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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.11 14:06:00 -
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ECM has decreased the ability gap between genuinely resourceful pvp'ers and people with lots of mid slots.
Where as intelligence and patience once paid off if you were completely outnumbered it doesn't anymore because if you bring less people you dont get to shoot.
Obviously it isn't quite as absolute as this but its certainly blurred the distinction.
This is the reason it []has to[/b] change.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:19:00 -
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50% reduction in jamming strength across the board with bonuses on jamming ships giving +50% at respective 'spaceship command' level 5.
Couple this with limited ECM slots on non ECM ships.
eg,, battleships = 1 or 2 slots (exception scorp), cruisers = 1 slot (exception Falcon, Rook, bb), frigs = no slots (exception griffin)
Fixed? Theres always going to be a difference in opinion.
In my eyes the complete lack of firepower on any of the Caldari jam platforms more than makes up for this "Caldari boost".
It's definitely better than the current method though.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: Drakir Everborn
I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by insulting Cown and generally being an ass. You could have been nice about it and maybe even get your opinion through; now you only look like a smart idiot... If there is such a thing.
Lets get this straight:
1. Using words such as "ass" and "idiot" while referring to another person is generally perceived as an insult.
2. Defending another person's opionion which cant even be backed up with fact, doesnt make you look too smart either.
3. As long as you dont finish reading a post and show you are able to understand,... Until then I couldnt care less if my "opinion goes through" for you.
Maybe you can show "Cown's facts"? 
Originally by: Drakir Everborn
We are having a (at least I think so) constructive discussion concerning what we percieve as the problem with ECM and if/how to change it. Instead of saying things like "anyone with a clue knows" explain it to us.
Doesnt "constructive" include pointing at the problem first. If you consider "problem with EW", "too random" and "too lucky" as a problem's definiton,... then I cant help you at all.
So enough chit chat: Cown failed to post the threads on the facts, can you?
You've got a severe attitude problem dude.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: welsh wizard
You've got a severe attitude problem dude.
Luckily a constructive post from you
I've already made my constructive posts earlier in the thread.
You're just plain rude to people who are posting their thoughts. You don't get by in life with that attitude Hydrogen.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/06/2006 12:14:35
Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: welsh wizard
Make base ECM 50% weaker.
10% per level to ECM strength on ECM ships.
Perhaps coupled with limited ECM slots.
The whole point of your post comes down to nerf ECM for all ships, except for ECM-ships. But not only that, "perhaps" just limit the ECM slots too.
Talking about attitude
Well if you disagree fair enough. The way I see it is ECM ships should be precisely that, ECM ships.
Everything else shouldn't be using it or should at least have allocated ECM slots (2 max on a Dominix for example).
We obviously want two completely different things, you're -V- so presumably you want to carry on flying your double figure cruiser ECM zerg fleets which is fair enough. I think thats damn lame.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/06/2006 12:50:30
Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: welsh wizard
Well if you disagree fair enough. The way I see it is ECM ships should be precisely that, ECM ships.
Prepared a cool post for you and now a sane answer :(
See, in regards to ECM ships we already have additional ECM boni. Like the Scorpion for example:
"Special Ability: 5% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength and 20% bonus to ECM Target Jammer optimal range per level." or all the others...
So ECM ships are... ECM ships already. No need to add to them.
Originally by: welsh wizard
Everything else shouldn't be using it or should at least have allocated ECM slots (2 max on a Dominix for example).
Why shouldn't anyone else? First there was a "Nerf NOS" round. Now its a "Nerf ECM". Again its the same: trying to force a different playstyle upon others. I consider that inacceptable.
Originally by: welsh wizard
We obviously want two completely different things, you're -V- so presumably ...
I suggest you plain stop to include -V- in this topic.
a) its off-topic
b) you just assume
c) it brings you nowhere
d) that Mr "welsh wizard" really is a questionable attitude
ECM has lowered the ability gap between resourceful pvp'ers and someone with lots of mid slots. It is vastly overpowered on ships that just shouldn't be using it.
Do you think ECM on interceptors is a good thing?
Do you think Gallente being far superior to any other race simpily because of ECM is a good thing?
Do you think winning because you bought 50 cruisers and frigs with ECM fitted is a good thing?
If you answered yes to any of the above then we completely disagree in the first place and arguing with you is utterly hopeless.
I want the game to be the way it used to be, I want guns, missiles and good tactical decisions to decide battles, not a silly module that people put on their taranis, stilleto or thorax.
Small corps used to be able to face vast alliances with far fewer ships and still come out on top through leadership and good setups. Those days are gone and its primarily the fault of ECM. Thats why I want a severe nerf.
To an extent CCP have destroyed this game for the smaller pvp corp and the fault rests squarely on the shoulders of the ECM module.
Bring more ships or you don't get to shoot..... Lame.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: welsh wizard
Well if you disagree fair enough. The way I see it is ECM ships should be precisely that, ECM ships.
What level is your cleric?
That 'in' joke went completely over my head, sorry..
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And Caldari are NOT the "weakest for firepower". Sheesh.. they use missiles. That's something else entirely.
Lehmanns: Other races weapons kill ships faster than missiles because they do more damage per second.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.06.19 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 19/06/2006 13:18:35
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
I would say a resourcefull PvPer knows the game and fits what brings best results (be it ECM or anything else). About the 50 cruisers and frigates, hell yes !!! If the other side is stupid enough to not anticipate such a possibility, then they should lose. Restricting the game to some "Rules of engagement" is the worst you can do, because that limits tactical options and makes battles predictable.
I do not say that ECM in its current form is stellar, there are certainly problems. But it opens possibilities otherwise not acceptable.
I've got to rid myself of this 'good fight' ethic. "Winning is everything, not enjoyment", I'll write that down 500 times on a bit of paper.
I'll just say it how I see it in the simplest way possible.
ECM has made this game worse for the smaller group of pvp'ers.
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