Buy a new ship and move on. You don't need any such thing as a 'permit' to mine in high-sec.

Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs?

That's not the real question. In fact, that's another stupid "why can't CCP make me invulnerable?" question. The real question is, what are you going to do about it?

Throw a forum tantrum and quit?

Okay, bye.

I can haz your....

No, wait, never mind. I'm not a miner.

the permits are just some idiots being idiots, just buy a new ship and move to a quieter system, and set new order ppl to red, problem solved

YEP.

Losing an Orca, 1 hulk, implants...that sets me back...20 hours or so? /cry

Its just not worth it.

Losing an Orca, 1 hulk, implants...that sets me back...20 hours or so? /cry

Its just not worth it.

Try ganking. It's a lot less painful on the pocketbook, AND you get to meet awesome new friends.

The fact that you were podded suggests either the Agents were seriously on the ball, or that you were afk.

Care to enlighten us?

because someone had their fun at my expense.

I was at the keyboard, I was reading an article on Korn then all of a sudden...

Fraud, extortion, and criminal racketeering go mostly unpunished in EVE as much as in real life. Survival methods include avoiding it, biting back, or joining a community vigilante group. This is not a game.

This is not a game.

lol, it is a game. Just not a fun one today.

Losing an Orca, 1 hulk, implants...that sets me back...20 hours or so? /cry

Its just not worth it.

....

Im just saying if they want to do it own up to the fact that they like ruin others peoples day. That's all.

Sell off your assets, set up a jump clone, grab a shuttle, interceptor or cov-ops ship and go out to nul. Join a corp/alliance in sov, set up shop and get back to mining. Essentially you were afk mining, so can't sympathies with you there. I'm all for popping bots and afk miners, of course imo a bit out of hand poping newbies in highsec and such. You are probably not a newbie, so you should know better than to think everywhere in highsec is safe to do anything sedimentary. But if you want to escape highsec extortionist carebears, you gotta quit being a hisec miner carebear.

oh my god 20 hours what a monumental setback

oh my god 20 hours what a monumental setback

So you can buy a billion worth of ships and implants from 20 hours of mining in high sec? (For the math challenged; 50 mil an hour)
I think your idea of how profitable grinding rocks is might be a little skewed.

Here is my /cry post. So I'm just mining away, when all of a sudden I get popped. Apparently I didn't by a permit to mine in high sec? WTH?

I like EVE, I like relaxing and mining, and buying new ships. Flying missions and occasionally watch as they get destroyed which starts the whole process all over again. But seriously this is getting silly. Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? Well I guess Ill let my eve accounts expire again, and see how it is in another 3 years. CYA in 3

CODE Violation Notice - Unauthorized Mining
From: Rabe Raptor
To: Morta Viene
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You were found to be in violation of New Order code of conduct as laid forth in the New Halaima agreement. Your infraction is stated below:

21.1.5a Unauthorized Mining (No Permit)

Per New Order protocol it was necessary to destroy the Orca as payment.

Please ensure that you do not find yourself in violation in the future. Thank you. Please see www.minerbumping.com if you have any questions about how to apply for a permit.

-New Order Knight, Rabe Raptor

Mining isn't the only thing I do. Its just what I was doing when I was popped.

Well you can do most of that stuff as a nulbear, plenty to do out there. Keep a jump clone and a fleet in high, can still do other stuff there. Logistics between nul and highsec trade hubs can be a problem, but it happens. But if you just like mining and buying ships shouldn't be any problem. You wont have the 0 tax rate, but what you put in you get out, rather than just handing it over as extortion. It's a better rout than quitting over the usual highsec drama which can really suck.

Those who don't follow the law always seem to spurn those who enforce it.

Making an unnecessary fuss about the situation will only fast track you onto our priority list. You should have bought a permit and I think you know that. I understand its difficult to admit when you were in the wrong but if you just fess up and purchase your permit and move on, I think your gaming experience will have the best chance of returning to some form of regularity.

OP, there are plenty of things you can do to be aware of your surroundings and the system you are in while you mine or do other non-combat specific things.

First of all, don't lose your cool. Frustrating things can happen in EVE. You will lose ships. It's important to learn from your losses and not be daunted by them. Your capsuleer is an immortal demigod. He comes back again and again and again.. all that's necessary is your patience.

Check out all the suggestions given to Gully Alex Foyle given in his thread about mining during wardecs. Much of the advice should apply to you:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345485

Look at Eve Uni's 'mining strategies'. There are some really helpful suggestions here:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Mining#Mining_strategies

You can email me if you have any questions. I'd be happy to answer them for you.

So you can buy a billion worth of ships and implants from 20 hours of mining in high sec? (For the math challenged; 50 mil an hour)
I think your idea of how profitable grinding rocks is might be a little skewed.

Priority List?

This sounds a lot like griefing. At the very least it's definitely harassment aimed at a specific person.

I spent 20 hours with his mom. It was A M A Z I N G.

Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? [/i]

/dry tears

Slap yourself if you have to a couple of times.

I shall now go out and gank a miner on your behalf.

You now have kill rights on one or more players, go do something about it.

Priority List?

This sounds a lot like griefing. At the very least it's definitely harassment aimed at a specific person.

That, or someone actively attempting to decry a player movement is likely to be actively attacked by that movement.

Oh, and in response to your statements, I shall now go out and gank a miner on your behalf.

but targeting and harassing specific players is griefing

It is. If it were a wardec against a corp, that's one thing, but targeting and harassing specific players is griefing and bannable in most any game. code should be investigated for this, as it falls roughly into cyberstalking. We don't need that in this game.

Moved to OOPE? The OP isn't quitting. Rather you should be addressing the above quote, taking action, passing it to your superiors.

That, or someone actively attempting to decry a player movement is likely to be actively attacked by that movement.

