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James Rapture
Dead Star Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:28:00 -
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o7
My fellow Wormhole Capsuleers,
How much do you all value honoring ransoms and arranged fights? I feel that there is some integrity hidden deep inside some of these holes and I want to know what you all think about keeping one's words.
Discuss
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Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition
Protean Concept
163
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:04:00 -
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I hate arranged fights personally.
But ransoms or arrangements shall always be honored.
-Bl+¦d
http://bloodytravels.blogspot.com/ -á-- My travels through space. |
Kalel Nimrott
Rolled Out
1065
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:10:00 -
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Honor them or risk **** off the wrong people, and wspace is not that big. Someone eventually is going to find you.
GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Freddie Merrcury
Daktaklakpak.
107
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Posted - 2014.06.07 00:49:00 -
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how the **** do you arrange fights in a space that is based upon random connections
also the first rule of ransom is aim high because they might be dumb enough to pay it.
I been kicked out of better homes than this. |
James Rapture
Dead Star Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.07 01:10:00 -
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Freddie Merrcury wrote:how the **** do you arrange fights in a space that is based upon random connections
Sometimes attached groups just want to fight and leveling the playing field brings fun fights. A little change from ganks. |
Braxus Deninard
Rolled Out
430
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Posted - 2014.06.07 02:04:00 -
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Arranged fights are fine if you enjoy them. Some people have the attitude that an arranged fight is better than no fight at all, and that's cool, but personally in 99% of cases I would just roll away and find an actual fight. Arranged stuff is pretty pointless imo, especially if you arrange it to the point of 5v5 cruisers or something like that. |
Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
145
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Posted - 2014.06.07 02:49:00 -
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Arranged fights. Don't get me started on why this is so tasteless and contradictory to the nature of EVE. Nothing short of blasphemous.
But if I say I'm going to let you go for "x" isk, I will honor that. It's my word after all.
I'm a friggin' banana. |
The Feuror
Dominion of Inter-Celestial Kings
Trapped.
51
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Posted - 2014.06.07 03:01:00 -
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Unless we as WH'ers are arranging a roam to all go out and **** in/roam known space. Arranging fights is #gayasfuck
But if you dont honor your Ransom your not gonna like living in WH's when you roll into the people that do (and believe me we will find out if you dont honor ransoms)
^ probably a troll. |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1760
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Posted - 2014.06.07 04:14:00 -
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Arranged fights are the Aids of WH space and you will never find me saying yes to an arranged fight, i would rather roll you away.
We always honor ransoms and have kicked a guy for not honoring something stupid in HS. But it doesn't mean you have to make a deal that needs to be honored, i would rather just pod them and be done. (Unless its an entertaining song ransom)
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J3rz11
Hard Knocks Inc.
98
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Posted - 2014.06.07 04:32:00 -
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James Rapture wrote:o7 My fellow Wormhole Capsuleers, How much do you all value honoring ransoms and arranged fights? I feel that there is some integrity hidden deep inside some of these holes and I want to know what you all think about keeping one's words. Discuss
ransoms: if your dumb enough to pay, your dumb enough to lose that isk and your ship 
honoring arranged fights: always. we had fun arranged 3v3s, 5v5s, 10+v10+s, and even arranged large t3 brawls from groups like Rolled Out and Probe Patrol.
Personally I love groups who we run into, that we can just poke and be like, hey wanna fight? they ping their players, we ping ours, sometimes we yolo capitals into their home system, sometimes they yolo into us. its a fun time for all! Sometimes they just cant get much for numbers (or dont have them in general) and we downgrade to t1 cruisers or frigates and just have a good time.
Those are also usually the first groups we contact for doing co-op fleets or batphoning if we got a group of capitals or some kinda situation that requires backup. We've had times were we're have a good fight with another WH group, to then afterwards fleet up with them and go roam null together. It's a weird screwed up community and i love it =)
Winthorp wrote:Arranged fights are the Aids of WH space and you will never find me saying yes to an arranged fight, i would rather roll you away.
We always honor ransoms and have kicked a guy for not honoring something stupid in HS. But it doesn't mean you have to make a deal that needs to be honored, i would rather just pod them and be done. (Unless its an entertaining song ransom)
cause we havent knocked on your door or vice versa saying lets fight? thats semi-arranged |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1760
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Posted - 2014.06.07 04:40:00 -
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J3rz11 wrote:Winthorp wrote:Arranged fights are the Aids of WH space and you will never find me saying yes to an arranged fight, i would rather roll you away.
