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Jayson Lee
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Posted - 2006.06.06 19:15:00 -
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The other day I was flying my bc from one low sec system to another to run a mission. Before I jumped I noticed a pirate at the gate blinking red. His sec status was -6.7 and was flying a t1 frig. I paid no mind and jumped to the next system.
When I arrived at the next system, before I warped to my mission objective, the same pirate jumped in behind me and started to target me. I was already warping so I didnt bother to stop and engage. My question is what was he trying to trick me into doing?
If he fired first, he would have been sunk by the sentry guns. If I had attacked him I have no doubt I would have won (even with less than 2mil sp) and I know the sentry guns would not have opened up on me, would they? I also checked local and no one in systme belonged to his corp.
What was he upto? The only think I could think of was he had some friends in another corp that would have joined him once I became aggressive. Would they have kill rights on me if they formed a gang and I attacked one of their members? Or am I over estimating my abilities in a bc vs a t1 frig. I know he had several years under his belt, would his sp been enough to make up the difference between ships?
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Jex Jast
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Posted - 2006.06.06 19:57:00 -
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Are you sure it was T1? And even still, he potentially had the ability to kill you, depending on his setup, skills, etc. Who knows...if you remember his name, ask him 
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:03:00 -
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Or am I over estimating my abilities in a bc vs a t1 frig
setup matters a lot. Some peeps fit medium long range guns and no web on their bcs which makes it very possible for a frig to kill it.
He probably just wanted you to agress him so he could try and kill you without getting instapopped by sentries. If you had attacked him, you'd only be flagged to him, not to his corpmates. You would've been flagged to his whole corp if you had looted his can after the fight tho.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:09:00 -
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That depends.
If you are using heavy missiles for your missions, and you don't have any target painters or really high missile skills then you might have had a problem blowing up his ship, because your missiles would do a fraction of their total potential damage to his small sig radius ship. He could have warp scrambled you and held you down while reinforcements arrived.
You were wise not to underestimate him.
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:17:00 -
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He may well have been trying to exploit the current screwy state of "kill rights". Regardless of wether or not he was flashing red or had aggressed first - it is entirely possible he would have gotten killrights on you if you had taken him out. (It has happened to me and others)
So, he loses some crappy T1 frigate - maybe even unfitted/insured - and gets universal kill rights on you for Empire space..at his leisure...and at some later date bounces you while you're mission running in "safe" space, with no drawbacks and no one else able to help you.
It's total cheese - but it seems to be one of the newer empire pirate tricks.
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Jayson Lee
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:43:00 -
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Thank you for your info gentlemen. You are right I was geared towards bigger ships, heavy missles and auto cannons. I never would have thought that a frig could give me that much trouble, but now that I think about it some npc frigs take forever to kill if not properly setup/
He must have scanned me and thought it was worth the effort. Another lesson learned, and without loosen a ship. I am learning lessons a little easier now. The wisdom that comes with age 
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Gordan Freeman
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:48:00 -
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Trying to do what most of us do.. Look for a fight..
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.06 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfgang Jager
He may well have been trying to exploit the current screwy state of "kill rights". Regardless of wether or not he was flashing red or had aggressed first - it is entirely possible he would have gotten killrights on you if you had taken him out. (It has happened to me and others)
So, he loses some crappy T1 frigate - maybe even unfitted/insured - and gets universal kill rights on you for Empire space..at his leisure...and at some later date bounces you while you're mission running in "safe" space, with no drawbacks and no one else able to help you.
Never seen any threads about this. Linkies?
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dabster
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Posted - 2006.06.06 21:15:00 -
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I dont think he would have abused that killright in safe space much tbh, something in the original post kinda gives that away ^_^
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.06 21:18:00 -
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He was probably relying on the fact that you wouldn't have a scrambler, so it was worth engaging for ****s and giggles, he can get away at any time.
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Mi Lai
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Posted - 2006.06.06 21:20:00 -
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The funny thing about locking people, like this thread is evidence of, is that it makes some people paranoid  .
Sometimes people make funny mistakes while doing it (I had a guy warping to a belt after I started locking him at a gate, where he could be killed without Sentry interference).
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.06.06 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wolfgang Jager
He may well have been trying to exploit the current screwy state of "kill rights". Regardless of wether or not he was flashing red or had aggressed first - it is entirely possible he would have gotten killrights on you if you had taken him out. (It has happened to me and others)
So, he loses some crappy T1 frigate - maybe even unfitted/insured - and gets universal kill rights on you for Empire space..at his leisure...and at some later date bounces you while you're mission running in "safe" space, with no drawbacks and no one else able to help you.
