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Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.06 09:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 06/06/2006 09:04:30 I`m several months old, but I feel that sticking to a cruiser until the proper skills for a BS is in place. I`ve used the caracal most of the game and come to like it very well. I`ve finally gotten some OK fitting skills and are playing around in quickfit to see what will do. Please flame / come with suggestions to my setup? (Sansha rats) High: 5 x Arbalest heavy Mid: Med shieldbooster II Large shield extender II EM passive hardener Cap recharge II Cap recharge II Low: PDU BCU II Dronebay: 1 Hammerhead I
General Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:11:00 - [2] Arti get a Ferox just like evreyone else
Groes Thir	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:15:00 - [3] Sell those cap charger II's and buy a battlecruiser & fit.
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:21:00 - [4] Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50? Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me... Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful!
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:23:00 - [5] You may not be able to break some harder BS tanks with that... you might want to try sniping at range and using more BCS. I'm addicted to shield extended Caracals, but this may not be a place where you want to use one. --Proud member of the [23]-- Ferion kicks major arse.
Groes Thir	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50? Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me... Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful! Those cap charger II's are way too expensive, use eutetics. Wait for the raven, its worth it
Shiraz Merlot	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:25:00 - [7] very very wise not wasting your ISK on a BS until you can fly it properly. get a ferox, use the 5xHML/2x250mm config/3xhdner/2xBCS/2xPDS config that everyone fits :) /k
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. I did all my Cycloning with BC 2. You really dont need good skills to rat. A well setup Ferox would be a lot better - as someone says, it would be cheaper than that Caracal too if that's an issue. Testy's Eve Blog, Updated 01/06/06 Someone sell me an Amarr Alt!
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:35:00 - [9] Thanks for the good replies people! I can kill a double 950k BS spawn with that setup, sometimes i use an alt in a comorant with 150mms and antimatter to speed things up a bit Also, in the area I operate, there is lots of pirates so sniping 80-100 from belt is a real advantage
Lynkon Lawg	Posted - 2006.06.06 14:37:00 - [10] Forgive me if this is obvious, as I am still fairly new...but why the two cap recharge? I fly the caracal and ferox (w/missles) as well, and the only thing I see in your config that is using any cap at all is the shield booster? Does it suck that much energy that it needs the recharges?
zwerg	Posted - 2006.06.06 14:40:00 - [11] caracal is a nice ship your, but your fitting just sucks
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.06 15:00:00 - [12] Originally by: zwerg caracal is a nice ship your, but your fitting just sucks Do elaborate?
Lynkon Lawg	Posted - 2006.06.07 00:13:00 - [13] I'm bouncing this message back up because I really want to know why the cap rechargers!
K1AL	Posted - 2006.06.07 05:25:00 - [14] the cap rechargers would help run the sheild booster i run something similar High: 5 x T2 heavy launchers with thunderbolts Mid: YS-8 AB Med shieldbooster T2 2xanointed EM hardener T2 sensor booster Low: PDU T2 BCU T2 spam at 80-100km to tidy, AB in on the last BS orbit at 40km and then scoop loot.
ArchenTheGreat	Posted - 2006.06.07 08:11:00 - [15] Switch Cap Rechargers II for shield hardeners (choose proper type for rats). Even tech1 will do better than CR2 here.
Novarei	Posted - 2006.06.07 08:41:00 - [16] Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36 Quote: Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting. But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then; HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies) MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit) +-----------------------------------------------+ Join the ninth column today.
