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Sorana Bonzari
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
15
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:31:00 -
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I know they are new and the prices are dumb but any guesses to what the price will balance out to?
my Guess:
Garmur - 90M - 150m
Orthrus- 200M - 300m
Barghest - 800m - 1b |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
254
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:39:00 -
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Depends on how much low sec ratting people are willing to do. Given the 100% BPC drop rate, I would expect the price to come down fairly quickly at least at first. People always do new content more when it's new.
My guess is give it 30 days and you'll see something like:
- Garmur - 80 - 100 mil
- Orthrus - 160 - 200 mil
- Barhgest - 750 - 1 bil
Remember when the attack battlecruisers launched in Crucible? The first few that hit the market were wildly overpriced, especially out of Jita. Give it a few weeks and it will calm down. |
Sorana Bonzari
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
15
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Posted - 2014.06.04 19:45:00 -
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in 2 hours worth of looking in low sec I found a frig bpc and a cruiser bpc so they aren't to rare that all im saying. right now its an amazing source of income |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1725
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Posted - 2014.06.04 22:34:00 -
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Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
573
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Posted - 2014.06.05 00:06:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one.
Even if you get your hands on a BPC now, doesn't mean you're not 'paying' more for it, by flying the ship rather than selling it, you're incurring the opportunity cost of not selling it at these inflated prices. |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages
Shadow Cartel
254
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Posted - 2014.06.05 02:50:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one. Even if you get your hands on a BPC now, doesn't mean you're not 'paying' more for it, by flying the ship rather than selling it, you're incurring the opportunity cost of not selling it at these inflated prices.
If I get one I'm getting my gouge on for sure. I will fly them later when the price settles out.
Incidentally we were not quoting current prices but rather attempting to project the cost of the Mordu's hulls in 4-6 weeks when the supply is healthier. |
Lahingingel
KolliURG
0
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Posted - 2014.06.05 10:41:00 -
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Longer term I would expect the frig to stabilize at approx 50 -70 mil, cruiser at 200 .. 300 mil and BS at ~500..700 mil. The 100% drop rate in low sec kinda sees to it.
The frigate BPC is 20k lp + 10 mil. If you will have a lp conversion rate of above ~2500 isk/LP for any extended period of time the people just move to 5zxx to do them over the other pirate factions. It is not that hard to get into some entity that is blue with locals. Unless you are a goon without any alts that is ;) And even then if you are good talker you will find some entity that is enough starving for a member to get you on-board. Just the way the life in null sec is for good or bad but almost everyone just needs more meat for the great grinder and if you do make occasional blips on the killboard most of the time the corp leaders are content to let you hang around and farm some. On the other hand if the conversion rate drops too low (significantly under ~1500 isk/LP) the farmers just move back to FW.
The missions themselves are exactly the same as in empire given by Caldari. Just the LP rate is approx twice that of the empire. Ofc with all the spotlight on the system you have to dodge combat probes often - depends on what timezone you play. You can grind the frigate BPC even in a destroyer or AF in few hours, especially if you optimize (There is four L2 agents in 5ZXX).
Another aspect is the datacores from exploration sites. These come also from hi-sec exploration and are already at only ~1.7 mil / unit. There is still some room to drop for them and they will also bring the rate down as it is trivial to go to jita, buy a small handful and go visit 5zxx for a second to convert them to BPC's. 5zxx is in a nutshell just 5 jumps from Jita (jump drives FTW), 4 of which are regular gates.
Ofc all this is just a wild speculation. Once the initial novelty wears off it really depends on how common are the low sec rats dropping them as I would expect that to be the main source of these BPC's. For all I know the 1 bil for the cruiser might be actually a fair price if the low sec drop rate is low and majority of the supply is from LP store as the LP store production capacity is finite at given number of mission-runners and attracting more is not instantaneous process nor to mention the entities living locally are not exactly looking for mission-runners. Their existing members are happy as it is with the prices and the entities in question are looking for a more |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2014.06.05 11:34:00 -
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Lahingingel wrote:The frigate BPC is 20k lp + 10 mil. If you will have a lp conversion rate of above ~2500 isk/LP for any extended period of time the people just move to 5zxx to do them over the other pirate factions. It is not that hard to get into some entity that is blue with locals. Unless you are a goon without any alts that is ;) And even then if you are good talker you will find some entity that is enough starving for a member to get you on-board. Just the way the life in null sec is for good or bad but almost everyone just needs more meat for the great grinder and if you do make occasional blips on the killboard most of the time the corp leaders are content to let you hang around and farm some. On the other hand if the conversion rate drops too low (significantly under ~1500 isk/LP) the farmers just move back to FW.
