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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:26:00 -
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WiS is dead.
Incarna was a unmitigated disaster.
WoD has been the worst development disaster in CCP's history.
EVE is about spaceships only and will always be.
WiS apologists are mostly exctinct.
All WiS threadnaughts are gone and closed.
But nonetheless, I digged the Guardian article's links, and found an interesting article on what Ambulation was supposed to be, back in 2007, and looking forward to its release in 2008.
So I will link that article here, as a tale from a past future that was lost somewhere in corporate change of mind.
This was the game we could have been playing for the last 6 years:
http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/previews/2611-EVE-Online-War-on-the-Impossible-Part-3-Ambulation
Maybe they were biting more than they could chew, but that article shows how neither CCP nor those who took their word years ago were racing into a void. There was content for Ambulation, that was refitted for Incarna (like the original CQ) or dismissed (like the concept of station side professions). Most of the current clothing still is from Ambulation, with free plain looking stuff, and more expensive and exclusive clothing options for sale. Et cetera.
Ambulation/WiS/Incarna was not a leap into a void. (If) It could had been implemented in its 2008 version, it would had stood a chance to succeed and expand EVE into a larger niche, maybe one with more female players, and certainly one with more mainstream players, all of them segregated from the spaceships game. Two worlds living together and never interacting for their own good.
In my own biased opinion, EVE would be a much healthier game if it had Ambulation 2008, merely by having a larger niche. And provided that most of the Incarna stuff was actually developed by WoD teams since Reykjavik's art team couldn't be arsed to do avatar content, it turns that CCP managed to screw two games with one terribly misdeveloped concept that changed horses mid race.
It's a shame, frankly. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2073
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Posted - 2014.06.07 07:28:00 -
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It's the past. Let it rest already.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
@SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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Don Purple
240
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:43:00 -
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Instead we have a counter for spinning ships.
I support WiS
I am just here to snuggle. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2074
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:44:00 -
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... I just keep trying ...
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
@SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
10351
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:45:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:maybe one with more female players
I'm all for female players, as long as they play for the right reasons. WiS would not have attracted those types of players.
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2074
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:47:00 -
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... ah yes ...
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
@SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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Kurfin
Kippers and Jam Developments
63
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:50:00 -
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Shame they never finished it, it could have been really good. Though what I was really rooting for was shooting in stations. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2074
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Posted - 2014.06.07 08:52:00 -
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Shhhh......
...ooting in stations wouldn't have happened.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
@SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2438
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:maybe one with more female players I'm all for female players, as long as they play for the right reasons. WiS would not have attracted those types of players.
I have tried to work out how a female player could play Eve for the 'wrong' reasons any more than a male player can...
Below is a comprehensive list of ways in which female players could do so:
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This is not a signature. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
57
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:46:00 -
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The only hope for WiS we have left is CCP's greed and the industry's continuing drift towards microtransactions and buy-to-play.
One can't possibly be forever be dependent on a loyal, but slowly shrinking, base of middle-aged multiboxing spreadsheet neckbeards. Any manager who has bits of sanity left should seek paths to rectify this situation. Stealthily, maybe. Boiling the frog slowly to avoid enraging the "core player base". But that hope is slim.
But for now, let the undead horse rest in its misery. Those WiS threads cause phantom pains and nothing more. |
Doreen Kaundur
442
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:52:00 -
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What gets me is how WiS is supposedly dead but vanity items for your toon continues on in the Eve store.
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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
19
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Posted - 2014.06.07 10:55:00 -
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Sorry...but what are all theese abbreviations? 
Our corporation is recruiting! It is a laid back corp of Swedes...and others. We currently live in Caldari high-sec-space and mainly do mining and missions together.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
503
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:34:00 -
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I'm gutted, always wanted to transition my skill set from 160m SP pvp combat pilot to Neophyte Cobbler.
I'd have been the Jimmy Choo of Eve... Such a tragedy.. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6819
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Posted - 2014.06.07 11:38:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
It's a shame, frankly.
No, it's not.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
57
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Posted - 2014.06.07 12:12:00 -
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Actually, there is a distinct lack of Rhes in this thread... RHES! The evil furry RPing barbies are at it again! You must save EVE before it's too late! |
Chewytowel Haklar
Interstellar Angels of the Crimson Void
5
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Posted - 2014.06.07 12:28:00 -
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If walking in stations is as slow as it is now, then no thanks. If they let you jog or run around then that would be an upgrade and you guys could call it WJRiS. Perhaps they could have put in a mini game where you have to keep your plants watered or they die and cost you Isk to buy new ones, and we could have a furniture store in New Eden where we could pimp out our little pad. Hell even let us upgrade to the presidential space suite and have npc servants...but would that really be a good idea?