We always honor ransoms and have kicked a guy for not honoring something stupid in HS. But it doesn't mean you have to make a deal that needs to be honored, i would rather just pod them and be done. (Unless its an entertaining song ransom) cause we havent knocked on your door or vice versa saying lets fight? thats semi-arranged
Yeah there is a level of difference to "hey we rolled in are you guys up to it to the other extreme of we only have 5 can we do frigs, BC's and can we not pod" Rolling in and saying whats up can lead to some really great fights.
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
J3rz11
Hard Knocks Inc.
98
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Posted - 2014.06.07 04:53:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:J3rz11 wrote:Winthorp wrote:Arranged fights are the Aids of WH space and you will never find me saying yes to an arranged fight, i would rather roll you away.
We always honor ransoms and have kicked a guy for not honoring something stupid in HS. But it doesn't mean you have to make a deal that needs to be honored, i would rather just pod them and be done. (Unless its an entertaining song ransom) cause we havent knocked on your door or vice versa saying lets fight? thats semi-arranged Yeah there is a level of difference to "hey we rolled in are you guys up to it to the other extreme of we only have 5 can we do frigs, BC's and can we not pod" Rolling in and saying whats up can lead to some really great fights.
i do recall this occasion, when you all were in sky fighter, and didnt have the numbers for a big fight. a 5v5 frig fight happened
http://kb.hardknocksinc.net/index.php/kill_related/13336/
dont get me wrong, always would love a big brawl, but imo a 5v5 frig fight still more fun then sitting in a POS or staring at someone else sitting at a pos. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
424
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Posted - 2014.06.07 05:01:00 -
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I love how it went from, "Arranged fights is the AIDS," to, "Well, it's cool, if..."
I cannot comprehend how arranged fights are worse than no fight at all...
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Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
411
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Posted - 2014.06.07 05:10:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:I love how it went from, "Arranged fights is the AIDS," to, "Well, it's cool, if..."
I cannot comprehend how arranged fights are worse than no fight at all...
Some people don't always honour arranged fights 
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
424
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Posted - 2014.06.07 05:26:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:I love how it went from, "Arranged fights is the AIDS," to, "Well, it's cool, if..."
I cannot comprehend how arranged fights are worse than no fight at all... Some people don't always honour arranged fights
Those people will get noticed.
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Winthorp
Rolled Out
1761
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Posted - 2014.06.07 06:59:00 -
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J3rz11 wrote:Winthorp wrote:J3rz11 wrote:Winthorp wrote:Arranged fights are the Aids of WH space and you will never find me saying yes to an arranged fight, i would rather roll you away.
We always honor ransoms and have kicked a guy for not honoring something stupid in HS. But it doesn't mean you have to make a deal that needs to be honored, i would rather just pod them and be done. (Unless its an entertaining song ransom) cause we havent knocked on your door or vice versa saying lets fight? thats semi-arranged Yeah there is a level of difference to "hey we rolled in are you guys up to it to the other extreme of we only have 5 can we do frigs, BC's and can we not pod" Rolling in and saying whats up can lead to some really great fights. i do recall this occasion, when you all were in sky fighter, and didnt have the numbers for a big fight. a 5v5 frig fight happened http://kb.hardknocksinc.net/index.php/kill_related/13336/dont get me wrong, always would love a big brawl, but imo a 5v5 frig fight still more fun then sitting in a POS or staring at someone else sitting at a pos.
You won't ever see a Winthorp toon on a 5v5. I have sat around and waited for corpmates to have "arranged" fights and the last time it left a sour taste in the other peoples mouths and our comms got a "told you so" from me.
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
Winthorp
Rolled Out
1761
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:01:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:I love how it went from, "Arranged fights is the AIDS," to, "Well, it's cool, if..."
I cannot comprehend how arranged fights are worse than no fight at all...
Honestly i would rather roll and see what opportunity the next hole has then 5v5.
I also didn't say its cool if... I said its a whole level of difference from someone rolling into you and saying whats up and you pinging to get a mad fleet together.
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Rolled Out
216
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:29:00 -
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Switch off local blink, warp dictor, forget to see convos, shoot pod, collect corpse.
Any crisis of conscience instavoided.
If convo after " I was too busy trying to get all my chars on your pod to answer convos at the time" seems to work.
The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |
Foedus Latro
Rolled Out
4
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:42:00 -
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I've honored all my ransoms and even sang to get my pod out once.
As for the case of arranged fights - I have no qualm with them and tend to offer it to other parties when they know we're there and don't want to get blobbed in a fight. Eve has always been about a numbers game, but when you even out those numbers, the variability in what kind of fight you can have can change so much.
It's honestly like a mini alliance tournament round for me - I have only so many resources and little time to rally/fit/coordinate my forces all while trying to maximize my potential against an unknown opponent of similar resources. Though in the end, a fight is a fight regardless of how you see it, and that to me is enjoyable.
