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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.06.09 09:52:00 -
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I was playn on SiSi and i tried to fit a Moa (i am a missiler so i usually use a caracall as cruiser, but i wonted to give it a try).
I did many, many tests with my rail and blaster Moa but noone ended with a good setup...then i had an idea, an insane one: try fit few small laser turret on the moa (good trakin, good damage,better range than blasters and surely less grid needed).
I ended up with a damn bad ass short range ship!
No other close combat cruiser won a single time vs this abnormal ship.
I give u the setup here, try it out and modify it if u like :)
2 med nos (best one u can fit)
4 medium modulated pulse laser
1 invul t2
1 large shield boost t2
1 large shield ext (best one u can fit)
1 medium cap booster (fitted with 800)
2 heat sink t2
1 pdu t2
1 Damage control (best one)
I know u cannot scramble a ship or web it, but this setup can be slightly modified and u can alwyas fly with some friends!
Give it a try and be rdy to dominate all other cruisers!
p.s.
(use 3 small drones for anti-drone purpose)
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Aawen
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:00:00 -
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Its not the crappy damage that wins you those fights.
It's the 2 NOS and decent tanking to basically suck your enemies dry and outlast them.
You can achieve much better doing this same approach using a thorax or especially vexxor. Tank/Suck them dry, let those 5 medium drones rip your enemies much faster than a few small lasers. |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:06:00 -
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A BlasterRax will still pwn you in close combat.
Anyway, your setup would be improved if you went down the BlasterMoa route, with some tracking boosters and decent skills, you'll be hitting upto the ranges you're getting with the pulses.
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:06:00 -
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I fought also dual nosser thoraxes and dual nosser vexors, they tragically exploded, the damage output its not bad at all.
Perhaps a triple nosser vexxor with cap booster and good tank should be a problem, but not the others.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/06/2006 10:08:27
 Originally by: Spurgo
I fought also dual nosser thoraxes and dual nosser vexors, they tragically exploded, the damage output its not bad at all.
Perhaps a triple nosser vexxor with cap booster and good tank should be a problem, but not the others.
Ever thought that perhaps the thorax and vexor simply sucked? 
Its not the lasers that are winning you the fight--its your cap booster/large shield booster/extender combo.
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
A BlasterRax will still pwn you in close combat.
Anyway, your setup would be improved if you went down the BlasterMoa route, with some tracking boosters and decent skills, you'll be hitting upto the ranges you're getting with the pulses.
I tought i wrote it " i have fought vs blaster trax T2 and they had NO chance breaking my tank, but they exploded pretty well"
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:14:00 -
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Pfft
Rupture > Frankenmoa
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With five million sheep in this army
I seem to be the only one fit to command
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.06.09 10:36:00 -
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If it works, then great!
Nice to see some thinking outside the box. Might pass this onto my firend who is currently having problems with his Moa.
Signature Remove, not Eve related. -ReverendM ([email protected] |
RinaWers
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:08:00 -
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Its not the lasers what make the diference on the setup. its the bad ass tank in the mid slots, u could do the same with rails/artys/blasters/autocannons, anything.
anyway, winning 1vs1 in sisi without scrambler is just plain stupid, same as without web, you cant not claim its the best cruiser for that.
you tell me u flying with a gang then? theres much better setups for a moa, and will allways depend on what friends u bring with u.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:12:00 -
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You'll never be able to hold your target in PVP with that setup, also an armour tanked Maller with similar highs will be better.
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RinaWers
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:14:00 -
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let me make my point clear:
caldari ships are the best for pve,
so
pvp without tackling is the same.
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: RinaWers
let me make my point clear:
caldari ships are the best for pve,
so
pvp without tackling is the same.
Yeah, stuff like Blackbirds, Cerberus, Scorps, and Ravens are TOTALLY useless in PvP.
teehee
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:45:00 -
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 I get more and more worried every day
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.06.09 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
I get more and more worried every day
Have you heard about the 1400mm Sniper Raven w/ Nuetralizers?