5ZHK is the Mordus Angels' home system. VFK-IV is three jumps away via jumpbridge. Your corp is almost certainly neutral/red to at least one of these corps. Good luck running missions here.
Quote:The missions themselves are exactly the same as in empire given by Caldari. Just the LP rate is approx twice that of the empire. Ofc with all the spotlight on the system you have to dodge combat probes often - depends on what timezone you play. You can grind the frigate BPC even in a destroyer or AF in few hours, especially if you optimize (There is four L2 agents in 5ZXX).
You also have to dock/undock in FZHK without getting blapped by instacanes or sensor boosted thrashers, make it to/from the mission system without running into gatecamps, etc. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
434
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Posted - 2014.06.05 12:31:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one.
That's purely due to market manipulation. The frig has dropped down to 160m multiple times, both on buy and sell orders, before someone steps in to prop the price back up. Same with cruisers, which have hit 500mil, and battleships, which have been at 2.2bil.
I expect them to stabilize at 100m / 300m / 900m sooner rather than later. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1941
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:49:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one. Even if you get your hands on a BPC now, doesn't mean you're not 'paying' more for it, by flying the ship rather than selling it, you're incurring the opportunity cost of not selling it at these inflated prices.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
65
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Posted - 2014.06.05 17:13:00 -
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Garmur - 80M - 120m
Orthrus- 200M - 300m
Barghest - 900m - 1.1b
Drop rates for new items/ships introduced are higher than what they would normally be, so as to get the new items out into the market so that people can start using them asap.
You'd have to wait until the drop rates fall to what they would normally be before the prices can even start evening out. |
Sorana Bonzari
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
18
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:18:00 -
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crazy0146 wrote:Garmur - 80M - 120m
Orthrus- 200M - 300m
Barghest - 900m - 1.1b
Drop rates for new items/ships introduced are higher than what they would normally be, so as to get the new items out into the market so that people can start using them asap.
You'd have to wait until the drop rates fall to what they would normally be before the prices can even start evening out.
Agreed
The BPC are just not that hard to get if you just hang around low sec belts for a wile.
Furthermore once the mission runners start getting the LP turning these bpc will be fairly common. If your a mission runner that likes isk you want to be first to market as with these ships as well.
The glory of a real market.
I just started this thread because people are telling me " you're crazy they are going to stay super high price because of how awesome they are" my argument is noooo they are awesome yes but after the supply saturates the market the price will drop to normal Faction ship prices regardless of how awesome the ship is.
Edit:
if fact because the ship is regarded as "awesome" there might be a larger supply then other ships in the near future so the price might bottom out then go back up to stable. |
Alexander Thorsen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.06.05 21:52:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Even if you get your hands on a BPC now, doesn't mean you're not 'paying' more for it, by flying the ship rather than selling it, you're incurring the opportunity cost of not selling it at these inflated prices.
You can only incur a market opportunity cost if you're actually in the market to sell and miss your chance to do so at a favorable price. For all you know he could place a higher valuation on owning and piloting the ship. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2383
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Posted - 2014.06.05 22:02:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have ye looked at jita prices?
He are off by a bit
The frig is around half a billion
The cruisers is a billion
And the battleship is about 4 billion.
Last I checked was about 12 hours ago so it might have changed since then but you would be well advised to go get the bpc rather than buy one.
I sold my first 10 Astero frigates for 200 mill each and my first Stratios for 600mill.
The first few weeks to a month mean nothing when it comes to the price of a ship
-á --á |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
579
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Posted - 2014.06.06 05:34:00 -
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Alexander Thorsen wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Even if you get your hands on a BPC now, doesn't mean you're not 'paying' more for it, by flying the ship rather than selling it, you're incurring the opportunity cost of not selling it at these inflated prices. You can only incur a market opportunity cost if you're actually in the market to sell and miss your chance to do so at a favorable price. For all you know he could place a higher valuation on owning and piloting the ship.
That is true, if his utility of owning the ship is high enough, it would be worth it to fly it over selling. However if that's the case then there's no point getting the BPC, that will take time (extra cost) compared to just buying it off the market now at the inflated prices (because his utility is higher than the price anyway). |
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