EVE Search - Null sec Data/Relic sites far less profitable in Kronos ?

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

Null sec Data/Relic sites far less profitable in Kronos ?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Dreadful Panda Dreadful Panda Corporation 0	Posted - 2014.06.07 12:38:00 - [1] - Quote After Kronos chnages to exploration sites I've noticed that prices for Relic sites loot like Capacitor Consoles did not go up for some reason and the loot amount is down by 80%. My question is what is your experience with relic sites - are the less proftable for you ? ANd the second question is why prices didnt go up after reducing amount of loot ?
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 512	Posted - 2014.06.07 12:43:00 - [2] - Quote Prices may take some time to adjust. Also, the net effect of no loot spew + less loot is hard to predict. Maybe CCP had solid stats to work on? In that case, prices could remain stable, but above-average minican grabbers will make less money than before, while crappy minican grabbers will make more.
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 1785	Posted - 2014.06.07 12:45:00 - [3] - Quote they were going to hit it even harder than they did,thankfully enough people told them it would be excessive. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." Unsuccessful At Everything
Dreadful Panda Dreadful Panda Corporation 0	Posted - 2014.06.07 12:54:00 - [4] - Quote With loot spew chating the most valuable containers was like 80% times. Also hacking Ruins wasn't that hard with propper ship + Archaelogy V. For me total income was like 150kk - 200kk for like 2h. Guess no it is no more of nice income, for flying solo in hostile environment.
Seven Koskanaiken The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 1281	Posted - 2014.06.07 13:03:00 - [5] - Quote Did a half hour of hacking the other night, got 89 million in drops. Luck is a factor, but there's still isk to be made. Personally I'm better off as before I would go straight for the T2 loot can and blow the rest up, rather than go through the torturous spew 6 times. Now I'm doing all the borderline cans to get the tripped power circuits and interfaces etc. and blowing up only 1 or 2 in each site.
Cypherous Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty 118	Posted - 2014.06.07 13:12:00 - [6] - Quote Relic site values are unlikely to change much as the salvage can still be got from salvaging ships and NPC's, the data site prices are more likely to change though eventually as supply is reduced with demand not going down
Dreadful Panda Dreadful Panda Corporation 0	Posted - 2014.06.07 13:51:00 - [7] - Quote Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Did a half hour of hacking the other night, got 89 million in drops. Luck is a factor, but there's still isk to be made. Personally I'm better off as before I would go straight for the T2 loot can and blow the rest up, rather than go through the torturous spew 6 times. Now I'm doing all the borderline cans to get the tripped power circuits and interfaces etc. and blowing up only 1 or 2 in each site. You've got the point. I was rushing relic ruins for best loot and blowing the rest. Now top tier containers are mostly empty in terms of value, now I'm also doing lesser tier containers.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 512	Posted - 2014.06.07 14:47:00 - [8] - Quote Also, people may do data/relic more often, now that the loot spew is gone. I don't have any numbers, but as an example say you have 1,000 active d/r explorers (once a day), 1,000 casual explorers (once a week) and 1,000 ex-explorers that hated the loot spew. Pre-Kronos, an average of 1,140 explorers per day. If the casuals go from once to twice a week, and the ex- become once-a week-casuals, you'd have 1,430 explorers per day. A +25% increase. These figures are totally made up, but keep in mind that data/relic exploration has a very low entry barrier (ISK and SP). It's entirely possible we'll have several more explorers running around, especially in the first few weeks of Kronos.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 1168	Posted - 2014.06.07 18:09:00 - [9] - Quote It's nothing like it used to be when rats were in the sites. Removing the rats has made it much more simple, making it so a lot more people are doing it. And removing the loot spew, even though I love it's gone, is making it easier for people to get the juicy items, which in turn floods the market, driving the prices down. Lots of times I have come across sites where people just get the good stuff from scanning the containers and left the rest. I did exploration for a couple days after Kronos, hoping it would be more profitable than it is now. Out of like 10 hours, managed like 50 million isk in goods, and that's even with 0.0 exploration thrown in. Stopped exploring again. Maybe more people will too if they find it bland, and prices will make it worthwhile to explore again.
Seven Koskanaiken The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans 1281	Posted - 2014.06.07 18:25:00 - [10] - Quote The best thing is to do exploration as a whole and supplement combat sites with hacking sites. With the mobile depot it's easy to refit analysers as and when needed.
Elmonky Titans of The Short Bus Universal Consortium 32	Posted - 2014.06.09 12:05:00 - [11] - Quote Ran a relic site in a C2 WH the other day with a couple of corpmates Relic loot = 400k Sleeper crap = less than 8 million. Ran a combat site in a C1 with the same corp mates 21 mill in Sleeper crap. Either the RNG fairy hated us, or the D/R sites are utter turd. I suppose it helped we got 5 melted nanoribbons on the Salv in the C1. Admittedly I got over a million in loot in data sites in high sec after about 25 minutes.
Malcolm Shinhwa Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 2436	Posted - 2014.06.09 15:58:00 - [12] - Quote Elmonky wrote: Ran a relic site in a C2 WH the other day with a couple of corpmates Relic loot = 400k Sleeper crap = less than 8 million. Ran a combat site in a C1 with the same corp mates 21 mill in Sleeper crap. Either the RNG fairy hated us, or the D/R sites are utter turd. I suppose it helped we got 5 melted nanoribbons on the Salv in the C1. Admittedly I got over a million in loot in data sites in high sec after about 25 minutes. I lived in a C2 for 9 months. Occasionally I would score 20mil from a Data site, but most of the time it was junk. Running the combat sites themselves in the c2 wasn't all that great either in terms of sleeper loot. We made better isk farming the C1 and we could do it in ships that were cheaper. I used to wonder why CCP allowed the risk/reward to be so out of wack. But lately I'm beginning to believe that just like the real world, there are some opportunities worth persuing and some that aren't. Experimenting and learning which is which is part of the process and fun in Eve. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
