With the recent changes to NPC's in FW plexes, I am no longer able to realistically make any LP/ISK from offensive plexing, so I am looking for an alternative method of making ISK while still being in low/null and trying to still learn PvP.

Now, given that I will be losing ships left and right, how do I go about getting an income stream that doesn't involve doing mind numbing repetitive things?

Is there no other option but investing several hours in awful "play" to be able to actually try and engage with other players in combat?

Missions pay too little and are so repetitive and boring that I can't justify paying real money to play them. Any type of harvesting of resources can be left to bottters and multiboxers. I can't get into production without taking important training time away from my goals of PvP play.

So I really feel like my options are very limited and that is killing my fun factor.

If the only way to PvP in this game is to spend 10x that amount of time doing mindless prep work, let me know so I can not renew my sub.

Er... so now that you're no longer able to get paid for nothing more than watching a timer tick down for ~20 minutes, you require a non-boring source of income?

With the recent changes to NPC's in FW plexes, I am no longer able to realistically make any LP/ISK from offensive plexing, so I am looking for an alternative method of making ISK while still being in low/null and trying to still learn PvP.

Now, given that I will be losing ships left and right, how do I go about getting an income stream that doesn't involve doing mind numbing repetitive things?

Is there no other option but investing several hours in awful "play" to be able to actually try and engage with other players in combat?

Missions pay too little and are so repetitive and boring that I can't justify paying real money to play them. Any type of harvesting of resources can be left to bottters and multiboxers. I can't get into production without taking important training time away from my goals of PvP play.

So I really feel like my options are very limited and that is killing my fun factor.

If the only way to PvP in this game is to spend 10x that amount of time doing mindless prep work, let me know so I can not renew my sub.

As a new player wanting to be involved in PvP I wasn't just watching the timer clock down.

As a new player, trying very hard to actually not be a high sec carebear, I greatly appreciate your snide response.

BTW check my kill board, and see how many stabbed fits I got popped in.

So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in?

So is plexing under any circumstances farming?

I don't understand the concept at work here. If I, as a new player, want to be in a position to engage in PvP and make enough ISK to do that at the same time, is there no option aside from piracy? That seems absurd to me.

And to be clear, sitting on plexes was boring as all get out when no one would show up. But at least I was in a PvP area, and making enough ISK to pay for keeping me there.

OP, can you not still make pretty good ISK either defensive plexing or offensive plexing with a higher DPS ship?

I subsidized 1.3 Billion ship losses in my first month in FW (starting as a 1-month old player).

That was before Kronos, sure, but I was also actively PVP-ing, in high DPS ships. Why don't you try that? ISK+fun.

If you want automagic money, that's not going to happen. The fact that earning money isn't a laugh-riot is a large part of what gives PvP in Eve meaning: when you lose something, you've actually lost a resource that will require at least a modicum of effort to replace.


There are pretty much limitless ways to make ISK. Hell, in low sec, just popping the occasional clone soldier in .2 or .1 will net you a quick 20-30m, and those guys are far from rare. Finding one of the new Mordus spawns would also net you a pretty penny, especially right now, while the price is still inflated by their newness.

You could also figure out how to adjust to the plex changes and then continue doing that and, as I mentioned before, flying cheaper ships that are more suited to your income level will also obviously help keep you in ISK.

You could do PI while you're running your other stuff. P1 extraction planets pay decently well considering the active time investment is minimal (15 minutes per day, an hour or so once a week moving goods around).

You could do exploration.

Nullsec relic sites pay between 20M and 100M each without hitting the BPC lottery. Nullsec data sites pay 10M to 30M or so.

Combat sites can pay out very well, but take a bit of time shooting red crosses, and the big payouts are sort of lottery based.

You could daytrip into C1 to C3 wormholes, depending on your skills. Combat anoms pay between 15M and 50M and take about 20 minutes plus salvage time.

All of them (IMO) are much more engaging than missions or mining.

I am a low skill player. My frigs do not present enough of a DPS threat to deal with the rats in even the novice plexes unless I fit only for DPS, which will make me go pop as soon as an actual player looks at me.

I could step up to bigger ships, but that just increases the problem, because anything I lose is now even more time to replace.

So I can't fly cruisers or BC's without getting eaten up, frigs and novice plexes are not even an income source. Maybe 10k LP/hr.

I was able to support my learning before the change. Now I cannot.

Try popping a clone soldier in frig with my skills. It doesn't happen unless I want to pull out something more expensive to risk it. Given my record of keeping ships alive, that is sheer folly.

Attacking a mordus ship would be suicide.

Again, with the changes, the lp/hr rate is so low running novice plexes that it isn't worth the time. If I have to supplement my attempts at learning PvP with tens of hours grinding PvE, it really isn't what I am after.