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Novarei Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36 Quote: Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting. But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then; HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies) MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit) How can you even get one cycle on the SB with all those Hardeners turned on? The T2 cap recharge lets me run the SB almost twice as long
Shandling	Posted - 2006.06.08 10:07:00 - [18] I 0.0'd in a Caracal for a while. Could fairly easily take down 800k-1mil+ spawns. It would take kiting w/ an AB sometimes (setting maximum range to your.. well.. maximum range) and a bit of warping in and out. Kill cruisers, warp out. Kill BS, warp out. Kill other BS, done. Cheap and kind of effective... but for ratting, get into a Raven ASAP. ;)
Dapha	Posted - 2006.06.08 20:18:00 - [19] Highs: 5x Heavy Missle launchers II (named is you dont have the skills) Mids: 1x Med shield boost II 1x Shield Amp 2x Invunerablity Shields II or drop one and put on a 10mn aftburner 1x Med cap injector (the mids kill your cap pretty fast) Lows: 2x PDU (II's if you really care about the boost bonus in pve - but not really worth it to kill rats) I love the Caracal but I have to agree with most people above - a Ferox would be a better choice, if you get a good size BS/frig spawn you may get torn apart pretty quick. Try it out anyways see how it works for you. I eat clowns
Baalic	Posted - 2006.06.08 23:26:00 - [20] I agree that your setup is terrible. Re: Sansha rats Your ship gets a bonus to kinetic damage. Sanshas have high kinetic resists. You would be much better off hunting something with low kinetic resists like Serpentis. Sanshas do EM and Thermal damage. Shields two worst resists are EM and Thermal and you are shield tanking against them. Consider armor tanking or finding rats which do Explostive and Kinetic damage. Re: Cap recharge II x2 Your shield booster II repairs about 30 damage per second. Your passive regen is up to 10 per second. Your cap rechargers are increasing your cap recharge by 36% which in turn allows you to repair 36% more damage with your booster before you run out of power. If you put in 1 EM and 1 Thermal hardener you would take 1/2 as much damage meaning you would need to repair half as much damage. This also doubles the effectiveness of your passive regen which continues even after you are out of cap. Hardeners are clearly better. Re: Hammerhead Hammerhead does thermal damage, Sanshas lowest resist is EM. You should be using an Infiltrator.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... In my cara i get 75km, in the ferox, what? 45-50? Also the ferox has a huge sig, so the NPC BS really bbq me... Not so many weeks left before i can fit a T2 Raven anyway I just like to mod the caracal... incredibly powerful! My Ferox can hit 80km with heavies, but my caracal can hit 100km. A Caracal with t2 heavy launchers and some BCUs will outdamage a ferox, or be damn close to out dpsing a missile ferox, and you'll be more agile.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Originally by: Novarei Edited by: Novarei on 07/06/2006 08:45:36 Quote: Hehe... I`ve got a Ferox as well, but i wanna go straight for BS, so i will not train BC skill to 4. Besides, caldari ships in sansha space, you wanna stay at a range... I dont want to be harsh, but thats only because you're in a caracal, and a badly fitted one at that. Also BC to just lvl 3 will take you in the hours, BC 3 is enough for your ferox to make a mockery of the caracal in 0.0 ratting. But if you're dead set on sticking with the caracal then; HIGH: 5x XR3200 (bang for your buck is better than arbies) MED: 1x EM hardner, 2x Rat specific hardners, 1x Large Shield Extender II, 1x T2 med shield booster LOW: 1x BCU II, 1x PDU II Thats what i run when npcing in caracal, some might say that 2x BCU II would be better in lows, but i'm not sure on the CPU use for that or if it will fit (at work so cant check in game or quickfit) How can you even get one cycle on the SB with all those Hardeners turned on? The T2 cap recharge lets me run the SB almost twice as long With 50% hardeners, you'd run the booster half as much, maybe less. You get 2x em, 1x therm for tanking laser NPCs and your booster usage will go way the hell down. My Ferox setup though, if you go Ferox: x5 Heavy T2 x2 200mm carbine rail 3x large shield extender II 2x hardener, usually kin/therm, but can drop an extender for 3rd hardener if need be. x2 bcu II x2 shield relay 5x light drones Takes any lvl 3 like a joke, and some level 4s. Can kill the duo of death lvl 4 npcs without any realy problem, and ofcourse there are implants to help. You will be able to fit most of what I listed by the time you have proper BS skills.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.06.09 00:22:00 - [23] For 800k Rat Spawns.. 5 heavy launchers. 1 AB(best you can) 1 Cap booster(Best you can) 2 nano's. Orbit at your max range. Pound them from there. Keep your transversal up. That's the important thing. Don't use Sheild extenders. As nice as they are, each one increases your sig radius. Take our Frigates/cruisers first. They can move fast enough to get inside your orbit range. Then pound on teh BS's. I can break 800K ones, but not 950K ones.. :) The Brotherhood of Light. Small Corp. Big Fun.
