Oh look it's this thread again in which the following will happen.

1. Side one: AFK Cloaking is bad.
2. Side 2: No it's not, you're just terrible at Eve.
3. Side 1: No U!
4. Side 2: LOL NEWB, U R TEH SUXORS.

It's an argument that has never, in my 6 years of playing, come to any kind of resolution that doesn't devolve into children on a playground with their fingers in their ears.

We may as well debate gun control, abortion, or the death penalty. We'll get just as much accompolished.

Maybe any AFK cloaking thread should only be active when the OP is ATK...

They are already looking to nerf combat scanning, I want this to also include the internal scanner.

To say that all carriers should die is plain stupid, You NEED a carrier to live in Null, why not allow it to double up as a ratting ship.

There's also no reward for the AFK cloaker. Any reward incurred happens while he's actively playing the game and has to uncloak, thereby incurring the risk of being shot at.

your focusing on a narrow tangent. Carrier, battleship,t3 or cruiser. They all encounter the exact same problem. Its not a risk reward argument if its not a risk, its suicide.

People just don't rat and wait for them to get bored. All I'm saying is, why allow someone who isn't at the keyboard so much influence over a larger number of players who are actually active?

your focusing on a narrow tangent. Carrier, battleship,t3 or cruiser. They all encounter the exact same problem. Its not a risk reward argument if its not a risk, its suicide.

People just don't rat and wait for them to get bored. All I'm saying is, why allow someone who isn't at the keyboard so much influence over a larger number of players who are actually active?

*OP addressing a controversial issue that clearly no one ever ever in the whole wided worldeded ever thought of before.*

Eliminate local in NULL and you:

1. negate afk cloaking
2. negate tinfoil-hat ratters
3. create better SOV/NULL metagame
4. make sov holders actually post guards in their systems
5. negate threads like this

An AFK cloaker has never killed a player. Therefore it's not a problem.

HTFU

Edit:

This^ (4 is naive, but everything else is true)

Any AFK action that can positively or negatively impact other players should be removed from the game and prevented at all costs. I believe CCP agrees with this, they already made tweaks to OGB, now they need to fix AFK cloaking.

Side note, removing Local would be a good move too.

and removing local is just dumb^^ why should there not be an openforallchannel?
I really don-¦t fancy with the idea to open an privatchat/newchannel for daily chatting with my surroundings^^
maybe they should remove combatprobes aswell cuz it-¦s to easy to find you?

I-¦d recommend to overthink your suggestions once again^^

It takes 3 minutes for a ratting carrier to be killed by blops hotdrop. That is not enough time for a defense fleet to form, warp in and save the carrier. Even if they could, your talking about having to have an active defense fleet to combat and AFK threat. Why should somoene who isnt at his keyboard have so much power as to have 100 players be ready to counter a potential threat.

In reality, AFK cloaking is imbalanced.

You, can't even argue that if your aligned you can warp before being tackled from a deloaker, because the simple, yet effective tactic of moving infront of and bumping a target prior to tackling it.

I'm all for risk and reward, this is all reward and no risk for the cloaker.

have you considered having cloaky eyes in the systems they will drop from?
We cloaky camp some people and they stay docked all day.
They tried doing it to us and we continue ratting as if they weren't there. If we need to know we log on cloaky eyes in their briding systems and have a look see. If we think they are going to hotdrop we form a counter drop fleet.
ratting is too safe in null already. cloaky hot drops are the only thing that provides any risk for the average nullbear and this is somehow broken in favour of the hunters?

Bland

for the record...when i say remove local, i mean make it like WH space. Don't show people unless they talk.