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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:03:00 -
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Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones. Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low
Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O
Thank you in advance! Ferox #1 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:28:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Imajitaaltofanalt ofanalt wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I like your support of the Naga, Grath. But I have a question for you! Not that I am saying you are wrong I am just curious to why the Naga and Talos do not have exactly the same damage since they both use the same weapons and have a 5% damage bonus? :o
I want one sooo bad D: talos does 1200 dps for me, naga 710, talos has crap tank, naga has good buffer. naga is faster, talos has drones. Tbh, naga is a mean blaster boat... talos needs one less mid and one more low Naga does 710 with rails while the Talos does 1200 with blasters or what? I don't want your DPS number D: I want it explained why two ships with the same weapons and the same number of those weapons and the same damage bonus will do different amounts of damage o_O Thank you in advance!
One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately
One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.
If this SISI build is the final one OC.
Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters. |
Songbird
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:28:00 -
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Augustus Royal wrote:(I doubt this post will have any weight on this thread and it might make delicious troll bait... but)
As a relatively new EVE player (read tons about the game for a few years before trying), and as a pilot that focuses on Missiles...
I am disappoint :(
missiles have that effect on people - train gunnery for proper satisfaction. |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:36:00 -
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Damn, guess all I have left is the 100MN AB Tornado and the Sniper Oracle.
Poor Naga is ruined before its even released.
Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:39:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
One is meant to dmg over time, one is meant to blow or die immediately
One is meant to shield tank and have good dps/tank, one is intended to armor tank but it's so crapy the only way you can make it work properly is to shield fit it, making the last one nothing interesting useful for other purpose than gank.
If this SISI build is the final one OC.
Edit: 1 TE 4 MFS in lows help a lot to get those 1200dps but you'll have less than 20K EHP before fleet bonus, implants, boosters.
Sigh... I do not want to know what one has or what it does O_________________O What I want to know is why with the same weapons does one do more damage? Are you fitting more damage mods on the Talos? enough to increase its DPS by 500? What is the -reason- that the Talos does 500 more DPS when they have the same weapons and bonuses.
I do not know if I am not explaining this right or if someone just does not know the answer :|
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:39:00 -
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Is the Naga [x] dead to you [ ] still excited for it
Basically it's just a stealth boost to Gallente pilots that can already field battleships as training Caldari Cruiser IV is peanuts compared to training Large Railgun Specialization.
Many if not most Caldari pilots use autocannons instead of hybrids on some of their ships and/or have trained Amarr/Minmatar ships to get some versatility. |
crazy Maken
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:52:00 -
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@Kietay
The reason why the Talos does more damage is because it is a blaster platform ie. short range, high damage. The naga is now a rail platform ie. long range, less damage. |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:06:00 -
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Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :| Ferox #1 |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:22:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Ok... so when people say the Talos does more damage its because they have blasters and not rails fitted to it -__- that is a ridiculous comparison. The Naga can fit Blasters as well :|
Ship bonus? -slots layout?
You have to look at it has a whole, not just some eft/pyfa numbers.
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Feyrin
Contracts Inc Property Management Solutions
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:46:00 -
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Amarr pilot here, training large projectiles currently. Will start training large rails once complete for the naga. Cry all you want but the naga is excellent now for its intended role. At 100km you are still fairly safe from on grid probing and the sustained damage the naga deals is great. Sorry to the missile only caldari players but rails are your weapon system, be glad you have a new ship the can use them well. |
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:07:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:ITT a bunch of people complain that the naga got a boost that makes it arguably the best sniping ship in the game.
Being best at something not used doesn't really amount to much, long range sniping was killed by probing, mid-range sniping is dominated by arties because alpha strike |
oldmanst4r
oldmanst4r's Corporation
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:00:00 -
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Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!! |
Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:04:00 -
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oldmanst4r wrote:Hi I am Naga fleet, I am cheap and do F**Ktons of dps. I am BETTR THAN DRAEK FLEET!!!
Hi Im a tornado , i have enough buddies to instapopp you anytime anywhere. |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:09:00 -
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So what!? Oracal (Tach) can insta pop sh!t too. |
TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:24:00 -
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caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:15:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game.
You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:56:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Doesn't the Tengu have a hybrid subsystem?
Its pretty underwhelming, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was the least used sub system in game. You're right. I have NEVER seen a tengu with hybrids....ever. I've seen more tengus with tractor beems fitted. Maybe after Crucible I might see one or two on rare occassions. You know, with the hybrid changes, having a subsystem that gives 5% damage but 20%.. yes 20% optimal per level might be workable.