Mara Tessidar Dark Star Safari Goonswarm Federation 1114	Posted - 2014.06.09 16:19:00 - [13] - Quote My exploration drop rates have been considerably down since Kronos to the point where I've stopped bothering. It was supposed to be a 30% nerf, and it definitely went farther than that. I'm not sure even 30% was justified.
Rob Kashuken School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 41	Posted - 2014.06.09 21:56:00 - [14] - Quote I'm finding that I'm actually getting more in PI than I am exploring in null. I used to be able to regularly bring in about 40m (50m on a good night) on one of my usual circuits, I'm now averaging 6-8m It is strongly in the 'why bother' category for now.
Saraki Ishikela Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.06.10 02:19:00 - [15] - Quote I'm only averaging 3-6 million a site now in low sec. I do think the loot tables need to be looked at.
Xearal Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 916	Posted - 2014.06.10 04:38:00 - [16] - Quote A trip through null would normally give me about 50-100M on a regular trip, 30-40 on a bad trip and 100-200 on a good one. Now the amounts have gone down considerably. I guess being one of the people who know how to get each and every 'good' can isn't helping much. Though since the spew is gone, doing data sites has now somewhat become worth it again, which is good I suppose. Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 190	Posted - 2014.06.10 08:15:00 - [17] - Quote TLDR Relic sites are now even crappier than before (if that can be imagined LOL) Data Sites are now crappier than before (removal of loot spew + a metric ***-ton of "explorers" searching for Contested sites = even less to hack with even less rewards) See the universe they said, explore new frontiers they said, hack and loot they said, become an explorer they said - meanwhile anybody with a rookie ship and a scanner can do what you do (after spending a huge amount of time training all those scanning skills to V), only in 10% more time. EVE prides itself with the fact that you can specialize in anything - what CCP doesn't realizes is that is actually a bad thing... "And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit It never felt so good, I never felt so hid" - Ramona McCandless, Untitled*
Grimpak Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance. 1570	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:14:00 - [18] - Quote Nami Kumamato wrote: See the universe they said, explore new frontiers they said, hack and loot they said, become an explorer they said - meanwhile anybody with a rookie ship and a scanner can do what you do (after spending a huge amount of time training all those scanning skills to V), only in 10% more time. EVE prides itself with the fact that you can specialize in anything - what CCP doesn't realizes is that is actually a bad thing... there is a better way: let the others hack and explode them afterwards [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Gerard Naari State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:57:00 - [19] - Quote Please more tears that you cant "print" billions in a frigate anymore.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5090	Posted - 2014.06.10 13:00:00 - [20] - Quote According to the salvage pulled out of wrecks.. Im making more now out of others than before, so go figure "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 623	Posted - 2014.06.10 13:07:00 - [21] - Quote they reduced the amount of loot presumably because now there is no more loot spew. what they failed to consider is that with the spew you could actually select what cans you focused on where now you get whatever they offer. I'm sure they are still fine turninig it. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Tzar Sinak Mythic Heights 105	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:46:00 - [22] - Quote I joined EVE along time ago. I remember a corp mate inviting us to a grav site he found. I wanted to know how he found it. He called it exploration. I was hooked. I researched what it would take to be an explorer and build a skill plant to do it. It was hard and took a long time to not only train the skills to achieve success but to also learn the techniques of which probes to use and how to manipulate them to find the sites. It really was a niche profession because it was time consuming and hard. The reward? Sometimes crap (relative) and on a rare occasion something really good. Regardless you made some isk; at least from the rats you killed. I understand why that all changed with Odyssey BUT to accommodate those that choose to make exploration a profession they forgot to add something important to the lowered entry level: A class of exploration site(s) that is DIFFICULT to find and a loot table expansion to support it. I can live with sites that are so easy I now use an interceptor to explore null sec without the scanning modules and only one probe strength rig. I can live with the hacking exercise only because I thought it would be applied to other player owned structures a careful explorer can hack into and steal from. I hated the loot spew for all the usual reasons and I am glad it is gone. I can even live with the rat removal although now with the introduction of mobile depots I think rats need to be reintroduced. What I find the most disappointing about the entire exploration revamp is that it does not accommodate those of us that want good skills and want difficulty and want depth of play. Please, with the new six week expansion cycle, build on the current exploration base. Introduce rats to sites on a random basis. Expand hacking to other areas of the game: Start with offline POSes. Introduce a new class of exploration site that demands experience and high skill levels. Triple (or more) the loot tables in size and scope. Maybe these ideas will help relief some of the pressure on the markets with the current exploration model but until then I guess we will all need to continue cherry picking.
Kenneth Endashi Green Skull LLC 37	Posted - 2014.06.10 21:58:00 - [23] - Quote I was making between 200 - and 500 million ISK per run (over the course of a few days in null-sec). Now, I can't breach 100 million in the same time. Exploration really sucks, now. And unfortunately, it is all I have skills to do :(

Pages: [1] :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.