what they do from day one, i think you'll find mining is what they do, and throwing hundreds of tech 1 frigs at a target until it goes down is very much removed from what im talking about. ANYONE can throw ships at a target till it goes down, its pvp at the lowest denominator. What im saying is goon STILL need to show people respect as everyone else does. The lack of it is disturbing. I havn't seen a single post in this thread from you that provides any reason to respect you.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.06.14 22:39:00 - [53] Think this topic would be better of if the so called winners of the war would leave it at that .. Arguing about the isk back and forth only proves that, Elite is something you need to prove on the forums aswell .. Forged in war and etc .. leaves me to belive you got something to prove and proving it agianst goonswarm lol
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.15 09:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Nareen Adlen Originally by: Laythun If you can formulate a much better way of caluculating loss then by all means inform me. Market price of the ship - Insurance payout + Market price of destroyed items + 2 * Market price of looted items thats absurd. work this out then Curse 4 medium dim's (2 destroyed) 1 dark blood neut afb II (destroyed) 2 balmer tracking dis 1 multispec II (destroyed) 1 ts warp disruptor medium 'greaves' armour rep 1 EAN II 1 mAGnetic nano II (passive hardner) (destroyed) 1 therm II (destroyed) 400 tungsten plate *See You In Space Cowboy*
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.15 09:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Tenpenny Six Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Refeirg Atonmi Originally by: Laythun Just remember the people your talking to were forged in warefare and had no free rides from day one. i thought the goonies were the guys that started pvping in 0.0 in friggies from day one why do these threads always degenerate into this junk. Guys, lets stop this please. dude, 'pvping' is not what they do from day one, i think you'll find mining is what they do, and throwing hundreds of tech 1 frigs at a target until it goes down is very much removed from what im talking about. ANYONE can throw ships at a target till it goes down, its pvp at the lowest denominator. What im saying is goon STILL need to show people respect as everyone else does. The lack of it is disturbing. I havn't seen a single post in this thread from you that provides any reason to respect you. I dont need your respect. Im talking about respect for your opponents. try reading the post a little better. In anycase when u have a portrait come back and try flame again. *See You In Space Cowboy*
Emylia	Posted - 2006.06.15 13:54:00 - [56] Quick someone call the fire department. Laythun is on fire.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.06.15 15:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Emylia Quick someone call the fire department. Laythun is on fire. Why thank you, i know im hot, but i hadnt realised im on FIRE! w00t go me! *See You In Space Cowboy*
Refeirg Atonmi	Posted - 2006.06.15 21:17:00 - [58] Laythun... why arent you letting this die?
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.16 02:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Verone Originally by: ParMizaN Good luck Karn, I;ll never forget where i came from I'll never forget where you came from either.... Parm... I R teh yu0r father! I'm guessing he got his uhm... good looks, from his mother?
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.16 02:35:00 - [60] Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 16/06/2006 02:36:07 Originally by: Burtheson No, that doesn't mean the HAC is worth less when somebody pops it. Yes it does. If someone spends 30mil to buy a HAC and t2 fittings, when it pops they're down 30mil. Yes they COULD sell it, but for some money isn't an option, and tbh, if I could buy HACs at that price from people I'd probably be too busy having fun in PK (losing them ) to care what the bat**** insane market markup is. If I spend 30mil and lose the ship, then I've only lost 30mil, not 200mil. You don't lose isk you've never had. edit: And if your friends find you're taking the HACS they sell you at discount, to sell them on the market, you're going to be down a friend very soon.

Ender Potshot	Posted - 2006.06.16 05:19:00 - [61] haha, you guys lost
thetwilitehour	Posted - 2006.06.27 02:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 16/06/2006 02:36:07 Originally by: Burtheson No, that doesn't mean the HAC is worth less when somebody pops it. Yes it does. If someone spends 30mil to buy a HAC and t2 fittings, when it pops they're down 30mil. Yes they COULD sell it, but for some money isn't an option, and tbh, if I could buy HACs at that price from people I'd probably be too busy having fun in PK (losing them ) to care what the bat**** insane market markup is. If I spend 30mil and lose the ship, then I've only lost 30mil, not 200mil. You don't lose isk you've never had. edit: And if your friends find you're taking the HACS they sell you at discount, to sell them on the market, you're going to be down a friend very soon. I guess you dont really get it. The opportunity cost is the only realistic way of assessing the value of ships lost. What you could've had instead of whatever is worth X isk, hence X isk is the opportunity cost of that item. While its true that some people pay less for items, if you want to try to apply a standard like that everyone will claim they pay next to nothing for every item, so as to minimize their isk losses in war. This makes it pretty obvious opportunity cost is the only useful yardstick for tracking isk lost during a war, because all other numbers will be hopelessly argued and arbitrary. To the person claiming that build cost should be used, I think you should've gone to class more often.
Ark Xenon	Posted - 2006.06.27 04:08:00 - [63] Some people are too stupid to realize that when you are given the oppurtunity to buy your hacs dirt cheap, that it is usually for a reason. With that said, if they find you selling the hacs they sold to you for cheap for market price instead of the uses intended, you will probably find that privilage taken away,
Josia Caladon	Posted - 2006.09.24 22:08:00 - [64] Seems like the argument was lost a few pages ago. I think what everyone is getting at is the value of what was lost. That's the most unbiased way to look at the costs of war. Anyways, kudos to Goon for showing some class and not ranting like others.

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.24 23:33:00 - [65] Please do not resurrect old threads. Thanks Email Us (Report a bad post) \| Forum Rules - Read 'em! \| Website



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