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.22 11:51:00 - [24] Yesterday, I broke 2 x 950 and 3 x 225 cruisers in the same belt with that last setup. No warping out. Those Acolytes really help chewing thru those fast cruisers
Grainsalt	Posted - 2006.06.22 12:18:00 - [25] My own ratting AND PvP (fleet) 0.0 caracal is similar... This is my Tesco's Value version that I built from loot. High: 5 x Arby Heavies (or XR's) Mid: 1 x Azetropic Large Shield Extender 1 x Medium Shield Booster (c5-l) 2 x Passive Hardeners 1 x Barton CAP Recharger Low: 2 x BCs Means I can take a lot of damage and tank a few BS's. --- For T2 Tinfoil Hats, contact Grainsalt ingame.
zoondab	Posted - 2006.06.23 19:10:00 - [26] Why not just buy a Raven? It is easier and quicker. Ratting will allow it to pay for itself very quickly and you dont need a lot of skills. Use it to make ISK while you train up the "proper skills for a BS"
ChaosCow PSA	Posted - 2006.06.23 20:24:00 - [27] I ratted long enough in my caracal taking on every spawn i came across except for the 1.7 grand admirals becuase they just take way too long to break their tank but i've done it a few times. here's the cheap set up i used. 5 malkuth heavy missile launchers (scourge missiles) Med shield booster named, afterburner, thermal hardener, sensor booster. I actually had a dif set up with a large shield extender as well, but i dont remember what i did for that. 2 bcu' in the lows I ratted forever with this out in fountain and it worked great. I earned enough for a cerberus back when they were 195m the day b4 they jumped to 250 and up. Cerb worx great for ratting out in 0.0 as well, but nothing for caldari is better than the raven with siege missile launchers! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Arkanjuca	Posted - 2006.06.24 11:23:00 - [28] Sure, but in fountain we get serpentis as npc, thats ok as they have poor kin resist and does thermal/kin as dmg. This guy up there is fighting sanshas "It,s a good day do flight"
AshFighter	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:13:00 - [29] What is PDU and CPU or that low slots, cuz im new and im trying to fit Bounty Hunter
Silas Genovese	Posted - 2006.07.09 10:47:00 - [30] PDU (should be PDS) = Power Diagnostic Unit (system) BCU/S = Ballistic Control Unit (system)
D One	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:18:00 - [31] Edited by: D One on 09/07/2006 11:19:17 As a few others have mentioned, you'd be way better off taking 25 mil and buying a ferox. It may seem like a setback when you're saving up for that uber raven setup, but you'll earn isk so much faster that it's totaly worth it. And the best part is that your current skills are all you need to fly a ferox quite well. All ya need is a level or two in battlecruisers. There's really no point in ratting in a caracal for isk out in 0.0. It's a fun challenge, and something any cruiser lover should try. But battlecruisers are definately better when you want isk. They can even be easier to make isk in than a battleship if you take the time to raise that battlecruiser skill.
Audrea	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Silas Genovese PDU (should be PDS) = Power Diagnostic Unit (system) BCU/S = Ballistic Control Unit (system) lol, I for one will forever call them PDU/BCU/RCU. I refuse to adapt to the stupid theme change CCP made, without any reason ------------------ If you are tired of fleet combat lag, post HERE All posts are my personal opinions.
