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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.06.12 19:45:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out what a Microwave disperser does to the water other than heat it to scalding temperatures.
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2006.06.12 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 12/06/2006 20:06:43
The Microwave disperser works by stiulating the pain response in a human's nervious tissue, not exciting the molecules to produce heat. The device is short ranged and very direction and ment only to be used in the most dire situations of crowd control. In addition, the human body has enough water to boil in itself that covering someone with water would be superflous..
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CEO of TKI
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2006.06.12 20:52:00 -
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 Quote:
...covering someone with water would be superflous..
Mmm, anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Idama's Intaki Water Party!
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.12 21:08:00 -
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Ive never claimed to kill a Ishtar with my Incursus fool. I killed a celestis. That being said, if you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread start another one and we can argue there.
on topic. The donations are still coming in, and its heartwarming to see concern from the public. Keep them coming and we can make it safe again.
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Denny Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.12 21:40:00 -
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Greetings,
I have had one of my intelligence officers retrieve this old photo from our Intelligence Databank. In it, you will find Joan Engel in her native environment.
As far as this issue is concerned, why do you not solicit the aid of your Matari friends? Surely, they have some ideas on how to liberate the Intaki people!
My best,
Denny Crane
Chancellor
Black Storm Clan
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.12 22:34:00 -
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Alright Lock this thread please.
All offers of donations can be arranged with a Convo or Evemail.
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2006.06.13 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 13/06/2006 00:42:38
Skallzsy is still gathering items for you I believe.
and to be fair Jon you started the insult banter with the kissing butt comment. I think Denny Crane is just responding. Locking the thread would be somewhat inconvenient to those who wish to donate once its migrates off the front page from lack of bumps.
Though I find it hard to believe you are actually only 3 feet tall and green as the picture with you and Jalia suggests. How would you reach the peddles?
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skallszy
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Posted - 2006.06.13 03:10:00 -
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The Intaki Union is happy to see the large support for arming the Intaki people, what a joy to watch!
We ofcause would like to give our contribution, fom gathering form our members we have collected:
7500 high-tech small arms
200.000 various light missils and rockets
100 Marines ready to fight.
60 frigats. consisting of 50 incursus's and 10 Imicus
We hope the Idama will accept this small effort to help.
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Raajib
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Posted - 2006.06.13 07:45:00 -
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((To also be fair, I get angry at trollers. He's been known to hijack threads for whatever his phsycopathic needs are to be heard. furthermore If he posts here again about something stupid and irrelevant, I encourage people to ignore his moronic banter.))
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Denny Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.13 08:35:00 -
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Greetings,
Since he has some of the support of prominent Caldari Citizens, my interest has been piqued. I have wired a small stipend to Mr. Engel's account. Let us see how this plays out.
Regards,
Denny Crane
Chancellor
Black Storm Clan
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Maxell Snow
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Posted - 2006.06.13 15:23:00 -
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As mentioned previously Jon does not have the infrastructure to accept direct isk donations for this effort. Krysalis has volunteered to do so. All isk donations will be directly applied towards materials for arms manufactruing.
An industrial, roleplaying corporation, currently recruiting
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Engel on 13/06/2006 22:16:22
Ive had word with the Idama recently via a EveMail.
Ive updated my list of accepted items.
Small Arms
High Tech Small Arms
Rockets
Light Missiles
75mm, 125mm and 150 mm railguns of the small variety
1400mm howitzers
Medium pulse lasers
Planetary Vehicles of any kind, whether they are tanks, armored cars or civilian automobiles.
Medium Laser Crystals.
Large Projectile shells.
Small Hybrid Ammunition.
Rocket Launchers
Standard Missile Launchers
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.13 22:30:00 -
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Here is a list of donations and pledges so far. Weve had more but we havent had time to consolidate them all so far.
Nolin Riis: 80 Units of small Arms. 300 flameburst light missiles, 100 foxfire rockets, 500
piranha light missiles, 100 Gremlin Rockets
Leth Orion: 5000 Units of Hight Tech Small Arms.
Corwin Aren: 40,000 Light Missiles, 60,000 Rockets, 500 High tech small arms.
Yasujiro Kaibara: 11,000 units of High Tech Small Arms.
Malthros Zenobia: 500,000 BloodClaw Light Missiles, 500,000 Flameburst Light Missiles,
500,000 piranha Light Missiles, 500,000 Sabertooth Light Missiles. 500,000 Foxfire Rockets,
500,000 Gremlin rockets, 500,000 Phalanx rockets, 500,000 Thorn Rockets.
Intaki Union: 7500 high-tech small arms 200.000 various light missils and rockets
Hondo Kimotoro: 50 150mm Railguns, 60,000 antimatter charges, 10,000 Iridium Charges
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
*blinks*
Spraying crowds with boiling hot water Gorion?
And here I thought laser beams and bullets were brutal.