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Ujio Noki
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:52:00 -
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i way prefer caracal for pvp, that moa would not stand up for long against a reasonably skilled pilot, i suggest you go for a caracal, and fly a setup like this for cruiser vs cruiser...
Hi:5x t2 launchers with fury scourges
Med: 1x large extender, 1 x medium extender, 1x invul, 1x target painter and either multispec or scrambler
low: bcu, pdu
furies do sick dmg against cruisers, i have popped rax's in 4 volleys that were tanked hard, and it blows away moa's so easy its stupid, caracal really is the better ship for pvp |
HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:59:00 -
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You must have completely pwned all those guys by getting into range without a MWD, and then keeping them there withotu a web, and then killing them while sweet talking them into not warping due to lack of scrambler.
You sir, are a God among men
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
You must have completely pwned all those guys by getting into range without a MWD, and then keeping them there withotu a web, and then killing them while sweet talking them into not warping due to lack of scrambler.
You sir, are a God among men
Yes and i already told that man....
I also told that this setup i'ts ok with a takler or 3 web drones and a scrambler (instead of the large extender)
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Ujio Noki
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spurgo
Originally by: HippoKing
You must have completely pwned all those guys by getting into range without a MWD, and then keeping them there withotu a web, and then killing them while sweet talking them into not warping due to lack of scrambler.
You sir, are a God among men
Yes and i already told that man....
I also told that this setup i'ts ok with a takler or 3 web drones and a scrambler (instead of the large extender)
without that extender, you would last about 1/2 the time |
Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:48:00 -
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Very odd.
Once upon a time, I flew a Scorpion. I put lasers on it because I HATE lugging ammo around. They hit pretty well.
When I upgraded to a Raven, the same lasers (in the two spare slots) were absolute junk.
Now since neither ship has an "official" bonus to laser useage, why should this be?
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
You must have completely pwned all those guys by getting into range without a MWD, and then keeping them there withotu a web, and then killing them while sweet talking them into not warping due to lack of scrambler.
You sir, are a God among men
This is exactly what I was thinking...
Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5... |
Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2006.06.09 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Pfft
Rupture > Frankenmoa
Frankenmoa....I like it
Originally by: LUKEC
Antipiracy is causing brain damage
Lies... |
Kaleeb
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Posted - 2006.06.09 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shandling
Originally by: Kaleeb
I get more and more worried every day
Have you heard about the 1400mm Sniper Raven w/ Nuetralizers?
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2006.06.09 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: The Mittani on 09/06/2006 17:50:50
SiSi pvp setups make me cry.
Look. PvP Moas are ridiculously hard to fit because you need to waste three of your four midslots on propulsion, web, and scram. This leaves you with one midslot for a 'shield tank', which inevitably becomes a Large Shield Extender II. This fully-tanked Moa of yours is a nice idea, but it's not a pvp setup.
Here's my blastermoa setup:
Hi:
1x Med Neutralizer
1x Med Nos
4x Heavy Electron Blasters (can move up to Ions with AWU)
Med:
1x 10mn MWD
1x Web
1x Scram
1x LSE II
Low:
3x MFS
1x RCU
Tweaks: You can replace a MFS for a Damage Control for more shield resistances, or add another RCU to move the blasters from electrons to ions. This won't change your DPS much but it will increase your range from terribly short to 'still very short'.
Since Moas with passive tanks have nothing to spend their cap on besides web/scram and guns once the target is engaged, I find a Med Neutralizer to be more useful than 2x Med Nos. That way the enemy runs out of juice even faster, which means they stop banging on your 4000ish shield hp and get with the dying.
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Zimanor
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Posted - 2006.06.09 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Spurgo
Originally by: FireFoxx80
A BlasterRax will still pwn you in close combat.
Anyway, your setup would be improved if you went down the BlasterMoa route, with some tracking boosters and decent skills, you'll be hitting upto the ranges you're getting with the pulses.
I tought i wrote it " i have fought vs blaster trax T2 and they had NO chance breaking my tank, but they exploded pretty well"
they will break your tank when your large shield booster destroys your cap, all they have to do is tank your small lasers long enough.
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