I'm at work so can't EFT this or whathaveyou:
[Tengrail] Supplemental Screening Dissolution Sequencer Power Core Multiplier Magnetic Infusion Basin Fuel Catalyst
That gives you 6/6/4, I'm not sure if you can fir 6 250s or if you'd need to use 200s. I'll find out when I get home. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:08:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:From what they're saying, CCP has nerfed the torpedos right out of the Naga, rendering it solely a gunboat now. Personally, my only interest in it was as a torpedo platform... with this change I personally have completely lost interest in the ship. This isn't a whine or complaint... it simply isn't a direction I wish to go in.
How about the rest of you... you prefer the Naga as solely a gunboat, or are your dreams of a torpedo launcher now as dead as your interest in the ship?
Kinda excited... I was gonna use the Hype for sniping (8 turrets, 5% damage) but the Naga makes it obsolete. (8 turrets, 5% damage, 10% optimal). Probably the best sniper in the entire game.
-Liang |
Eva Blacklist
Tax Free Corporation II
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:11:00 -
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For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:29:00 -
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Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened. |
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:44:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS
Your logic is faulty.
I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari.
Caldari is the best race for PVP. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:46:00 -
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Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base.
The Naga is now competitive instead of another lolCaldari ship.
CCP has listened to a long neglected, much larger part of its playerbase and a huge part of Caldari/Gallente gameplay.
You don't know this because you started playing eve around the time hybrids became completely useless.
I don't know how to explain this.. it's like trying to explain life before the internet to a person under 20. There's a whole big part of Caldari and Gallente playstyles that has been left behind and finally brought to the forefront.
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Princess Cellestia
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:49:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened.
Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out. Bout the only place you'll see these is low sec gatecamps for sniping industrials. The torp naga was an awesome anti-battleship/anti-cap platform. As for the idea of using these things to do missions or to rat, good luck, the second you get hit with a scram/web frig you're dead, period. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
130
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:51:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP.
Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
Rodents of Unusual Size
26
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:00:00 -
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Well, I went from being able to fly it with my caldari toon perfectly to not at all. Do I really care? Probably not because the torp raven I fly will do the same job as a torp naga but better (short of slower align).
I will miss flying the new ship just because it's new. May use one as my high sec taxi for a little while slow boat afking around. |
Cambarus
Clearly Compensating
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:19:00 -
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Princess Cellestia wrote:Cambarus wrote:Eva Blacklist wrote:For me,the excitement of the expansion was the Naga plus torpedoes. To be frank, if I wanted a gun-based boat it would be the Oracle (which is major sexy). It appears the management of CCP continues to be out-of-touch with a part of its player base. Quite the opposite, the naga was by far the worst tier 3 bc, now it isn't. People pointed out that the split weapon system was terrible, and CCP listened. Listened the wrong way though, should have stuck with torps. Sniping is dead, at 100 you're still well within range of arties and just a few shots and you're dead, way before you do any real damage to an enemy, past 100, you're still screwed because you'll get probed out. Bout the only place you'll see these is low sec gatecamps for sniping industrials. The torp naga was an awesome anti-battleship/anti-cap platform. As for the idea of using these things to do missions or to rat, good luck, the second you get hit with a scram/web frig you're dead, period. The effects of probing are lessened considerably by the fact that the tier 3 BCs align much quicker than BSs. What's more is that the whole torp idea was terrible to begin with, you're a shield tanked ship, made of paper, that has to get into megapulse optimal in order to hit anything...
And all this whining from people who fly caldari and don't have gunnery skills is hilarious. Not training hybrids as caldari is like not training drones as gallente. You don't get to whine because CCP boosted a caldari ship in a way that entails using hybrids over missiles. |
Jimmy Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:37:00 -
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I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
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OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
19
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:52:00 -
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Jimmy Caldari wrote:I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
Answer: Because this was easier for CCP. And yes, they are (as usual) pretty much ******* Caldari pilots. |
Korg Tronix
Heretic Army
8
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:56:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:caldari tears aka carebear tears BEST TEARS Your logic is faulty. I have never PVE'd once since playing this game, and I fly Caldari. Caldari is the best race for PVP. Quote:Combat record for Jude Lloyd
Favourite prey: Battlecruiser Favourite ship: Imperial Navy Slicer
Kills With:
Crow 5 Caldari Navy Hookbill 2 Imperial Navy Slicer 21 Thrasher 1 Cynabal 33
Okie dokie. Then use Caldari more.
I think you should probably look a little deeper than the last month or so, fairly sure Jude has more kills in a Merlin than I have in total.
Anyway Caldari PVP is great, especially on the frigate level |
OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:57:00 -
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Jimmy Caldari wrote:I can use both rails and torps, but i generally prefer missiles in my caldari, i cross trained minmatar for their guns when i realised how terrible hybrids were. In naga i was hoping for a fantastic torp glass cannon, but now all im gonna get is an eagle with big guns. Hybrids are going to be the domain of the talos, why make naga stick with them too?
Answer: Because this was easier for CCP.
And yes, they are (as usual) screwing Caldari pilots. |
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