And this is why boosters are bad kids.
High-pressure water cannon does not equal boiling hot water.
Well it probably does for you. Those who make others kill one another for sport would truly be the ones to see for barbarism, wouldn't you agree Kaleigh?
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Denny Crane
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:51:00 -
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Greetings,
Mr. Engel, please list my ISK donation, and transfer it to this Krysalis person.
Thank you,
Denny Crane
Chancellor
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:58:00 -
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Your ISK was returned to you. Check your bank acount transaction journal. You can send that ISK to Maxell Snow. I will promptly return all ISK donations to the donator.
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Petrus Illyusanov
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:44:00 -
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Mr. Engel,
Due to my encounter with the "Dentist" I have 185 standard cargo units of high quality Ishukone energy weapons (unassembled). I have no problem with donating these fine weapons to your cause but I am afraid that they are currently in the Amaar Empire, so it will be a few days before I am able to go retrieve them.
If you have individuals operating in the Amaar empire it might be more efficient to have them collect them rather than waiting for me to bring them back to the State. Please feel free to contact me on the alliance channel to discuss this matter further and we can decide on how best to get the weapons to you.
Dr. P. Illyusanov,
CAIN Midshipman (probationary)
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Taira Udigami
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Taira Udigami on 14/06/2006 10:10:15
Originally by: Andre Ricard
Yes, the Federal Constitution protects the right to bear arms. This isn't the Amarr Empire, where the leaders want their populace unarmed and docile.
It's interesting that you mention this, as Intaki is actually covered by a rarely-used by-law that states a permit is required to carry in public a lethal firearm. Curiously there appears to be no mandate in place to separate police forces from this either, so theoretically it is illegal for any citizen other then military personnel to carry a firearm without a licence. As I find no mention of Intaki being under martial law, there is a technical violation of constellation law by having a firearm. However I also find that no permits have been issued in the last fifteen years, and the only arrests for possession of illegal arms have been in cases where the weapons are of large-scale military-grade smuggling or as part of arrests and raids to do with other much more serious crimes.
As to why Intaki requires (legally) permits for citizens to own firearms, all I can fathom is that the law was passed almost directly after the formation of the Legion.
In other words Jon, your actions in supplying arms to the Intaki people, if they don't have a permit, are a technical breach of law, though its a law that seems to bear no weight whatsoever in over a decade and is largely ignored both by the populace and Federation justice.
I would recommend that the Intaki people ask for this obselete law to be removed from constellation legislature.
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Taraq Nord
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Taira Udigami
It's interesting that you mention this, as Intaki is actually covered by a rarely-used by-law that states a permit is required to carry in public a lethal firearm. Curiously there appears to be no mandate in place to separate police forces from this either, so theoretically it is illegal for any citizen other then military personnel to carry a firearm without a licence. As I find no mention of Intaki being under martial law, there is a technical violation of constellation law by having a firearm. However I also find that no permits have been issued in the last fifteen years, and the only arrests for possession of illegal arms have been in cases where the weapons are of large-scale military-grade smuggling or as part of arrests and raids to do with other much more serious crimes.
As to why Intaki requires (legally) permits for citizens to own firearms, all I can fathom is that the law was passed almost directly after the formation of the Legion.
In other words Jon, your actions in supplying arms to the Intaki people, if they don't have a permit, are a technical breach of law, though its a law that seems to bear no weight whatsoever in over a decade and is largely ignored both by the populace and Federation justice.
I would recommend that the Intaki people ask for this obselete law to be removed from constellation legislature.
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Taira Udigami
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Posted - 2006.06.14 13:43:00 -
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There is a huge difference between having a law and enforcing it. I merely point out that the law exists but hasn't mattered in any real sense for ages. A copy of the mandate is available at any Caldari Business Tribunal Information Centre.
As with any judiciary, the time of the Supreme Court is extremely limited, and I assume that no one has bothered to actually go back and repeal the Act. Perhaps the most famous of laws in our galaxy that has never been repealed despite its original intent being lost through the age can be found here. It now has very different connotations which makes a repeal unlikely.
You will find throughout all the civilizations a maze of forgotten, contradictory and in some cases ridiculous laws. For the main most societies make the decision to simply not enforce the rules rather then change them to free the courts. It is an inevitable side effect of having large judiciaries.
Again, one must look at the common sense of the situation: if Luminaire is not enforcing the law, then it is fairly certain that it is not an important law.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.14 23:07:00 -
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Small Arms are legal in the Federation, There is no mention of permit to carry laws anywhere. Your making this up for whatever reasons you have. Besides these weapons are for police and military personnel in the first place so your comments are to be disregarded and ignored.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.15 01:16:00 -
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I see the STI needs to start restricting GlNet access for those who fail their social science classes again.