If anything I would love to see them implement something more along the lines of ship boarding parties and the chance to take over ships and bring them back to our corp hq, or PoS, if successful. That would bring a ground combat experience to the game adding a new dynamic with all new skills and fitting options for your character. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
6821
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Posted - 2014.06.07 12:37:00 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Case in point above, those threads are troll food and accomplish nothing.
Just like WiS itself.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1558
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Posted - 2014.06.07 12:42:00 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:If walking in stations is as slow as it is now, then no thanks. If they let you jog or run around then that would be an upgrade and you guys could call it WJRiS. Perhaps they could have put in a mini game where you have to keep your plants watered or they die and cost you Isk to buy new ones, and we could have a furniture store in New Eden where we could pimp out our little pad. Hell even let us upgrade to the presidential space suite and have npc servants...but would that really be a good idea?
If anything I would love to see them implement something more along the lines of ship boarding parties and the chance to take over ships and bring them back to our corp hq, or PoS, if successful. That would bring a ground combat experience to the game adding a new dynamic with all new skills and fitting options for your character.
only thing in WIS that made sense to me was the fact that they were also thinking on war rooms that collected real-time intel from pilots.
that and a corpse room.
Personally, I wanted to open a bar in a seedy losec station but alas, CCP ****** it all up. Concept aside, CCP was always good on the execution side of a plan...
People got, justifiably, angry because of "18 months" and "1000$ pants". For now, let it rest and maybe, maybe pick it up later.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Haniel Shimaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:35:00 -
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If WiS is truly dead than CCP should remove the captain's quarters from the game, as they are now they only serve as a monolithic sized reminder of how CCP seems inclined to introduce epic new features that could have revolutionized EVE, only to let them sit incomplete and unrealized in a "proof of concept" state.
Imagine if other big name MMO makers like Blizzard and Trion did that with their games, people wouldn't tolerate it from them and yet somehow this sort of practice is acceptable from CCP. |
Doreen Kaundur
446
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:05:00 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Sorry...but what are all theese abbreviations?
WiS - "Walk in station" The ability to leave your ship and explore the station you are docked in.
Incarna - An EVE release that failed miserably.
WoD - "World Of Darkness" another MMO the EVE people were working on.
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
Disturbed Acquaintance
8727
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:35:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:maybe one with more female players I'm all for female players, as long as they play for the right reasons. WiS would not have attracted those types of players. I have tried to work out how a female player could play Eve for the 'wrong' reasons any more than a male player can... Below is a comprehensive list of ways in which female players could do so: ... ... ... ... ...
as a female player, i support this list.
and i'm also curious what the "right" reasons are to play this game. or any game!
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
548
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Posted - 2014.06.07 15:51:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:WiS is dead.
Incarna was a unmitigated disaster.
WoD has been the worst development disaster in CCP's history.
EVE is about spaceships only and will always be.
WiS apologists are mostly exctinct.
All WiS threadnaughts are gone and closed.
And people continue to post threads demanding that CCP finish WiS, the most recent only just fell off the front page of this section of the forum. |
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2014.06.07 16:22:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:It's the past. Let it rest already.
Thinking about the past is our sole comfort once the future dies. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2083
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Posted - 2014.06.07 16:25:00 -
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Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:Solecist Project wrote:It's the past. Let it rest already. Thinking about the past is our sole comfort once the future dies.
When you're a weakling, yes.
The case of the bottomless dress.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
@SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
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darmwand
Repo.
207
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Posted - 2014.06.07 18:47:00 -
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Haniel Shimaya wrote:If WiS is truly dead than CCP should remove the captain's quarters from the game
But who would buy shoes then?
"Imagine it is war and everybody cloaks." -- Bienator II |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1790
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Posted - 2014.06.07 18:56:00 -
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darmwand wrote:Haniel Shimaya wrote:If WiS is truly dead than CCP should remove the captain's quarters from the game But who would buy shoes then?
errr
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
tiewan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2014.06.07 19:30:00 -
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I think a good compromise would be to allow us to float our pods around in stations since the whole walking thing is too difficult. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1496
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Posted - 2014.06.07 20:58:00 -
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Thread locked.
The rules:
16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
ISD Ezwal
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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