Azuse	Posted - 2006.07.09 11:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 22/06/2006 11:49:28 Edited by: Arthur McFredric on 06/06/2006 09:04:30 I`m several months old, but I feel that sticking to a cruiser until the proper skills for a BS is in place. I`ve used the caracal most of the game and come to like it very well. I`ve finally gotten some OK fitting skills and are playing around in quickfit to see what will do. Please flame / come with suggestions to my setup? (Sansha rats) High: 5 x Arbalest heavy Mid: Med shieldbooster II Large shield extender II EM passive hardener Cap recharge II Cap recharge II Low: PDU BCU II Dronebay: 1 Hammerhead I EDIT: Alternate setup added: 5 Arbalest Heavy 3 active EM hardeners 1 active Thermal hardeners Small shieldbooster BCU II Nano 2 Acolyte II also with good results, as i try and stay @ my range only the EM cruise missiles really hit me. oh dear, i expect your sick of hearing it but put a lvl or 2 in bc ffs. Most cruisers are adequate for 0.0 ratting when fited properly but it's waaaayyy too slow, with raven skills you should be abel to fit this. 5 x XR launchers Med booster, 3 rat specific hardeners (passsive) and a seneor booster becuse, new or not your millels will be flying further than you can lock 2 X BCUII 3 light drones, again rat specific but take warriors if your concerend about intys. Now, the ferox. 5 X xr launchers, tractor beam + 1 free, i use noss to mess up tackelers (you never know) 3 X large extender II, 2 X hardeners II, rat specific (EM/Therm) 2 X BCUII, 2 X shield fulx coils should give you a 35/40% boost on recharge) 5 light drones (Acloytes) You'll bring isk in much faster in a half decent bc and be less likly to be attacked. Your missel skills may mean you'll need a sb but range really isnt a problem given the rediculous recharge of the shield.
MegabitOne Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2006.08.17 06:04:00 - [34] It's not as much that the setup is wrong, much has to do with the way one attacks the npc's. I use a T1 cara and kill double-BS, tripple-support spawns in 00 with it. It takes you a while, but can be done even without sweating. Warp to belt at distance (60km or more), fly towards the rats and finish the support ships (usually 2 to 4 frigs/cruisers). They don't do much damage, so your shields don't get hit much. The BS's will want to come closer to hit you, but they lock is slow and that gives you the time to kill the support. Once the support is down, the BS's will be firing. If you stay at range, you're dead ;-) Solution: use the tactical scanner to see how far out the belt towards you the BS's flew to counter you. You may be at 50km from the belt and the BS's at 30km from you. This means they are 20km out of the belt. Now warp out and warp back in at 20km, so you warp on top of them. Start locking and firing immediately and AB towards one of them. Let the AB run and orbit at 2000m around the first BS. Now you can kill it without even being hit by it because you're flying too fast for its turrets to track. What about the other one? I empirically found out it usually closes in to help it's mate -> bad decision :-) You will only occasionally get hit by that one, always tankable. Once you finished the first one, AB to the second one, orbit, fire, scoop loot ;-) My technique: warp in at distance, kill support, warp out, warp on top of BS('es), orbit Nr 1, kill Nr1, rince and repeat for Nr2... Have to say: this was against Serpentis, but I guess a similar technique should work for other rats too. Last tip: if you can't warp on top of them or AB/MWD towards them before they start shooting: get the hell out or you'll be omgwtfbbq'd. --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway! -= In God we trust, all the others pay cash =-
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:08:00 - [35] realy get a ferox ... if you insist on the caracal, fit something like this (I think sansha do em/therm, never fought them :-): 5 heavy launcher 1 invul field, em hardener, therm hardener, large t2 extender, sensor booster 2 bcu (or pds, bcu) I don't know if sanshas shoot defenders (angels do a lot), but you should get close to your target and orbit it. this way he can't shoot down your missiles and you avoid most of his turret fire still ... Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Gladius Bear NED-Clan R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:06:00 - [36] 5x heavy 1x sensorbooster 1x large extender, 3x racial jammer 2x bcs warp in at 80 and have fun.