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Taira Udigami
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Posted - 2006.06.15 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Engel
Small Arms are legal in the Federation, There is no mention of permit to carry laws anywhere.
As I said previously, its a useless law, unenforced, forgotten, and hardly makes any sense in these dangerous times. If you don't have a legal background, finding it will take forever. As much as anything I demonstrate that the Senate needs to overhaul much of its legal system to allow far more equality within the Federation.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Your making this up for whatever reasons you have.
If you wish my legal advice to be more "mainstream", then certainly, though I find the nuances of different cultural laws fascinating. Did you know that if all the laws of the State were printed out and stacked up they would reach the top mast of a Scorpion? Yet half of these are never affected. Incredible. And don't get me started on Concord.
Originally by: Jon Engel
Besides these weapons are for police and military personnel in the first place so your comments are to be disregarded and ignored.
My free advice should always be ignored, however this is quite interesting.
If you are arming citizens to form what would effectively be local militia, that's why I mentioned the permit law - indeed, fully knowing that it makes no difference in this day and age. There are no Federal policies on private ownership of small arms. However, if you are arming military personnel, this is more complex.
You are asking citizens - amongst them Caldari - to arm Federation police and military services. They aren't receiving payment for this, so it isn't really a standard arms deal. If in the future these arms are used against the State, even if legally you and fellow contributors fall between the *****s of interstellar law, aren't you and they jointly responsible morally for arming what would then be an enemy of the CEP? I know that in your case Jon it would merely be support for your fellow people, though you are a member of a body that is pro-State, yet have never had to swear an oath of allegiance. In the case of the Caldari donators, that could be viewed very badly in the future.
If the weapons however are turned on the Federation at any time, then your acts could be seen as seditious - as you would be supplying what the Federation would no doubt see as terrorists with arms.
Even if none of the above apply, are the Federation personnel you intend to equip allowed to accept the weaponry? Most police forces have rules about accepting gifts (as they see them, bribes) without official sanction. It could be that for all your hard work the weaponry has to stay in a warehouse while a mountain of paperwork is completed.
I am unfamiliar with the laws and regulations covering planetary police forces on Intaki itself, though I could look into it for you. I wasn't aware that planet-bound police required military-grade hardware in the form of tanks and exo-armour for a start. Policing on Intaki must be tougher then I thought.
This kindness that you do the Intaki people is a legal maze, and I am more then happy to offer my reasonably-priced services to you and your movement. I will in the meantime do some background reading on the role of an Idama as law-makers on Intaki, as his legal status seems to be open to confusion. Much of the Ida appears to be culturally binding, but is that the same as legally so? If an Idama says "this is the way it should be", the Intaki people should listen, but is what they say advice, or is it law?
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2006.06.15 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Mmm, anyone thinking what I'm thinking?
Idama's Intaki Water Party!
I'm still reminiscing about a scantily clad Kaleigh Doyle near the pool at Club Allure, a truly breathtaking spectacle that was marvelous to behold.
Unfortunately, I seem to have forgotten the topic of discussion here. I will encourage all my fellow pilots to pay a visit to Club Allure at their earliest possible convenience, though!
This has been a shameless plug for Club Allure.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.16 08:30:00 -
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I will be making my shipments to Intaki next week so this sunday is the deadline for donations. I will come aquire these donations from anywhere from 0.5 or higher space, in any region.
please contact me through EveMail or drop a line this weekend. I will do my best to collect them all.
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:46:00 -
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Well I do know that the Solist compound remaining on Intaki has some defensive industrial ability so to speak. Of course, since Intaki is still a Federation system, I will put in a word and pull some strings with a few people I know, maybe have some volunteers from the military assigned as a small garrison on the planet. I am certain that would help to keep population centers from succumbing to paranoia at least. |
Alexi Gemoto
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Posted - 2006.06.25 08:26:00 -
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for everybody's interest...will thier be any other opportunity to donate weapon's and technology to help the Intakis home planet become more safe and prosperous.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2006.06.25 08:42:00 -
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I have made the first shipment. Included in it was millions of rockets and light missiles. Railguns and charges, and High Tech small arms and various planetary vehicles.
Assuming they do not end up in the hands of Sansha's Nation as they where handed over to Vremaja's wife via a market escrow. They will help the Intaki arm themselves.
As for now, you can contact Placid Reborn regarding future donations as im sure they will not mind holding onto them for you and im trying to get this wrapped up and passed on to someone with more time on his hands.
Sadly due to certain circumstances, I will not be shipping the remaining load to Intaki till I know for sure they where given to the Intaki people via the Idama's wife.
If they do end up in the wrong hands, I will hand over all the weaponry and goods to Placid Reborn in hopes that they could transport them to Intaki at a time of conveniance for all interested partys.
Anyone willing to donate currently is discouraged from doing so till I can sort out the logistics of this endeavor and make sure the goods are not diverted by suspicious partys involved.
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