This is where my signature would go.
http://i.imgur.com/plB7zCR.jpg |
Duramah
Collapsed Out
Shadow Cartel
35
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Posted - 2014.06.07 09:29:00 -
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Good old arranged fights at the sun, gotta love em. Your logi pilot only has logi lvl3? Ok we will wait for you guys to get a lvl4 logi bro.. Oh but your dictor pilot has the +3 armor implant? Ok nope that's not fair guys rolling. |
RudinV
Syndicate of Death
BLOOD UNION
329
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Posted - 2014.06.07 09:47:00 -
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arranged fights are so gay |
Ridvanson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.07 09:51:00 -
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RudinV wrote:arranged fights are so gay
That means you like them, correct? |
Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
412
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:15:00 -
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If you want arranged fight play DotA or CS
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Mindful Visteen
Rolled Out
15
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:26:00 -
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So when both sides have scouts watching each others fleets those aren't in some ways arranged?
I've had some great arranged fights, especially with smaller corps in lower class wormholes. Now arranged fights in c5/c6 space is almost impossible and most corps simply cannot be trusted to keep their word, even corps you thought were friends.
Rolled Out honors ransoms and we keep or word if an arranged fight is agreed to. |
Ridvanson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:41:00 -
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Imho all this "arranged fights are for pussies" is somewhat silly, especially since most fights - even those that are not deemed so - are in fact to some degree arranged.
While you might not lay out specific rules of engagements, the arrangement takes shape in the more general spirit of wormhole space in that once somebody has rolled into your home and demands a fight, you will honor the request. Now, usually that means that both parties will wait before engaging until a rough balance of power has been achieved. Sure sounds like an (unspoken) arrangement to me ... even if one side just goes all yolo-welp to provide some content.
If you can't be a good sport and appreciate the "5 vs 5 at the sun" it's your loss, really :)
(Other than that, ganks are no fights at all an can therefore not fit the definition.)
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AssassinationsdoneWrong
Rolled Out
216
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:52:00 -
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If you had written all these big words on your main I would have read it ...............honest.
The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |
Ridvanson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:57:00 -
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AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:If you had written all these big words on your main I would have read it ...............honest.
Sorry my main was otherwise engaged |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
243
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:25:00 -
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We usually only resort to arranged fights if its getting late and most of us are certain that after this Wh were calling it quits anyways.
It isnt uncommon to just toss in a " no podding" agreement and than dive in. Its less about the isk loss, and more just the hassle of needing to replace implants and get back in. But knowing I won't have to makes me care a lot less about jumping into the fire.
The Wormhole Kid |
RudinV
Syndicate of Death
BLOOD UNION
330
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:32:00 -
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Ridvanson wrote:AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:If you had written all these big words on your main I would have read it ...............honest. Sorry my main was otherwise engaged
Still painfull? I wonder why there is no special psychological help for all this mercilessly evicted pussies, who butthurt for years after |
Ridvanson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:43:00 -
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RudinV wrote:Ridvanson wrote:AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:If you had written all these big words on your main I would have read it ...............honest. Sorry my main was otherwise engaged Still painfull? I wonder why there is no special psychological help for all this mercilessly evicted pussies, who butthurt for years after
+1 for making a lot of sense |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Rolled Out
217
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:19:00 -
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RudinV wrote:Ridvanson wrote:AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:If you had written all these big words on your main I would have read it ...............honest. Sorry my main was otherwise engaged Still painfull? I wonder why there is no special psychological help for all this mercilessly evicted pussies, who butthurt for years after
Erm what? Have never evicted me or my old corp once (Check employment history there you go been in Rolled Out how long? Whoops
Reason? Subcap WH so a risk you may take losses.
Solution? Engage brain, then type, then get your Amarr station hugging pets to war dec a WH corp. Classy move btw 
EDIT :
Just realised I got steered off the real facts.
YOU got invaded.
YOU begged NoHo not to burn your home down.
YOU got the butthurt.
Deal with it. 
The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |
RudinV
Syndicate of Death
BLOOD UNION
330
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Posted - 2014.06.07 16:57:00 -
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Wow such rage, much pain. Delicious! |
Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
414
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Posted - 2014.06.07 17:01:00 -
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let's be friendly here please, the forums are a safe posting environment ))
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Erica Dusette
Rolled Out
9715
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Posted - 2014.06.07 17:28:00 -
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Confirming this is not the community spirit CCP envisions.
