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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:05:00 -
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If you had to choose who the finest artists were as far as writing, out of the following list, how would you rate them, and who would you exclude or add to the list?
Clark Ashton Smith Shakespeare Poe John Keats Stephen King George Martin
Maybe the list should be separated between greatest prose writers, and great poets. Whatever, too late.
I find it hard to sort them, personally, but I give Smith the top spot just for the beauty of his language. His stories weren't the greatest but you don't read an artist like Smith for the character or the story but rather the language. His art speaks of forgotten ages, of yearning for lost time and the quests to regain that time. Vintage at it's very best.
Of course, Shakespeare had many great poems, I'm still struggling to dissect Macbeth and come up with answers to everything the story poses.
"And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out! Brief candle, life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sounds and furies, and signifies nothing."
Poe did a lot of great work as well, and so did Keats. I include Steve King and Georgie Boy Martin because... well, damn, they are great writers! The Dark Tower series and A Song of Ice and Fire are both unreal, even though I find the HBO series of Game of Thrones to be a bit too much like a soap opera and I think he's built up this series so much I am not sure if he can find a suitable ending for it, it is what it is, and they both have many great works other than their main series' as well, and in a diverse group of genres ranging everywhere from horror to science fiction to mystery to contemporary.
So, who is, or was, the greatest writer? "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:40:00 -
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This is like asking who is better: Dvorak or RUSH.
They are not even operating in the same mode. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Graygor
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:44:00 -
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The bloke who wrote the Mr Men books. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This is like asking who is better: Dvorak or RUSH.
They are not even operating in the same mode. Well that ain't a fair comparison because Rush is god and Dvorak was a clown.
Either way, every human operates in their own mode. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:53:00 -
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I forgot about HP Lovecraft and Arthur Machen, neither were as good as Smith imo, but they probably deserve to be on the list. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Graygor
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Posted - 2014.06.02 15:53:00 -
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On a serious note, I'd probably have to go for either John Webster (who is imo a better playwright than Shakespeare) or maybe Voltaire. Voltaire might not really be a story teller, but his political and philosophical thought is very interesting.
Its not something where consensus could be reached. Personally my favourite fiction writer is Terry Pratchett, as i enjoy reading for fun and i like the jokes.
Edit.
What about Tolkien? He pretty much created the modern fantasy genre. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
156
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Posted - 2014.06.02 16:07:00 -
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Graygor wrote: What about Tolkien? He pretty much created the modern fantasy genre.
Meh. True, but there are others that deserve that credit as well.
Of course there is natural human bias here because I am just not a big fan of Tolkien, but I don't think his writing was all that great. And his characters sing too much, which can be cool in a quasi-mythical way, but meh. I don't really care for his bushy Scandinavian settings or his British characters either but to each their own and I got to give credit where it is due of course, the man is a legend. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Graygor
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Posted - 2014.06.02 16:10:00 -
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Wow. You couldnt have made this thread at a better time. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.02 16:16:00 -
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Hemingway. |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 17:03:00 -
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Is that Weird Al? "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
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Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
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Posted - 2014.06.02 17:32:00 -
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The. Thing. About. Ernest. Hemingway. Is. That. He. Never. Used. Long. Sentences. At. All. GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
157
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:05:00 -
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Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:The. Thing. About. Ernest. Hemingway. Is. That. He. Never. Used. Long. Sentences. At. All. Do you know what they say about guys who like long sentences? "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:31:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:The. Thing. About. Ernest. Hemingway. Is. That. He. Never. Used. Long. Sentences. At. All. Do you know what they say about guys who like long sentences? They don't know what to do when they get a period? |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 18:52:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:The. Thing. About. Ernest. Hemingway. Is. That. He. Never. Used. Long. Sentences. At. All. Do you know what they say about guys who like long sentences? They don't know what to do when they get a period? I was thinking it had something to do with a colon, but that works. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.06.02 19:33:00 -
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I know of one opposite.
One writer I think of as one of the worst. Not so much his story cause I guess a lot of people enjoyed it, but just because of a single chapter describing a ******* door, that I could not finish the book and wanted to shoot myself so I never have to look at it again.
