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Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.31 05:52:00 -
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Greg Erata wrote:Based on my projections I assume the described FW method is indeed far and away the easiest and fastest method of gaining cal/amarr OR min/gal standing (assuming one is not concerned with the losses to the opposing factions).
I just looked at my alt I did this with a while back and here's some actual data:
* Social IV, Connections and Security Connections III
* all faction started at 0
* it only required 17 Minmatar Tier 4 L4/L5 mission turnins to get to 5.0 TLIB standing
* this took my Minmatar Republic standing up to just under 4
* amarr empire and ammatar mandate went down to just under -2
I was paying roughly 40-45M ISK per mission, and the mission runners would bring back about 6 at a time. I ended up with about 35k LP per mission. So, I spent roughly 725M ISK and ended up with about 600k LP, call it 600M ISK at 1k/lp when I sell it all.
Now, this was just to 5.0 TLIB and just under 4 republic so not all the way, but you should be able to buy all the way up to 7-8 Republic with this method as the gains increase at each promo, as noted above.
I would estimate the total time to get to that point as less than an hour in militia chat. Which is a horrible way to spend an hour, but not as horrible as grinding normal faction gains. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
26477
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Posted - 2014.05.31 07:59:00 -
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Doesn't matter what you all say, the OP stated that his character is strictly a Trade character. I still stand by my original statement that doing Factional Warfare for him is a no-go.
Also since you all were so busy doing a gang bang on me about how FW players gain Faction standing you missed the main point of my reply :
The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.05.31 08:18:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you all say, the OP stated that his character is strictly a Trade character. I still stand by my original statement that doing Factional Warfare for him is a no-go.
Also since you all were so busy doing a gang bang on me about how FW players gain Faction standing you missed the main point of my reply :
The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
DMC
I'm just surprised you're so wrong on this one because you are usually right :) |
fudface
ACME-INC
50
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Posted - 2014.05.31 08:50:00 -
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i came to eve for the sole purpose of trading on the mineral market, i started trading trit and pye, mexallon, isogen and zydrine from sobaseki station, its only 1 jump to 3 different regions so i just podded from station to station where i traded for a few days or weeks, i didnt train anything for 3 months, i didnt work on standing or trying to reduce my tax or broker fees, i didnt feel that i needed any of it to trade, i dont haul i just right click and sell.
when it was pointed out to me (from a hisec ganker who popt me) i started training with his advice and started building my corp/faction standing by doing distribution missions. to my mind level 3 distribution missions are the fastest way to build corp standing and every 16 missions done gives you a story line mission to build faction standing.
the rest they say is history.
eve wont be won by pilots in space shooting each other, its the traders who will win eve. economic warfare, market pvp, and the wonderful world of OCD and spreadsheets
my 2 isk worth 
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
26482
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Posted - 2014.05.31 09:06:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you all say, the OP stated that his character is strictly a Trade character. I still stand by my original statement that doing Factional Warfare for him is a no-go.
Also since you all were so busy doing a gang bang on me about how FW players gain Faction standing you missed the main point of my reply :
The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
DMC I'm just surprised you're so wrong on this one because you are usually right :) Heh, I'll bet my wallet I can gain a hell of a lot more Faction standing in less time with Data Center Agents than you can running Factional Warfare missions.
If you think otherwise then you obviously don't know very much about this game.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.05.31 10:45:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Miriya Zakalwe wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you all say, the OP stated that his character is strictly a Trade character. I still stand by my original statement that doing Factional Warfare for him is a no-go.
Also since you all were so busy doing a gang bang on me about how FW players gain Faction standing you missed the main point of my reply :
The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
DMC I'm just surprised you're so wrong on this one because you are usually right :) Heh, I'll bet my wallet I can gain a hell of a lot more Faction standing in less time with Data Center Agents than you can running Factional Warfare missions. If you think otherwise then you obviously don't know very much about this game. DMC
It's actually almost the same mechanism. You're buying tags for turnin, I'm buying completed missions from mission runners. The difference is, I can do it all in a chat room, I do not even have to undock (last time I did them you had to actually go to the data center sites, and they had a turnin limit for some of them), and it's faster up to a limit (probably between 7 and 8) for empire faction - you could easily do 0-8 in 1-2 hours.
The disadvantages are it trashes the other factions and until you sell the LP off it is more expensive.
