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altim
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:32:00 -
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ok, ive never actualy flown either one, but from the stats and all i would guess that command ships are much better then HAC's, have i missed comething or y the hell then are HAC's more expensive then CMS?
i would like to believe its the building reqs. but even if, wouldnt ppl be more willing to buy a command ship for higher prices then HAC's, and even better, y are HAC's even beeing sold if something much better costs less?
i may have missed something, i guess i must have, plz help me out
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Asm0dai
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:35:00 -
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Less people can pilot the CMS - hence less demand = lower price.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:36:00 -
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the CMS cartel havent had their priceboosting meeting yet.
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This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.08 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Asm0dai
Less people can pilot the CMS - hence less demand = lower price.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:00:00 -
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what are CMS ?
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Ivan Kirilenkov
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Overlord
what are CMS ?
Commandships - T2 Battlecruisers
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:03:00 -
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I always call them CBCs
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:03:00 -
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stoopid me thanks for that mr ISD - yeah have to agree more HAC pilots than CMS pilots esp at t2 level. That will change tho as time goes on and a lack of BPOs pop up
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Galban Hunter
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:10:00 -
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Once Command ships like the Absolution start being used in small and large gangs, even fleets then the prices will rocket. Atm they are priced the same as HAC's but not for long as their demand will grow with their use. Remember they deal out more damage and are better tankers than the HAC's.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:34:00 -
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I don't really think so. CS have been out for a while now, those who really wanted to fly one have had ample time to train their skills.
Sure, hefty skill requirments are one reason, but it's not the sole factor: Command ships suffer from the same flaw battlecruisers have: Lack of agility.
If you're as slow as a BS, your role in small gang is limited, because you will slow it. And for large gangs, you tend to use a BS over a battlecruiser because you need to be able to fight at long range.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:57:00 -
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The reality is that command ships are not in as big a demand as HAC's.
HAC skills can also count for many other ships, since far more people use cruisers than BC's. BC 5 is just a dead end for Command Ships and that it.
In a match, a Command ships is likely to win, however, the HAC player can quickly change to Recon Cruiser ship and slaugher the Command ship. So demand for HAC will come down as people switch over to Recon Ships, which in turn, will increase demand for gatecamps :)
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:36:00 -
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ôIn a match, a Command ships is likely to win, however, the HAC player can quickly change to Recon Cruiser ship and slaugher the Command ship.ö
Since when can a HAC or Recon ship even dint a Command ship? I donÆt see how a HAC pilot could swap to a Recon and worry a decent Command ship pilot 1v1 in fact even 2 Recon v1 Command should not be that worrying.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
HAC skills can also count for many other ships, since far more people use cruisers than BC's. BC 5 is just a dead end for Command Ships and that it.
In a match, a Command ships is likely to win, however, the HAC player can quickly change to Recon Cruiser ship and slaugher the Command ship. So demand for HAC will come down as people switch over to Recon Ships, which in turn, will increase demand for gatecamps :)
you have to be able to fly HACs to learn CBCs: the HAC pilot has no more rights to recon piloting than the CBC pilot (unless you consider training recons instead of CBCs, but thats a different thread: Recon vs CBC).
Besides, only amarr recons could get close to breaking a CBC tank, and even that would probably get slaughtered by sleipnir, absolution or astarte.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:48:00 -
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ôyou have to be able to fly HACs to learn CBCs:ö
You donÆt have to be able to fly a HAC to learn CBCÆs. I am no where near being able to fly a HAC but I live in my Eos CBC.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôIn a match, a Command ships is likely to win, however, the HAC player can quickly change to Recon Cruiser ship and slaugher the Command ship.ö
Since when can a HAC or Recon ship even dint a Command ship? I donÆt see how a HAC pilot could swap to a Recon and worry a decent Command ship pilot 1v1 in fact even 2 Recon v1 Command should not be that worrying.
I guess passive shieldtanks didn't count in his opinion. (XD)
Er, anyways. Is anyone else of the opinion that CMS is not a really good abbreviation for Command Ships? I for some reason keep thinking 'Cruise Missile Sentry' (don't ask me) when I read that. Where's the M come from anyways. Co>M<mand? Guh. CS or CBC works much better. u.u
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Void Walker
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Sure, hefty skill requirments are one reason, but it's not the sole factor: Command ships suffer from the same flaw battlecruisers have: Lack of agility.
Bingo, Shadowsword hits the nail on the head, BC agility makes it a liability in combat, just because its a t2 version of a BC doesn't overcome the fact that its agility is soo poor and its acceleration using cruiser level thrust modules is appauling.
BCs as they stand today have to high sig, too low agility and no acceleration, leave them at home, get out the HAC.
There is a reason the Command Ship prices are tumbling, because they are not being used and not being lost in combat, most of them i suspect are gathering dust at this point. Gang Assist modules can only compensate so much for this orphan ship catagory.
fix BC agility/acceleration/sig radius and you may see more of this class of ship around.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.08 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôyou have to be able to fly HACs to learn CBCs:ö
You donÆt have to be able to fly a HAC to learn CBCÆs. I am no where near being able to fly a HAC but I live in my Eos CBC.
sorry, i meant t2 cruisers 
My bad.
Besdies, you do need HACs for the field commands
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 08/06/2006 13:01:24
ôThere is a reason the Command Ship prices are tumbling, because they are not being used and not being lost in combat, most of them i suspect are gathering dust at this point.ö
Or it could be they are so tough being able to tank well over 1000dps that people are not losing them in vast numbers. That and being gang ships most people have friends with them when they fly the command ship.
Command ships are far tougher then HACÆs so your not going lose as many CBC while mission running or doing complexÆs. As for PvP HACÆs often going around solo while the CBC moves in gangs.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.06.08 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aion Amarra
I guess the Pilgrim would get owned as it has to get in close for the NOS bonus to grab, but the Curse is hard to catch when it's orbitting out at ~30km
Most curses dont scram too well from 30km, meh - these are all moot points.
The CBC are awesome ships. My absolution deals heaps more damage than the zealot and has an absolutely stupidly good tank. It can sail thru any level 4 mission faster than an apoc and with less trouble.
I fully expect the price to rise and as such have bought a mini fleet of them
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Void Walker
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Posted - 2006.06.09 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I fully expect the price to rise and as such have bought a mini fleet of them[:D
May not be such a good investment, Absolutions now selling at 145mil on Escrow and falling by the day, i suspect they will bottom out around the 110 mark in line with the Sacrelidge. Supply > Demand until something is done about Agility/Acceleration and maybe sig radius of the BC class. Heres hoping its fixed when the Tier 2 BCs get finalized.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.06.09 07:33:00 -
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So with all this talk of prices bottoming out... do I buy two vultures in the hope that the price goes over 120m at some point? 
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