Gÿá Part-time wormhole pirate | GÖí Full-time super model
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RudinV
Syndicate of Death
BLOOD UNION
330
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Posted - 2014.06.07 17:51:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:let's be friendly here please, the forums are a safe posting environment ))
Do u realize that u posting from eve account? Relog to ISD one |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.07 21:35:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2014.06.07 22:43:00 -
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Ripme
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Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
18
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Posted - 2014.06.08 08:49:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:If you want arranged fight play DotA or CS
1v1 dust2 glocks only |
Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
415
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:10:00 -
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Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:If you want arranged fight play DotA or CS 1v1 dust2 glocks only
m8 I'm a pro AWPer
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1487
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:20:00 -
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The only fight I arranged was one between two bums on the street by putting a goon bag precisely half way between them.
J's before K's.
::brofist::
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Winthorp
Rolled Out
1766
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:22:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:The only fight I arranged was one between two bums on the street by putting a goon bag precisely half way between them.
I hope you gave the defeated some metho or are you just a cruel bastard?
http://i.imgur.com/crZYiir.jpg |
Hans Bonderstadt
Codename-47
18
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:38:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Hans Bonderstadt wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:If you want arranged fight play DotA or CS 1v1 dust2 glocks only m8 I'm a pro AWPer
omg awps dont require skill get out
i hope u realize ur done
i am 1deag king |
Kirasten
Sin Factory
Infinite Anarchy
18
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Posted - 2014.06.10 01:31:00 -
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Without getting into the discussion about whether you should or should not have arranged fights, most people who live in w-space believe in their honor. If they make an agreement with you, they will stick to it. So if they agree to an arranged fight, they will honor the agreement. If they agree to a ransom, pull out your wallet or start singing. |
RudinV
Syndicate of Death
BLOOD UNION
335
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Posted - 2014.06.10 05:43:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Without getting into the discussion about whether you should or should not have arranged fights, most people who live in w-space believe in their honor. If they make an agreement with you, they will stick to it. So if they agree to an arranged fight, they will honor the agreement. If they agree to a ransom, pull out your wallet or start singing.
Thx bro I'm almost crying now |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1488
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:28:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:The only fight I arranged was one between two bums on the street by putting a goon bag precisely half way between them. I hope you gave the defeated some metho or are you just a cruel bastard?
Wotya gooba? Caarn gis a blocka red cans mate?
J's before K's.
::brofist::
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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RcTamiya Leontis
Satan's Unicorns
27
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:46:00 -
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RudinV wrote:Kirasten wrote:Without getting into the discussion about whether you should or should not have arranged fights, most people who live in w-space believe in their honor. If they make an agreement with you, they will stick to it. So if they agree to an arranged fight, they will honor the agreement. If they agree to a ransom, pull out your wallet or start singing. Thx bro I'm almost crying now
Selling towels, 1.000 isk/each :)
Personally i dislike arranged fights by the nature of no suprise though ... however all agreemens honored ! :)
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Andrew Jester
Rolled Out
419
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Posted - 2014.06.10 09:54:00 -
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Kirasten wrote:Without getting into the discussion about whether you should or should not have arranged fights, most people who live in w-space believe in their honor. If they make an agreement with you, they will stick to it. So if they agree to an arranged fight, they will honor the agreement. If they agree to a ransom, pull out your wallet or start singing.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
I have nothing else constructive to add.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
Vertical.
620
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Posted - 2014.06.10 10:01:00 -
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I once thought there was something cool about arranged fights.
Turns out they only are if you take the oppurtunity for a quick gank and some juicy podkills.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Random Interrupt
The Desolate Order
Brave Collective
11
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:29:00 -
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My corp always honors ransoms and fights. My favorite was when a guy got trapped in our hole and we let him out after he paid the ransom of writing a dirty haiku for us. Then he asked if he could "hack our sites" and we even advised him jspace data/relic sites aren't exactly okay to do in a frigate.
On arranged fights, I'd rather have a ship-down arranged fight than no fight at all. I've had mixed success. Usually if they say they'll ship down, or ask us to, both sides hold their agreement and we get a nice fight out of it. Win or lose, it's fun and we always learn from it. There's been a few times where the other side has agreed to ship down, which really just meant building a massive T3 gang on the other side of a hole to come wreck us once the fight is on. Unfortunate, but hopefully we'll repay the favor one day.
Just last night we chased a group for a bit. They formed up to fight us but realized we were way to huge and had too much Logi, so they ran and POSed up. For us it was a matter of:
A. Watch them POS up and go back home without a fight.
B. Agree to leave half our crew out of the fight.
C. Agree to leave half the squad, then bring them in anyway, ensuring that we'll never get a fun fight out of that corp ever again.
I don't know, seems like the choice is obvious to me. |
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