But there's no way it is slower than data center agents, and if you get lucky when there's a lot of mission runners finishing up, it could theoretically take you from 0-8 in less than 15 minutes.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
788
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Posted - 2014.05.31 19:02:00 -
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Miriya Zakalwe wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Miriya Zakalwe wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Doesn't matter what you all say, the OP stated that his character is strictly a Trade character. I still stand by my original statement that doing Factional Warfare for him is a no-go.
Also since you all were so busy doing a gang bang on me about how FW players gain Faction standing you missed the main point of my reply :
The fastest way to gain Faction standing for a non-combat character is to do the Data Center Tag missions. Don't need any combat skills or combat ship, just ISK.
DMC I'm just surprised you're so wrong on this one because you are usually right :) Heh, I'll bet my wallet I can gain a hell of a lot more Faction standing in less time with Data Center Agents than you can running Factional Warfare missions. If you think otherwise then you obviously don't know very much about this game. DMC It's actually almost the same mechanism. You're buying tags for turnin, I'm buying completed missions from mission runners. The difference is, I can do it all in a chat room, I do not even have to undock (last time I did them you had to actually go to the data center sites, and they had a turnin limit for some of them), and it's faster up to a limit (probably between 7 and 8) for empire faction - you could easily do 0-8 in 1-2 hours. The disadvantages are it trashes the other factions and until you sell the LP off it is more expensive. But there's no way it is slower than data center agents, and if you get lucky when there's a lot of mission runners finishing up, it could theoretically take you from 0-8 in less than 15 minutes.
This. And last time I did data centers, I almost invariably hit a point where I had to go do something else to unlock the next level of data centers. I could only see data centers being faster for very small quantities of standing.
Just extrapolating from my own bumps, which I posted earlier - and I only have social 3, but the fact that the decimal is the exact same value every time leads me to believe that it doesn't actually apply to the promotion adjustments. It WOULD apply to corporation standings, though, which will amount to faster promotions.
Applying these as ((10-current)*adjustment) + current
If You started at 0.0:
Rank 1: 0 - Standing: 0.0
Rank 2: 4.4198% Standing: 0.44198
Rank 3: 6.4198% Standing: 1.055585768
Rank 4: 8.4198% Standing: 1.808687557
Rank 5: 10.4198% Standing: 2.662205931
Rank 6: 12:4198% Standing: 3.573545279
Rank 7: 14.4198% Standing: 4.500227197
Rank 8: 16.4198% Standing: 5.403278892
Rank 9: 18.4198% Standing: 6.249985726
Rank 10: 20.4198% Standing: 7.015731141
Run them yourself and it's very, very fast and you're going to come away with something like 1 - 2 billion in your pocket from the LP, varying by faction..
Pay for someone else's handins and there's absolutely no comparison between this and anything else in the game.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
26485
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Posted - 2014.05.31 21:27:00 -
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First off, it's not the same. There is basically no time spent turning in tags at Data Centers.
Obviously you didn't do the Data Centers correctly if you 'Hit a bump' and had to do something else to continue turning in tags. Having the Social skill trained to level 3 is a noob mistake at best. Not training up the Connections skill just compounds that mistake as well.
Now if any 'Bump' was actually encountered, it could have easily been bypassed just by turning in tags to the Allied Faction which gives derived Faction standing increase to the original Faction. Like I said, you obviously didn't do it correctly.
I understand you guys are all gung ho for FW, however you seem reluctant to acknowledge the fact that just joining FW automatically makes you an enemy target to others. Definitely not good for a newly created low skilled non combat trade/market character. Whereas if just doing Data Center tags it will take quite a while to become an enemy target.
Anyway, I don't appreciate the sarcastic troll replies or the insinuations that I don't know anything about Faction standings. Any more troll remarks will be reported.
FYI - I wrote the book on how to repair negative Faction standings which can also be used to boost positive Faction standings. 'The Plan' has been confirmed by the majority of the Eve Online Community to be the easiest and quickest way. In fact I have all 4 major Empires well over +7.00 Faction standing with all minor Factions over +5.00 standing. The only negative standings I have are with Pirate Factions which I will soon be fixing.
So stop trying to imply that I don't know anything about Faction standings.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
788
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Posted - 2014.05.31 21:35:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I understand you guys are all gung ho for FW, however you seem reluctant to acknowledge the fact that just joining FW automatically makes you an enemy target to others.