Twilight Moon Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:30:00 - [37] You're fighting Sanshas? Take off the CPR II's and make use of the Cap Booster charges that Sanshas drop by sticking a good named Cap Booster in, and possbly a Shield Boost Amp. Should give you more cap/sec than the rechargers do. ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Shinshi Casoyako	Posted - 2006.08.17 08:35:00 - [38] pop goes the caracal. Sansha beastlord might be popable (the 500k dude, long time since I hunted there) Sansha tyrant will make you pop, espceialy if he has 2 overlords with him. I could not tank them properly in a armor tanked raven. And I recon armor tanked raven is far better there than a shield tanked one. . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online?
MrRon	Posted - 2006.08.17 15:01:00 - [39] Caracal is awsome cruiser..I use it to rat in 0.0 against Guristas so use T2 active kin hardner..but swap out for the main dmg type ya fighting against.. 5 Assaults 3 Large Extenders T2, Hardner(s)/T2 Sensor Booster 2 BCU'S Can tank tank all normal BS swarms..never met officer or Dread Gurista yet..sure it takes time but if ya get caught by ebil pirates well ya only lost 12 mill..well thats only a few BS swarms so no worries.. can swap out active for passive hardners but main thing is you have over 9000 shield..kill all frigs/destroyers cruisers then work on the BS's..as i said it aint quick but it works and it's the no more tears formula if ya get ganked cos you didnt keep an eye on local
Ariel Stardust	Posted - 2006.08.17 16:51:00 - [40] Ahh, why hello there Arthur. Missing that half-fitted Caracal that was stowed in Rephirib?
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire	Posted - 2006.08.17 17:23:00 - [41] Thte concept is nice and all...however by using all that tech 2 gear you negate the money/risk advantage for using a raven. You will be more effective in a raven with tech one fitting then that setup. The insurance for a raven is 30 mil.....how much did all that tech 2 gear cost? not to mention arby Heavies arent that cheap either. If you can use all tech 2 shield mods thne you have the tanking ability. This is my combat alt and at 3 mil SP I was ratting down in omist quite fine. PvP was another story but I would make the insurance money for a raven in an afternoon, because it was so much more efficient. Can you kill triple 1.8 mil spawns in that setup?
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.23 19:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 23/10/2006 19:20:23 My 100% T1 Caracal fitting for 0.0 ratting (Tested on up to 650k spawns) Highs: 5x XR-3200 Heavy Launchers w/Scourge (Arbalests if you're independantly wealthy and can afford to lose roughly 45mil in equipment if you get popped) Mids: 1x Invuln Field I 1x Large CL-5 Emergency Shield boost 1x Active Kinetic Hardener (Named) 1x Passive Thermal Resist enhancer 1x Lg Regolith Shield Extender Lows: 1x PDS 1x BCS Replace most of the above with T2's if you can fit them. This setup WILL work for 0.0 ratting quite well, however, and you will have the DPS (given moderate missile skills) to take out up to 650k BS spawns. Higher if you have better skills/fittings. Note: Use rat specific hardeners as needed. The setup above is for Guristas. EDIT: This build isn't bad for PVP either but swap the Kinetic hardener for an EM Ward if you PVP in it as a DPS Caracal.
Ninkasi Stone Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.01 06:05:00 - [43] I've blown up many a Sansha Battle ship with: 5 x Heavy Missle launchers 1 Large Shield extender 1 10Mn AB 1 Target Painter 1 Sensor booster 1 accessory I felt I couldn't live without du jure 1 BCU 1 PDU (or RCU depending on fitting skills) Obviously use the best named part you can get - but the above will work with T1 standard parts. I was able to hange out of range for the most part (57000 km) and lob heavy missles till it died. The target painter was for the support frigs - they die quick. With the sensor booster I could fire from about 85,000 out. They key to making this work is to distance tank the Sanshas - doesn't work worth a **** on Angels.