That would be Nathanael Hawthorne, author of 'The Scarlet Letter' I HATED HATED HATED that book in high school 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:24:00 -
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I reject the op's list and substitute my own.
Joseph Heller Douglas Adams Graham Greene George Orwell James Joyce Jack Kerouac
In that order. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:30:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I reject the op's list and substitute my own.
Joseph Heller Douglas Adams Graham Greene George Orwell James Joyce Jack Kerouac
In that order. Douglas Adams was a ******* hipster doofus.
Oh I want to add Charles Baudelaire and Lewis Carroll to my list of greats. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:46:00 -
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I personally think Clive Barker is as good as or better than Stephen King, but I am typically called a heretic for saying that
Just had to throw that single comment out there as I like a majority of the authors presented so far.
I also spit on my screen from laughter at some of the posts above as well. |
Ian Morbius
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:46:00 -
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Reading is Fun!
Playwright Eugene O'Neill. Playwright Arthur Miller. Mythologist, writer and lecturer Joseph Campbell. Author and humorist Mark Twain( Samuel Clemens). Writer Henry Miller. Computer scientist Donald E. Knuth. Author of Meditations Marcus Aurelius Philosopher of communication theory and a public intellectual Marshall McLuhan. Diplomat and political theorist Niccol+¦ Machiavelli. Writer Thomas Paine.
List Appended.
www.acronymfinder.com - For when companies allow engineers to create surveys for their customers.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:52:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I reject the op's list and substitute my own.
Joseph Heller Douglas Adams Graham Greene George Orwell James Joyce Jack Kerouac
In that order. Oh, olmost forgot Fyodor Dostoyevsky "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:33:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:
So, who is, or was, the greatest writer?
The or my? Of that list, obviously the is Shakespeare, my is Poe. Outside the list, Poe ranks high for me. Then there is Homer, Sun Tzu, Flavius Josephus, Unknown (Beowulf), Dickens, Tolkien, Bradbury, Jules Verne ...more. No particular "greatest". |
Space Therapist
Better Days Ahead
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:45:00 -
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Sumi See my bio for rates and services. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2014.06.03 02:28:00 -
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Hugh Hefner
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.03 02:54:00 -
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OP, I completely missed your mention of Shakespeare. I do love the bard, if for no other reason than this gem from Othello:
Quote:I am one, sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dostoyevsky Agree very much with your addition, and want to tack on Kafka.
And Unsuccessful at Everything. |
Graygor
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Posted - 2014.06.03 02:58:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:And Unsuccessful at Everything.
We have a winner. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
1093
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Posted - 2014.06.03 06:31:00 -
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Don't know half the names you posted here.
But I'd add Isaac Asimov and Stanislaw Lem to that list. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11055
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:29:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:The. Thing. About. Ernest. Hemingway. Is. That. He. Never. Used. Long. Sentences. At. All. Do you know what they say about guys who like long sentences? They are repeat appenders. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:01:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Don't know half the names you posted here.
But I'd add Isaac Asimov and Stanislaw Lem to that list. Dostoevsky and Asimov were great. I'd probably put Asimov in the top 20 somewhere. Stanislaw Lem... eewwwwww "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:43:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:
But I'd add Isaac Asimov and Stanislaw Lem to that list.
Sorry but I have to disagree.
I love Asimov. He comes up with great story ideas. But his writing itself is abyssmal. Boring. Cardboard characters. They are all the same. There is no difference in tone at all in works as divergent as Foundation and the Robot novels.
Great ideas but seriously generic actual writing. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
160
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:48:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:
But I'd add Isaac Asimov and Stanislaw Lem to that list.
Sorry but I have to disagree. I love Asimov. He comes up with great story ideas. But his writing itself is abyssmal. Boring. Cardboard characters. They are all the same. There is no difference in tone at all in works as divergent as Foundation and the Robot novels. Great ideas but seriously generic actual writing. True, except as far as character goes, that doesn't necessarily have to do with the writing, but it's more to do with the preference of the artist. Some great writers don't necessarily have great characters or even a great story, but I agree for the most part his writing was very basic. "Hey, cruel world... you don't have what it takes! We don't need your FAITH, we got fuckin' FATE! Fate, fate, fate!" - Marilyn Manson |
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