| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 1 post(s) |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
16
   |
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:19:00 -
[1] - Quote
...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. 
Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour....
Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right? |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes
Spaceship Samurai
721
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:21:00 -
[2] - Quote
IIRC RvB has lower tax on their POCOs than the NPCs had, use theirs. |
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:25:00 -
[3] - Quote
RvB have set a 5% tax rate for neutrals, which before skills totals up to 15%, lowerable to 10% through the Custom skill. Whilst not great, it is reasonable - enough for most factory world setups to be able to turn a profit. |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
16
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:27:00 -
[4] - Quote
Karen,
so you mean I have to go through the ardous task of finding new planets and then dismantling already running P.I.-factories and build new ones....just so that then later another corp takes over their planets too or RvB they themselves choose to put a higher tax...
....doesn't sound like a good plan I must say....
....when doing P.I. one really wants to calculate on forehand what the profit will be...theese farkin new taxes just makes it harder... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1698
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:28:00 -
[5] - Quote
Then move.
If you ar not happy with the taxes, go find a place where you are happy, or heaven forbid, get organised and find a way to put your own POCOs up.
If you want to move into a WH, contact me by evemail. We charge 1% tax on our POCOs and if you pass our checks, we'll have no problem assisting you to setup PI in one of our WHs.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
16
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:30:00 -
[6] - Quote
Thanks for the offer Scipio,
but WH's are out of the question for me.
As an industrialist and a trader I want to know in what system I am going to Wake up the next morning....  |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5122
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:32:00 -
[7] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:As an industrialist and a trader I want to know in what system I am going to Wake up the next morning....
Generally the one you logged off in.
This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
16
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:34:00 -
[8] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Then move.
If you ar not happy with the taxes, go find a place where you are happy,
I was happy with the taxes and the corps that had the Custom Offices for the planets I used....but guess what....they changed....
This is what happends when you put things like this in the hands of the players. I guess at least now they can blame the players themselves for nerfing P.I.  |
Violet Crumble
The Vendunari
End of Life
88
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:35:00 -
[9] - Quote
I only pay 7.5% in NPC nullsec.
A nice, generally quiet part of Syndicate. I'd suggest just moving your PI out of highsec all together.
I may be a girl but be careful, I bite. |
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
29
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:36:00 -
[10] - Quote
Well, either:
A) Find a way to buy / place your own POCOs around planets not currently taken by other player corporations (I still see some Interbus ones around)
B) Join a decent corp that has done that
C) Move to a WH / Null or somewhere that doesn't have the NPC tax added to the player tax
D) Factor the tax in to see what becomes profitable
E) Train the skill to lower the NPC tax in Hisec
F) Spend ages looking around where you want to call home to find something better than 5% player tax
G) Forget about PI |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3614
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:36:00 -
[11] - Quote
You can circumvent export tax by launching with the command center. 500m-¦ at a time, only limit is the cooldown for expedited transfers, which is some 25 minutes at 500m-¦.
I export my P2 production in low-sec completely through command center launches. Eliminates the risk of getting caught at the POCO. Not that it was big before, I just save myself the effort of going through all the bookmarks.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
Violet Crumble
The Vendunari
End of Life
88
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:41:00 -
[12] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:You can circumvent export tax by launching with the command center. 500m-¦ at a time, only limit is the cooldown for expedited transfers, which is some 25 minutes at 500m-¦.
I export my P2 production in low-sec completely through command center launches. Eliminates the risk of getting caught at the POCO. Not that it was big before, I just save myself the effort of going through all the bookmarks.
Sure, but that only allows for export, which is a limitation and launches aren't free either.
I may be a girl but be careful, I bite. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4597
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 09:46:00 -
[13] - Quote
Is this another thread where the OP makes a case regarding something he doesnt like but cannot accept;
1) That there may be holes in his inital hypothesis but refuses to accept it
and/or
2) That there are solutions, but these would require the OP to leave their comfort zone and so are being resisted?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Prince Kobol
1791
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 10:34:00 -
[14] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour.... Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?
Are you dinsdale in disguise? |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
10
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 10:42:00 -
[15] - Quote
Its ccp's latest effort to make empire wars more attractive, and to encourage people to join corporations
I have no problem with this.
TAX rate too high? get out the clobbering stick or move to a WH :) |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1698
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 10:48:00 -
[16] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:but WH's are out of the question for me. As an industrialist and a trader I want to know in what system I am going to wake up the next morning....
It's not really all that bad.
We own one WH with a static highsec entry/exit and the system rotates through each of the empires on about a 4-day basis. In most cases, it's no more than 6 jumps to one of the major trade hubs and if you want a particular hub, you just wait for the rotation to reach the relevant empire.