Talon Calais Gallente Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.01 09:44:00 - [44] If you sell those Cap Recharger II's you could buy a Ferox, put all the same caracal fittings on it and still come out with more isk than you had prior. Something to think about.
theh15	Posted - 2006.11.01 22:48:00 - [45] Originally by: Arthur McFredric Thanks for the good replies people! I can kill a double 950k BS spawn with that setup, sometimes i use an alt in a comorant with 150mms and antimatter to speed things up a bit Also, in the area I operate, there is lots of pirates so sniping 80-100 from belt is a real advantage u kill bs 0.0 spawns in a characal, u are god!
Laura Briggs	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:27:00 - [46] 0.0 ratting in a caracal is reasonable in areas with rats that are weak to kenetic, i know it works fine against serpentis. The only advantage a ferox has here is its tank and the caracle can tank fine with a tech 2 AB. Also fit 2 tech 2 BCU to take the rats down faster then whatever else you want. You can do it with a tech 1 ab(i have) but you have to be careful with your transversal. Here is the setup i am currently using. I have killed triple 1.4m bs spawns with this no sweat. My missile support skills are all to lvl 4 and lvl 4 heavy missles lvl 4 cruiser. highs: 5 x limos heavy launchers med: tech 1 shield extender 2x tech 2 active hardners(kenetic &thermal) tech1 passive hardner(thermal) tech2 ab low: tech2 bcu Honestly there is probably something better to use in the mid slot other then the passive hardner, but it is the only thing i had available that fit and made any sense. Yes, i could sell the tech 2 stuff and buy a ferox, but i already have a ferox in the hanger and I dont see any advantage a ferox would have over this setup.
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:42:00 - [47] Ferox has an advantage over expensive setups of caracal. It's much cheaper, tanks better. However it has less DPS than caracal esp. when using kinetic missiles. Tech1 raven is even better. You can t1 fit raven let say for 10M, insurance costs 32M. So if you loose raven it is 42M. Moreover you usually don't loose raven to rats. Caracals are much easier to loose. So every setup of caracal that costs more than 42M is useless. Raven is far better for ratting.
Laura Briggs Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:28:00 - [48] Edited by: Laura Briggs on 06/11/2006 10:35:47 Originally by: velmistr Ecco Ferox has an advantage over expensive setups of caracal. It's much cheaper, tanks better. However it has less DPS than caracal esp. when using kinetic missiles. Tech1 raven is even better. A better tank is not an advantage if you dont need it. More dps = more isk when ratting so the cost of a few tech 2 mods on a caracal is worth it. I agree that the raven is much better then both though so if you have the skills and the isk(unlike the op) then it is the way to go.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:24:00 - [49] I've ratted sanshas with a Caracal... First off: You can kill the smallest battleships but it takes time... I kited the bastards - staying at range so they couldn't hit me... thats the best way to avoid being BBQed because you can't really get in and orbit them afaik High: 5 x Heavy Med: 1 x AB 1-2 x EM Hardener 1-2 x Thermal Hardener 0-1 x Medium Shield Booster 0-1 Sensor Booster Low: 1-2 x Ballistic Control Units 0-1 x PDS/Sensor thing/something else
MeanRatBaztard	Posted - 2007.08.05 20:04:00 - [50] Edited by: MeanRatBaztard on 05/08/2007 20:06:41 -Never Mind . . . I need to post this in the BB section.
Ararius e X i l e FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.05 20:23:00 - [51] Originally by: MeanRatBaztard Edited by: MeanRatBaztard on 05/08/2007 20:06:41 -Never Mind . . . I need to post this in the BB section. HOLY NECRO Originally by: Alski It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m"

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