There's nothing to acknowledge - it's a ridiculous complaint with no worthwhile impact.
You join FW, you sit in a station, you get your standing, you leave FW. At no point in this process are you at risk of being pewpewed. Even the most ridiculous pearl-clutching bedwetter of a carebear should be able to handle it. 
Quote:FYI - I wrote the book on how to repair negative Faction standings which can also be used to boost positive Faction standings.
It's probably time for a revised edition, then, 'cause man does FW win bigtime.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Nova Serine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.06.01 03:22:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Google COSMOS missions for some help with this goal..
Wow, I never knew about COSMOS... most excellent!
Two rolls of duct tape; one for my ship, and the other for unruly ride-alongs. |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
148
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:13:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:First off, it's not the same. There is basically no time spent turning in tags at Data Centers.
There is no time doing *anything* for buying FW mission turnin, similarly. You are buying tags, we're saying to buy sharing turnins. All you do is ask in chat and they fleet you up. You never even undock, and there are nearly always mission runners completing missions.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Obviously you didn't do the Data Centers correctly if you 'Hit a bump' and had to do something else to continue turning in tags.
Have they changed it so you can do data center agents more than once each? Because that's a hell of a speedbump.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Anyway, I don't appreciate the sarcastic troll replies or the insinuations that I don't know anything about Faction standings. Any more troll remarks will be reported.
You are really incredibly and humorously defensive about this. No one implied anything of the sort. I for one even said it surprised me you are wrong on this because you are usually right, up above.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
So stop trying to imply that I don't know anything about Faction standings.
No one ever did.
It seems you have a very difficult time being incorrect about something, even minor. If you feel the need to report me saying that, please go ahead.
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Whyi Be Sad
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.03 02:26:00 -
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Can someone clue me in about where to go or who to talk to about sharing the FW mission turn-ins for rank/faction standing and is ~50million isk enough to make it happen? I've been trading a few weeks and just discovered this tax deduction stuff. I already have social, accounting, and broker relationship trained up. I was going to start buying dog tags for cosmos datacenters, but I priced them out today and they're kind of expensive. I totaled up the cost from sell orders in jita and it was something like 1.4 billion for all the required amarr and caldari tags.
Just wondering where I can begin or if I should just save up more isk first. I started doing some distribution missions, but it's real slow and tedious. :( |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
817
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:23:00 -
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Whyi Be Sad wrote:Can someone clue me in about where to go or who to talk to about sharing the FW mission turn-ins for rank/faction standing and is ~50million isk enough to make it happen? I've been trading a few weeks and just discovered this tax deduction stuff. I already have social, accounting, and broker relationship trained up. I was going to start buying dog tags for cosmos datacenters, but I priced them out today and they're kind of expensive. I totaled up the cost from sell orders in jita and it was something like 1.4 billion for all the required amarr and caldari tags.
Just wondering where I can begin or if I should just save up more isk first. I started doing some distribution missions, but it's real slow and tedious. :(
You can probably find someone just asking in militia chat once you've joined the appropriate faction, however you're going to need more money than that. Pricing will vary but you're essentially paying for the loyalty points that get split, so you need to pay a competitive rate for the LP. The amount of LP per mission and the isk/lp is going to vary by faction.
On the plus side, though, you will be able to recoup much/most of the expense after the fact by cashing out the LP you've accrued for yourself, so while you will need a lot more than 50 million up front, your total expense will ultimately be far less than that.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Whyi Be Sad
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:42:00 -
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Can you give a ballpark figure of how much I should be saving for it? |
Miriya Zakalwe
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
148
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:24:00 -
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I posted some actual numbers up in:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4658144#post4658144
Tl;dr, my alt spent 725M to go from 0-3.5 empire (5.3 corp), got about 650M worth of LP to sell, so total cost maybe 75M. Took less than an hour, never undocked, and this was not at a peak time.
Using this method it should be easy to go to about 7.0 empire; then you probably could do the same in the allied militia and take them both to 10 via related faction gains.
After that, the opposing factions will be trashed; you can fix them via tags. DMC wrote the definitive guide to fixing faction. Contrary to his above posts, no one is trying to play down the effectiveness of the techniques in his article - they work great. |
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