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Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 124	Posted - 2014.06.05 08:35:00 - [1] - Quote The issue with this change is that Supercarriers are going to be the dominant force in warfare again. Fighters that can hit frigates while having 400 DPS each and move faster than an interceptor. And now the Supercaps don't even need to be on field to do so, they can just assign their fighters while safe orbiting a POS shield. Welcome back to the age of Supercarriers Online. Didn't really miss it, to be honest.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 124	Posted - 2014.06.05 10:22:00 - [2] - Quote Jamuro wrote: To people thinking that assigned fighter will be a thing ... THEY LOSE ALL THEIR BONI ... which means you have 10 assigned fighters, with no speed, no tracking and not even the damage buff. Thanks to the role bonus assigning fighters just doesn't work any more. Nope. I tested it myself. First target I saw in system, stuck fighters on him. https://zkillboard.com/kill/39296474/ He pretty much vaporized.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 125	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:02:00 - [3] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: And why is that? Fighters are smaller than frigates, so I find it laughable that anyone would believe that a fighter should have problems hitting them. Imagine playing Valkyrie and for some :reason: you can't hit anything smaller than a battlecruiser which dwarfs you in size. I think people crying about supercaps just need to stop being poor and HTFU. When I started playing I was poor as any noob - my solution was to put some work in, not cry about nerfing ships I couldn't afford. Because the balance of the game should never be 'To beat X you need more X'. It was the entire reason Titans and Supercarriers got such a massive nerf in the first place. Because to beat a Titan fleet, you either brought a bigger Titan fleet or go home. That wasn't good game balance.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:19:00 - [4] - Quote Django Askulf wrote: Shade Millith wrote: Because to beat a Titan fleet, you either brought a bigger Titan fleet or go home. That wasn't good game balance. Sounds like balance of normal war to me. You dont carry one pistol, to take care of a tank. A tank isn't the ultimate weapon of war, and is susceptible to infantry anti-armor and aircraft. And it doesn't matter anyway, because we're talking about balancing a video game, and to not create a "One ship beats all" situation. Realism has no place in EVE Online.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:24:00 - [5] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: Shade Millith wrote: Django Askulf wrote: Shade Millith wrote: Because to beat a Titan fleet, you either brought a bigger Titan fleet or go home. That wasn't good game balance. Sounds like balance of normal war to me. You dont carry one pistol, to take care of a tank. And a tank isn't the ultimate weapon of war, and is susceptible to infantry anti-armor and aircraft. You do realize that man-portable anti-tank weapons do not guarantee a kill? In many cases the round fired may simple just bounce off the armor. Of course. It's still a threat, however, and not something to simply dismiss. Quote: And it doesn't matter anyway, because we're talking about balancing a video game, and to not create a "One ship beats all" situation. Realism has no place in EVE Online.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:32:00 - [6] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: Shade Millith wrote: Of course. It's still a threat, however, and not something to simply dismiss. Then why do I get the feeling that many of you people bitching about the fighter buffs want the HIC to be an 'I win' ship? They are currently a threat and not something to simply dismiss, yet many of you would have it so that lone HIC = dead supercarrier every single damn time unless the HIC pilot is extremely drunk and passes out at the keyboard. If you'll read back, I'm not up in arms about that. I'm worried about it going back to Supercaps Online, but I'm willing to see where it goes. What I'm up in arms about is delegated fighters keeping all those bonuses from Omnitracking Links, DDAs, and Navigation Computers. Right now, my Chimera can assign 5 fighters while orbiting a POS shield that doing a combined 670DPS, 0.79 tracking, 5km/s. That's enough to hit and kill frigates easily. https://zkillboard.com/kill/39296474/ And Supercarriers, with now having less drones, but with a massive drone damage bonus, is basically sending out mini HACs.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 11:44:00 - [7] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: You know what happens if you pull that Chimera back into the POS? The fighters magically stop working and are easy pickings. And you lose a few mil in fighters and then do it all again when they leave. Hell, I'm going to abuse this. I'm already organising with my mates, so I'm not crying about this as a 'Wah, I can't do this, so others shouldn't!'. I just don't think this is good game design. Especially when theres the massive crying about offgrid boosting. I think offgrid superdroneing is a hell of a lot worse.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 12:01:00 - [8] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: Shade Millith wrote: Money Makin Mitch wrote: You know what happens if you pull that Chimera back into the POS? The fighters magically stop working and are easy pickings. And you lose a few mil in fighters and then do it all again when they leave. Not that big of a deal compared to the benefit. Hell, I'm going to abuse this. I'm already organising with my mates, so I'm not crying about this as a 'Wah, I can't do this, so others shouldn't!'. I just don't think this is good game design. Especially when theres the massive crying about offgrid boosting. I think offgrid superdroneing is a hell of a lot worse. A few mil? Last I checked a full flight of fighters costs more than 200mil. In excess of 300mil if using Drone Control Units. For the damage they provide? More than worth it. Compared to camping in a HAC, Recon or Faction cruiser that costs 150-200+, there's far less risk of losing the fighters than it is losing a ship on field.
Shade Millith Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 126	Posted - 2014.06.05 12:15:00 - [9] - Quote Money Makin Mitch wrote: That feel when Ezwal steps in yet again and deletes a page worth of back and forth discussion for literally no reason, yet again. Everything was on topic and there were no 'personal insults'. What the ** is your problem dude? Seriously getting sick of your **. You are the worst person on the ISD staff. The first time I'm agreeing with you in this thread. We were keeping it on topic and civil. I'm not entirely sure why he felt the need for that action.

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