Get friends? And there's no reason something like a T1 cruiser has to represent a massive risk. If you pay attention to local and are diligent with your d-scan, it's still pretty easy to avoid most engagements in something cruiser sized. Your only real danger is going to come from gate camps - once you get one out into low, it shouldn't be too much of a risk. Stationless .1 systems are great places to pop clone soldiers - odds are you'll be the only person in the system.

If you say so. I haven't bumped into one yet, but I'm not expecting them to be particularly more dangerous than any other low sec NPC, which is to say, "Not very".

You really don't need to, but you do need to stop making excuses for why you can't do anything.

Roaming lowsec in a nice frig.

For isk I run capital escalations in C5 space. Being the first carrier on field means you can't be bored, plus it doesn't take long with the right fleet and you have more money than you'll need for said roaming above.

I don't think I am making excuses

All the low sec .2s and .1s are filled with pirates after the mordus ships. You go looking for a clone tag, and a T3 uncloaks and pops you. Tons o' fun.

I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.

If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.

Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made.

That's fascinating because I am currently sitting in a .1 right now and the only other person here is a 3 year old character with no killboard history. It is almost like you are making exaggerated claims about the risks of low sec in order to (ahem) excuse your inaction.

I didn't know all .1s are the same.

Maybe the one you were in and the ones I frequent have different populations and regulars.

I will restate my last post in clearer terms, since it seems to have gone ignored.

If none of the various forms of PVE farming appeals to you, why not try stealing, scamming, or piracy? These things are tons of fun, don't require much in the way of skills, and are generally as lucrative as only the highest levels of the PVE game.

Just saying because I remember the day when I wanted some isk, but couldn't bear to target another red cross or rock. I quit PVE cold turkey about two years ago and just eat what I kill, or steal. Best decision I ever made.

It was ignored because piracy holds no appeal to me in a game.

I play games as an avenue of escape from the real world, not to just extend my real life into them. I thought that was why piracy was so rampant in Eve. People pretending they are criminals because they never had the stones to do it in real life.

It was ignored because piracy holds no appeal to me in a game.

I play games as an avenue of escape from the real world, not to just extend my real life into them. I thought that was why piracy was so rampant in Eve. People pretending they are criminals because they never had the stones to do it in real life.

Ding ding ding!

Now that you've had this stunning revelation, what steps could you potentially take to alter your situation to your benefit?

Unless you're actually a pirate IRL, I'm not really sure what your point is supposed to be. You seem to be seeking pewpew, piracy is pewpew, what is unappealing about that?

Fair enough. Sounds like you didn't come here for answers, you came here to complain. Feel free to contract me your assets before you unsub. Have a nice life.

Beating up a kid is not getting into a fight.

See the difference?

Of course not.

This was a complaint, and also some form of search for a touch of guidance.

I got the answers I sought. Thanks for your suggestions, it helped me see that this game isn't for me.

Sure I'll skill right into a carrier to make some ISK.

*looks at time needed to get into a carrier*

lol, no.

I think what OP needs is a supportive corp that can throw ISK and manpower at him for these sorts of things.

Cant out DPS the rats? Bring a friend to add DPS or have him logi you while you run DPS fit.

Help them as a low level role as part of some larger operation, such as being the salvager or scanner in a WH corp. You take a cut of the earnings for doing your part and then you use it to fund your stuff.

Depending on how active said corp is they might be able to make even more PVP happen than usual cause they always pick fights :P

If you want some cheap PvP, buy a PLEX using RL money, then sell it in Jita. Right now, you can easily get 700m ISK for two- to three hours' work in real life, which can't really be matched using in-game methods..

Considering OP has lost several BCs, faction ships, and an Astero, I would guess this option may have already been exercised.

So any other typical eve-tards care to chime in?

This is my alt. I have spent a few days to train it only so much that it won't even be able to harm a mosquito but it will be able to run plexes. It was making me heaps of money for my main. I think crying in forums about it will yield better results than training my alt further so that it can actually engage stuff in decent ships.

This thread reeks of "Whaaa my playstyle was nerfed and I'm too damned lazy to adapt".

Let me give you some bittervet advice:

We who have been in this game longer than you have all been through this. We do not care, nor we do we find your whinging on about the situation to be in any way relevant or engaging. We are mostly in this thread to mock you - hopefully until you either man up or quit Eve forever while crying tears of unsatiated rage.

We don't really care which one you do so long as you quit your damned whining.

Dammit! I haven't even been playing six months yet, and by this definition I'm a bittervet? Help!

Null-Sec Anomalies are good cash and use a PVP skillset.

The other option is you fly very cheap fit ships designed to kill more blingy ships. An example years ago was killing faction Crows using a trash-fit Taranis using a 15KM Web.

These days faction modules are still popular but not as expensive - but Meta modules are also dirt cheap so 'trash fit' frigates can cost almost nothing. Clever use of E-War can win fights.