Never seen any threads about this. Linkies?
Hmm - okay missed his sec status in the OP - so he wasn't pulling this stunt, but I've had it done. I've never seen any threads on it, but it has happened to me and to friends/corpmates. When I appealed it the first time, I was told it was "working as intended" - that basically whenever you destroy a ship in low sec, even if they were a "fair game" flasher target - the person who lost the ship got kill rights.
First time it happened to me, it was a small pack of corpmates and myself jumping a pirate(sec status above -5, but known and flashing red) in a .4 system. We whacked him and he got kill rights on all four of us.
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MoLeH
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Posted - 2006.06.06 22:43:00 -
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I beleave ull find that anyone you kill, if they dont fire back gets kill rights on you, so if you killed a rifter and he didnt agress u in anyway no matter his sec status, he would get kill rights on you, which he could then use anywhere, this I beleave is how it is supposed to work and there is no evidence to my knowledge of any kill rights exploit or bug. It looks to me that you just dont know how it works, so shout exploit!
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.06.06 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: MoLeH
I beleave ull find that anyone you kill, if they dont fire back gets kill rights on you, so if you killed a rifter and he didnt agress u in anyway no matter his sec status, he would get kill rights on you, which he could then use anywhere, this I beleave is how it is supposed to work and there is no evidence to my knowledge of any kill rights exploit or bug. It looks to me that you just dont know how it works, so shout exploit!
Nobody said anything about an exploit... and the kill rights point was already put forward. Please put the club down.
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MoLeH
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Posted - 2006.06.06 23:15:00 -
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Hunters pressence, i was refering to the fact that someone previously claimed there was a bug that was beeing used by pirates, seems an exploit is using a know bug to gain from it is what an exploit is that would be an exploit, i was just poiting out how Killrights work cos noone in the thread seemed to know and was also saying that i dont beleave there is any bug or exploit in the kill rights system currently, so if ur not going to be remotely constructive "put the club down"
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.06 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mi Lai
The funny thing about locking people, like this thread is evidence of, is that it makes some people paranoid .
Sometimes people make funny mistakes while doing it (I had a guy warping to a belt after I started locking him at a gate, where he could be killed without Sentry interference).
QFT.
I remember once, just before I hit the magic -5.0, I was traveling with a outlaw corpmate (Sakura). We were walking to a gate, and this hauler is about 40km off, so we lock him for fun. And WTF! he ECMs Sak, since we were in cruisers, we wasn't going to engage, but now he aggroed, and we chase him down to a station, and Sak pops him.
Wish I still had the smacklog that followed.
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: MoLeH
Hunters pressence, i was refering to the fact that someone previously claimed there was a bug that was beeing used by pirates, seems an exploit is using a know bug to gain from it is what an exploit is that would be an exploit, i was just poiting out how Killrights work cos noone in the thread seemed to know and was also saying that i dont beleave there is any bug or exploit in the kill rights system currently, so if ur not going to be remotely constructive "put the club down"
Judging from your terrible english, I'll assume it isn't your first language and cut you some slack - but try reading what I actually wrote.
I didn't say it was an exploit. Apparently it is "working as intended", it just happens to be a very messed up way to implement it in my opinion. (and for your info, it has nothing to do with shooting back - the guy who got the kill rights in the case I mentioned was not only the original aggressor, but was firing back right up til his ship exploded)
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Zezman
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:09:00 -
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Also, did you hear any scanning sounds? He might have locked you and used some cargo and ship scanners on you to find out if you were worth attacking. Especially if the ship he was using was a griffin.
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:19:00 -
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I've tried this a few times, as you are less than 2 months old (2mil SP) he probably thought he could kill you if you shot at him. I've done this myself and taken out Moas, Thoraxes, Ruptures etc at gates because they are*****y enough to think they can beat the T1 friggy
If the worst happens, you lose a T1 frig, not exactly a wallet breaking loss.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfgang Jager
the guy who got the kill rights in the case I mentioned was not only the original aggressor, but was firing back right up til his ship exploded
Did you pod him?
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Wolfgang Jager
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Posted - 2006.06.07 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ras Blumin
Originally by: Wolfgang Jager
the guy who got the kill rights in the case I mentioned was not only the original aggressor, but was firing back right up til his ship exploded
Did you pod him?
Nope - he was already aligned and nothing we had was fast enough to lock it before he was gone.
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