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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.09 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Necrologic on 09/06/2006 00:21:27
Edited by: Necrologic on 09/06/2006 00:18:09
This is somthing that is really starting to bug me.
The following assume level 5 engineering and level 4 adv weapon upgrades.
Megathron: 19375 grid.
425mm Railgun 2: 2415 grid.
Cruise Missile Launcher 2: 1207.96 grid.
7x 425 2's, 1x Cruise 2=18112.96 grid. 1262.04 grid remaining. 93.4% Grid used.
Incurses: 42.5 grid.
150mm Railgun 2: 10.12 grid.
3x 150 2's=30.36 grid. 12.14 grid remaining. 71.4% grid used.
Thorax: 1025 grid.
250mm Railgun 2: 217.12 grid.
5x 250 2's=1085.6 grid. -60.6 grid remaining. 105.9% grid used. <---WTF
Brutix: 1437.5 grid.
250mm Railgun 2: 217.12 grid.
7x 250 2's= 1519.84 grid. -82.34 grid remaining. 105.728% grid used. <---WTF
I have only run the numbers on railguns, but as far as i can see the same holds true for all races. Why is this this way? This is incredibly stupid, and the reason why you usually only see hacs and a few bc using long range cruiser weapons. I think this really needs fixing. Can anybody see a reason for this that i am missing?
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.06.09 01:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Necrologic
Can anybody see a reason for this that i am missing?
You haven't put any RCUs or PDUs on.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.09 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Necrologic
Can anybody see a reason for this that i am missing?
You haven't put any RCUs or PDUs on.
Well duh. My question is why is it so much more difficult to fit a full rack of the longest range weapons on cruisers that on anything else. You can make them fit of course, but compared to the equivilent bs or frig setup they are significantly worse.
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schurem
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Well duh. My question is why is it so much more difficult to fit a full rack of the longest range weapons on cruisers that on anything else. You can make them fit of course, but compared to the equivilent bs or frig setup they are significantly worse.
You ever tried fitting a Tempest with 1400s? Fun isn't it? These weapons should be hard to fit. That the ultimate in gankage puts a gimp on tankage isn't neccesarily a bad thing imnsho
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:16:00 -
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Try Amarr ships of all sizes with big beam lasers.
An Apoc can't even fit 8 of the 2nd biggest lasers, never mind the biggest.
I think it's really a common thing that ships can't fit all of the biggest guns around, 425mm rails aren't the most powerful weapon around, and are kind of balanced up because of their relatively low fitting requirements.
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CB Cyrix
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
Try Amarr ships of all sizes with big beam lasers.
An Apoc can't even fit 8 of the 2nd biggest lasers, never mind the biggest.
I think it's really a common thing that ships can't fit all of the biggest guns around, 425mm rails aren't the most powerful weapon around, and are kind of balanced up because of their relatively low fitting requirements.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:01:00 -
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Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:25:00 -
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Well I have heard that most of the balancing is done with T1 guns on T1 ships. That said, I don't think T1 will fit either.
Considering that long range guns often provide lower dps, and on medium weapons the longer range isn't really that much bigger (unlike large guns) I don't see why they can't be lessened just a bit.
Even if you can only fit them with 90% grid it would be nice since you cant get as much grid out of an rcu II seeing as how the base grid starts off so small.
Good point Necro. /signed for some long range medium gun love
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 09/06/2006 15:22:45
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
Because it should be....otherwise you get everyone flying about with a full rack of top grade guns, along with a nice tank.
Imagine there is a scale:
||Gank||-------------------------------------||Tank||
You have to decide how much gank or tank you want (Dominix Excluded  )
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Janus Ovellian
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 09/06/2006 15:23:09
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
Its easier to fit 7 x 720 II's on a Sleipnir than it is to fit the full rack on a Muninn (nearly 100MW left over!!!)
edit: thats with adv weapon upgrades 5...
It must be a conspiracy.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.09 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Edited by: Twilight Moon on 09/06/2006 15:22:45
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
Because it should be....otherwise you get everyone flying about with a full rack of top grade guns, along with a nice tank.
Imagine there is a scale:
||Gank||-------------------------------------||Tank||
You have to decide how much gank or tank you want (Dominix Excluded )
Oh come on people, do you read the post? You can fit a full rack of rails on a bs for only 94% grid, and on a frigate for only 71% of your grid. Why then do you need 104% to fit on cruisers? This is not a question of wether ships should be able to fit a full rack of not, it's a matter of why arn't they atleast similar percents requiered?
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.06.09 16:46:00 -
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FFS everyone who is saying that "it should be hard" to fit a full rack of the biggest guns.
No kidding. Did you notice the part where the frigate can do it? The BS? But not the cruiser? I could see the frigate not having the grid for a full rack, but if the friggie can, the cruiser should be able to.
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Laboratus
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Posted - 2006.06.09 17:12:00 -
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Yes, fitting the largest guns should be hard, but it shouldn't be hard with Max Skills.
That's why you those fitting skills are called Weapon upgrades.
IMHO, you should be able to upgrade your weapons to the max with max weapon upgrades.
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DicRoNero
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:25:00 -
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I agree, cruiser-sized long-range guns could have a bit reduction in grid usage.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.06.09 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Edited by: Necrologic on 09/06/2006 00:21:27
Edited by: Necrologic on 09/06/2006 00:18:09
This is somthing that is really starting to bug me.
The following assume level 5 engineering and level 4 adv weapon upgrades.
Megathron: 19375 grid.
425mm Railgun 2: 2415 grid.
Cruise Missile Launcher 2: 1207.96 grid.
7x 425 2's, 1x Cruise 2=18112.96 grid. 1262.04 grid remaining. 93.4% Grid used.
Incurses: 42.5 grid.
150mm Railgun 2: 10.12 grid.
3x 150 2's=30.36 grid. 12.14 grid remaining. 71.4% grid used.
Thorax: 1025 grid.
250mm Railgun 2: 217.12 grid.
5x 250 2's=1085.6 grid. -60.6 grid remaining. 105.9% grid used. <---WTF
Brutix: 1437.5 grid.
250mm Railgun 2: 217.12 grid.
7x 250 2's= 1519.84 grid. -82.34 grid remaining. 105.728% grid used. <---WTF
I have only run the numbers on railguns, but as far as i can see the same holds true for all races. Why is this this way? This is incredibly stupid, and the reason why you usually only see hacs and a few bc using long range cruiser weapons. I think this really needs fixing. Can anybody see a reason for this that i am missing?
unless I am shooting 75km +
you get more gank with 7 125 mm tech II and a mag stab on a cormorat than 7 150 mm tech II's and a MAPC. however, you have a higher alpha strike with the bigg guns, and you can fit a tank in the mids....
Talk about being counterintuitive.
/stats lobbying for a 8/3/2 teir 2 caldari dessy. or a 7/4/2 /drool
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.06.09 23:50:00 -
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FFS alt. that's me /\
Max
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Beatrix Thief
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Posted - 2006.06.09 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
I know it was. Trying to help your case with another example
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.10 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Beatrix Thief
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Max Teranous
Try putting 5 x 720mm II's on a Muninn - it's a right laugh.
That's the exact point. Why is it so much harder to fit a full wrack of the largest guns on cruisers than it is on bs?
I know it was. Trying to help your case with another example
Yeah, was agreeing with you.
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