Sometimes the distance is only 1 or 2 jumps out of the WH entrance.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
191
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 10:52:00 -
[17] - Quote
I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4598
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 10:56:00 -
[18] - Quote
Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.
In what way?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1698
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:02:00 -
[19] - Quote
Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play.
PI is only a solo play option at this stage.
I hope when they get around to iterating it again that they actually introduce some cooperative play aspects.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Prince Kobol
1791
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:08:00 -
[20] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. PI is only a solo play option at this stage. I hope when they get around to iterating it again that they actually introduce some cooperative play aspects.
PI is only solo play.. you sure about that?
Pretty sure that most Custom Offices which is a major part of PI are owned by corps which if my memory is correct, is a group of players.
Group of Players owning a Custom Office
Custom offices major part of PI
Solo play...
hmmm
confused.... |
Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:13:00 -
[21] - Quote
It does promote teamwork and social atmosphere in the game. Many corps who have customs offices up are recruiting. The Forge is dominated but larger groups by not all regions are like that. You might consider joining one of the corps that controls custom offices. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
191
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:18:00 -
[22] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. In what way?
Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1944
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:19:00 -
[23] - Quote
If you don't like the taxes then blow them up and put your own down.. Or pay someone else to blow them up.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2259
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:22:00 -
[24] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. PI is only a solo play option at this stage. I hope when they get around to iterating it again that they actually introduce some cooperative play aspects. PI is only solo play.. you sure about that? Pretty sure that most Custom Offices which is a major part of PI are owned by corps which if my memory is correct, is a group of players. Group of Players owning a Custom Office Custom offices major part of PI Solo play... hmmm confused....
not to mention pooling resources / production lines to help offset the costs of doing other corp-y things (e.g. setting up a POS).
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4599
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:35:00 -
[25] - Quote
Dragon Outlaw wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. In what way? Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.
Sorry, but I dont understand why you are unable to put your own POCO up
I dont see what the big deal is
Its not a nerf, its just more expensive in the wrong circumstances
Like all commodities
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
1052
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:38:00 -
[26] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Then move.
If you ar not happy with the taxes, go find a place where you are happy,
I was happy with the taxes and the corps that had the Custom Offices for the planets I used....but guess what....they changed.... This is what happends when you put things like this in the hands of the players. I guess at least now they can blame the players themselves for nerfing P.I.
Have you tried talking to the new owners?
Everytime my planets take on a new outsourced tax collection regime i contact the CEO and discuss tax rates. since the change my high sec taxes have been lower than they were previously. (the tax lowering skill trained to 4). I have had to talk to 3 corps since the change.
It has been a buff to high sec PI.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1152
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 11:59:00 -
[27] - Quote
Magnus Orly wrote:...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour.... Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right?
So do what you're supposed to do in EVE... destroy them, put up you own, profit until the next person comes along. |
Prince Kobol
1791
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 12:10:00 -
[28] - Quote
Dragon Outlaw wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. In what way? Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way.
You do realise you have just contradicted yourself.
"Doing PI is solo play"
"owning the poco favors "group" playing"
Custom Offices and PI are part of the same thing. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
191
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 12:17:00 -
[29] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Magnus Orly wrote:...be a ninja-nerf to Planetary Interaction. Lets face it. We are paying more tax nowdays to get the fruit of our labour.... Only the giant corporations are gaining anything from this right? So do what you're supposed to do in EVE... destroy them, put up you own, profit until the next person comes along.
This could work for a few pocos...until a bigger group decides they not gona let you. I saw Usurper the other day get stomped by Shadow Cartel somewhere in Genesis. Userper, a significant sized entity was trying (i guess) to "grow" their poco network. Shadow Cartel decided they would put a stop to it.
You can try to take down some player owned pocos to put yours....but on the long run, bigger groups will always have their say to it. And there is not much a solo player (or small group) will be able to do much against this.
So the "do what you're supposed to do in EVE"....is team UP. Then destroy! |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
191
|
Posted - 2014.05.28 12:27:00 -
[30] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:I do not think CCP nerfed PI . I think CCP are slowly nerfing solo play. In what way? Doing PI is solo play. But owning the poco favors "group" playing.... PI still exist but....the fact that HS pocos are now mostly owned by group of players that now control how much they "take" from you when you do your PI, I consider this a nerf. Not a big nerf but still a nerf in some way. You do realise you have just contradicted yourself. "Doing PI is solo play" "owning the poco favors "group" playing" Custom Offices and PI are part of the same thing.
No I didn't. POCOs were not owned by players before. You were not subject to other players taxing you. Now you are! Before CCP made the POCOs players owned, a player deciding to do Pi could "predict" how both elements could affect him. Now one of those elements (the POCOs) have become a factor to "deal" with.
By the way, I am not complaining about this. Just stating my view on how CCP affected PI with their changes, specially for solo players! |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |