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epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
Rage Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.18 00:55:00 -
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I was thinking...
Its getting hard enough to run this game on my computer and I would think that most people dont play on like state of the art computers so why upgrade the graphics with new warp trails etc etc new skins for ships
oooo aaaaahhh they look pretty...
most people can not afford to replace there comuters or upgrade in these days/times....
most people i know trun graphics to minimal anyway to run the game for best performance and turn off brackets.. :D
also with these new graphics out of the window will bring down the sizes of the updates and personally if i wanted to download a game then download 20gig of updates i would play WOW (no i would not its crap lol)....
I love this game.... :D
in short please dunt upgrade the graphics anymore.. or make them optional downloads that would suite everyone i think... :D like a basic client like you had before and a enhansed graphics pach that could be downloaded if required.. :D |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
116
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:00:00 -
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epsilonion wrote:I was thinking...
Its getting hard enough to run this game on my computer and I would think that most people dont play on like state of the art computers so why upgrade the graphics with new warp trails etc etc new skins for ships
oooo aaaaahhh they look pretty...
most people can not afford to replace there comuters or upgrade in these days/times....
most people i know trun graphics to minimal anyway to run the game for best performance and turn off brackets.. :D
also with these new graphics out of the window will bring down the sizes of the updates and personally if i wanted to download a game then download 20gig of updates i would play WOW (no i would not its crap lol)....
I love this game.... :D
in short please dunt upgrade the graphics anymore.. or make them optional downloads that would suite everyone i think... :D like a basic client like you had before and a enhansed graphics pach that could be downloaded if required.. :D
As Much sa I symphathize with you...this game cannot get anywhere without progress....its over 6 Years old if not older.
There's been many changes in industry. Honestly the only thing I'd ask is if they SLOW IT DOWN progression wise.
But what is slow?
Depends on whose computer your sitting in front of. |
epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
Rage Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.18 01:22:00 -
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giving options to graphics etc would not be slowing down progress... it would give the user more control of what they want and how they want to run the game....
this inturn could increase users machine performance etc etc.....
on the other hand......
say they delaid graphics upgrades they would save a hell of alot of resources (money time etc) and they could focus on fixing bugs from the first patch and upward.. this would be progress in it self.. :D
for me and alot of others that graphics are not that important as a upgrade but game features and fixes I find that the resources would be better spent... why reinvent the wheel and stick with what we have for now on the graphics side anyways.. :D
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
297
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Posted - 2011.11.18 02:06:00 -
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Keeping the graphics "fresh" means that you can retain the feeling of novelty while the players are still playing the same game for years at a time.
I'm currently playing EVE on a 17" 2GHz iMac Core 2 Duo, which has a Radeon x1600 graphics card. This is borderline supported, I still play the game just fine (except for shadows: the graphics card hates shadows, they expand to fill the entire universe, bogging the machine down as the processor tries to comprehend the enormity of nothingness), and that model iMac is now 5 years old. It's time for me to upgrade (I haven't tried Singularity on my Mac GÇö by the time I download it, there's a new patch out).
In the meantime, my laptop is getting the same frame rates with "medium" detail as it was previously getting with "low" detail. I don't know what magic CCP have pulled here, but it's pretty awesome.
I would recommend you try the Singularity client. See how it runs on your computer: I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
187
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Posted - 2011.11.18 14:32:00 -
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Gonna have to go with no on this one. Sorry...but why should I, with my shiny computer and new hardware, suffer because you don't have a good enough PC? You will always have the ability to turn your graphics down...there is absolutely no logical reason to stop CCP from keeping EvE relevant by upgrading the graphics unless they "FORCE" you to play it on high graphics and remove the ability to adjust graphical settings.
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CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
33
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:54:00 -
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epsilonion wrote:I was thinking...
Its getting hard enough to run this game on my computer and I would think that most people dont play on like state of the art computers so why upgrade the graphics with new warp trails etc etc new skins for ships
oooo aaaaahhh they look pretty...
most people can not afford to replace there comuters or upgrade in these days/times....
most people i know trun graphics to minimal anyway to run the game for best performance and turn off brackets.. :D
also with these new graphics out of the window will bring down the sizes of the updates and personally if i wanted to download a game then download 20gig of updates i would play WOW (no i would not its crap lol)....
I love this game.... :D
in short please dunt upgrade the graphics anymore.. or make them optional downloads that would suite everyone i think... :D like a basic client like you had before and a enhansed graphics pach that could be downloaded if required.. :D
Hi Epsilonion, I will try to give you some information that should put your mind at ease. We take performance into account on any graphics development task we take on and in actual fact I think you'll find the client will only perform better with the current 'upgrades'.
I will give you a few examples:
The Warp Effect - This is a new effect which actually has less overhead than the old warp tunnel because the shader instructions were reduced (It's just been done in a more efficient manner). However, we added the 'distortion' effect which of course has an overhead associated with it which makes the tunnel slightly heavier on resources. We decided to only enable the distortion effect when players select the shader quality 'High' setting.
This means that if people have computers that canGÇÖt handle the distortion effect they can turn on the medium shader quality and still experience a really good looking warp effect.
V3ing of Ships - We have created a new texture packing method that is more optimal giving us greater control and fidelity on the ship textures. This method also reduces the size of the textures, thus you will have less loaded textures in your GPU memory and the client size will reduce because the file sizes have gone.
Now the client size is going to go up this release but the reason for this is that we have actually added all factional variants for each V3'd ship hull, however these are not hooked up in-game yet.
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Endovior
Brothers At Arms
Intrepid Crossing
37
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:04:00 -
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Excellent answer! Thank you, CCP Vertex, and know that your efforts in making things better looking AND more efficient are very much appreciated! <3 |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
138
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Posted - 2011.11.18 23:30:00 -
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most things can be turned off.
Also I can run eve on a really old lap top I picked up for $50.....
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
43
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Posted - 2011.11.19 00:30:00 -
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Lo seriously add every effect u can just have levels and options to disable this way those people that spend what 50$ for some ram and say 100 can still enjoy sexy eve and those who prefer or run pc,s from the 90s are also happy |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
200
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Posted - 2011.11.19 06:02:00 -
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Eve graphics already look like something from the 90s compared to real games like Battlefield 3. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2011.11.19 08:35:00 -
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Kids these days, it's always about graphics, even though graphics don't really matter. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:03:00 -
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You are mixing up two different things:
- one is the graphics processing load (and the effort to optimize it)
- the other is minimum graphics card feature set, which you upped, because a) you didn't want to maintain multiple code paths, and b) you had to introduce Incarna (which still runs craptastically on the minimum required hardware). |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
71
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Posted - 2011.11.19 12:34:00 -
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CCP Vertex wrote:epsilonion wrote:I was thinking...
Its getting hard enough to run this game on my computer and I would think that most people dont play on like state of the art computers so why upgrade the graphics with new warp trails etc etc new skins for ships
oooo aaaaahhh they look pretty...
most people can not afford to replace there comuters or upgrade in these days/times....
most people i know trun graphics to minimal anyway to run the game for best performance and turn off brackets.. :D
also with these new graphics out of the window will bring down the sizes of the updates and personally if i wanted to download a game then download 20gig of updates i would play WOW (no i would not its crap lol)....
I love this game.... :D
in short please dunt upgrade the graphics anymore.. or make them optional downloads that would suite everyone i think... :D like a basic client like you had before and a enhansed graphics pach that could be downloaded if required.. :D Hi Epsilonion, I will try to give you some information that should put your mind at ease. We take performance into account on any graphics development task we take on and in actual fact I think you'll find the client will only perform better with the current 'upgrades'. I will give you a few examples: The Warp Effect - This is a new effect which actually has less overhead than the old warp tunnel because the shader instructions were reduced (It's just been done in a more efficient manner). However, we added the 'distortion' effect which of course has an overhead associated with it which makes the tunnel slightly heavier on resources. We decided to only enable the distortion effect when players select the shader quality 'High' setting. This means that if people have computers that canGÇÖt handle the distortion effect they can turn on the medium shader quality and still experience a really good looking warp effect. V3ing of Ships - We have created a new texture packing method that is more optimal giving us greater control and fidelity on the ship textures. This method also reduces the size of the textures, thus you will have less loaded textures in your GPU memory and the client size will reduce because the file sizes have gone down. Now the client size is going to go up this release but the reason for this is that we have actually added all factional variants for each V3'd ship hull, however these are not hooked up in-game yet.
Excellent post quoted for excellence. 
One thing I would like from a performance stand point is a greater granularity of performance options. A greater degree of tweaking would be very nice in places.
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David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
StructureDamage
4
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Posted - 2011.11.19 16:17:00 -
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Anecdotal reports from SiSi imply that Cruicble will run better than the current Tranquility build, though I'm not sure why it would at the moment. Probably a techy blog full of graphs will explain it. |
Khamelea
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.20 07:58:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Kids these days, it's always about graphics, even though graphics don't really matter.
"The use of the phrase, GÇ£style over substanceGÇ¥ has always been, as Oscar Wilde observed, a marvellous and instant indicator of a fool. For those who perceive a separation between the two have either not lived, thought, read or experienced the world with any degree of insight, imagination or connective intelligence. It may have been Leclerc Buffon who first said GÇ£le style cGÇÖest lGÇÖhomme GÇö the style is the manGÇ¥ but it is an observation that anyone with sense had understood centuries before. Only dullards crippled into cretinism by a fear of being thought pretentious could be so dumb as to believe that there is a distinction between design and use, between form and function, between style and substance." - Stephen Fry |
Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
22
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Posted - 2011.11.21 01:18:00 -
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I would actually ask CCP to upgrade textures on capitals, they are prettey bad (bigger ships need bigger textures) I can see faults even on BS textures, capitals just look bad.
As for stopping upgrades, you see, they probably have an art department, and it's not like you can get a CGI specialist to do a network engineer's job. So even though I recognize that i am probably more fortunate than some, they might as well do something useful as opposed to nothing. |
epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
Rage Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:41:00 -
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Thank you CCP Vertex sounding good there, the point i was trying to get accross never seemed to come accross.. but sounds like you know what i was trying to say.. :D
us older guys are more interested in game play rather then graphics.. :D hehehhehe but since there more optimised and can be lowered and turned off is ok.. :D
TY for a good explanation etc etc.. :D
regards
epsi |
epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
Rage Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:43:00 -
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Khamelea wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Kids these days, it's always about graphics, even though graphics don't really matter. "The use of the phrase, GÇ£style over substanceGÇ¥ has always been, as Oscar Wilde observed, a marvellous and instant indicator of a fool. For those who perceive a separation between the two have either not lived, thought, read or experienced the world with any degree of insight, imagination or connective intelligence. It may have been Leclerc Buffon who first said GÇ£le style cGÇÖest lGÇÖhomme GÇö the style is the manGÇ¥ but it is an observation that anyone with sense had understood centuries before. Only dullards crippled into cretinism by a fear of being thought pretentious could be so dumb as to believe that there is a distinction between design and use, between form and function, between style and substance." - Stephen Fry
lmao you high mate??? |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:15:00 -
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I think what would be nice, long term, would be if they introduced an alternate mode that people can play in that have very low graphical requirements which could have a seperate roadmap from the 'pretty' graphics.
When I say alternate mode, I mean something like a beefed up version of the current solar system viewer, or the current screen zoomed out to symbols only. Another possiblity would be the old style textureless wireframes from MechWarrior 1/2 which were aesteticly interesting but not too processor intensive. |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:26:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Eve graphics already look like something from the 90s compared to real games like Battlefield 3.
Ahh another game where you get blown to bits and respawn.
Yay for reality... |
Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy
Controlled Chaos
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:38:00 -
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epsilonion wrote:I was thinking...
Its getting hard enough to run this game on my computer and I would think that most people dont play on like state of the art computers so why upgrade the graphics with new warp trails etc etc new skins for ships
oooo aaaaahhh they look pretty...
most people can not afford to replace there comuters or upgrade in these days/times....
most people i know trun graphics to minimal anyway to run the game for best performance and turn off brackets.. :D
also with these new graphics out of the window will bring down the sizes of the updates and personally if i wanted to download a game then download 20gig of updates i would play WOW (no i would not its crap lol)....
I love this game.... :D
in short please dunt upgrade the graphics anymore.. or make them optional downloads that would suite everyone i think... :D like a basic client like you had before and a enhansed graphics pach that could be downloaded if required.. :D
Damn I was about to say that I just bought skyrim and battlefield 3 which look really nice on PC, and it would be great if Eve kept up with current graphics. new DirectX is pretty awesome....
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epsilonion
CLOVEN SKY
Rage Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:28:00 -
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The point i was originaly trying to get to was, that the simple client and full client like there was be for would be great as graphics dont matter to me over game play.... All the people i know put the client on basic graphics anyways so and hide brackets etc anyways so the option to have a basic client would be great and keep the option of having full blown graphics for the carebears out there...
Watch me get flaimed by the retqards that prefer to have graphics over game play... Hell bet they only have the graphics set hiogh cos there sat in a belt anyways.... O well signing off now bored of this subject as it only a suggestion in the first place..
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