Oh, and in response to your statements, I shall now go out and gank a miner on your behalf.

Exactly.

In other words, harassed and griefed.

lol, if I had 1 ISK for every time you guys have said that, I'd have more ISK than the CFC.

Anyway, "gank a miner on my behalf" is just another poor excuse to grief and harass someone else. By the way, it's your name, not mine that get's listed in the victim's kill rights.


DMC

Your post can be considered harassment in itself as it makes people opening petitions on CODE. again and again.

And shooting miners isn't griefing. It's what they're for in the first place. In fact, I would be curious why you seem to view any form of PvP as griefing.

Here is my /cry post. So I'm just mining away, when all of a sudden I get popped. Apparently I didn't by a permit to mine in high sec? WTH?

I like EVE, I like relaxing and mining, and buying new ships. Flying missions and occasionally watch as they get destroyed which starts the whole process all over again. But seriously this is getting silly. Why cant something be done about these high sec shake downs? Well I guess Ill let my eve accounts expire again, and see how it is in another 3 years. CYA in 3

*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

Obviously that's not true.

I don't view WarDec's, Factional Warfare, Dueling and Bounty Hunting / Kill Rights as griefing.


DMC

No that's ridiculous. What CODE is doing, 'claiming control' over hisec systems, blowing anyone up in those for whatever reasons is in no way griefing or cyberstalking. They are not targeting any specific players, just types of players as part of their sthick. But when you start making name lists, specifically going out of the way to hunt down certain specific players and without end (he didn't specify conditions), that turns into stalking. A wardec can be indiscriminate as well, I suppose if it's even just one player in the corp, but intention is the motive here, and the intention is to grief a named player as part of a list. It can amount to something more insidious than the doublers bonus room, but over a longer duration.

@Webvan. Wardecs, while they can be indiscriminate, are much more often targeted. And in fact, CCP is perfectly fine with wardecs continuing for weeks, even months at a time. Whether it's consensual to the defender or not.

[They are not naming anyone.

What you view is really irrelevant.

CCP's stance on the matter is that suicide ganking is not griefing. Nor any of the above things, either.

Exactly.

In other words, harassed and griefed.

No, it's not. Killing one dumbass and his two dumbass alts/buddies does not equate to harassment.

I have a whole watchlist full of people that I specifically target.

Eve isn't a 100% PVP game, its a space sim.

This is how I play Eve.

1. I skill up
2. I mine to afford the crap I skilled up for
3. I buy said crap from the market
4. I run security missions with new crap and eventually lose it all because I bit off more than I can chew

Repeat cycle, That is what I drop 45 bucks a month for, and I am sure there are more players that do the same.

The problem with "We are the saviors of high sec" nonsense. Is its just a simple lie. Its a group of people taking pleasure in kicking over someone else's sand castle, and I wasn't AFK mining, I was simply mining.... Hell most of the time I invite other people that show up into the belts I mine, invite them to my fleet, and chat. I really like the EVE community for the most part. I like helping other players as much as I can.

Eve isn't a 100% PVP game, its a space sim. It allows people to play the game in a way that should be fun, and allow the most amount of flexibility for people to play the way they want to play. That's why there is 3 different levels to space. High, Low, and Null. There are places in EVE where wholesale destruction is encouraged and can be highly rewarding. One style of player should not have to suffer, for the entertainment of another type. That isn't fair.

Going into a system, and doing a shakedown, putting people on secret kill lists because they don't want to pay your ransom is griefing. Its as simple as that. It would be cool, if the players that participate in that play style would just man up and say it. Rather then hiding behind BS like "We're making Eve a better game".

Yeah but this isn't part of the wardec system, which also has fees to safeguard against stalking/harassing. My suggestion is, as I mentioned, GM's should look into code and see what the usage of this admitted target player harassment list entails.

I mean I'm sure you know CCP has shown that there are limits to what they accept as proper conduct in EVE. This has gotta be out there with other actions that they have taken against player conduct.

Now if this is all BS and just some code dude spouting off, well that's something else.

. I don't know anything about "red pen list", that's not what the code poster went into, it was a general threat of putting someone on a list for harassment purposes as far as he went into. A list would signify distribution, that's not a personal-personal grudge. Didn't say "in our area we claim and while in your mining ship" etc. Just more of a 'we are going to stalk them until they quit the game' sort of post.

Now to a vet such as you or I, we can laugh, just stupid, but if they do this to new players that don't know shat from shinola, that's a problem that should be investigated. And I've seen newbies crying about it, so... But I'm not a GM so I don't know the investigation of those cases, or even if anyone bothered. We would probably be better off if highsec were just removed quite honestly.

And no, the fees for a wardec does keep that in check. To perma-wardec a corp costs ISK, so it's not just meant to be a discriminant griefing tool. I wouldn't see anyone paying for that indefinitely over a grudge, at loss to a lot of ISK for the deal. If anyone wants to perma-wardec me, go for it, I'll just laugh my ass off while you loose money.

Going after new players unnecessarily is petionable already. But that pretty well doesn't apply to someone who is flying an Orca and multiboxing several accounts, wouldn't you agree?

I'm going to chalk this up to a difference of opinion. To me, wardecs are precisely that, a tool for me to attack any player corp I see fit, for any reason I see fit, for a fee with 24 hours notice.

tl;dr? I'm speaking of this hit list in general, part of why it would be something for a GM to investigate, as potentially something that could be used to grief newbies that don't know any better.

First I ever heard of a list, and the poster really didn't bother to put it into any real context other than they seem to use it to grief players, any players they see fit, to whatever ends, a threat. Now, I know I've seen newbies complaining about getting ganked while mining, so they could just as well be on some such list, yet know no better than to petition or afraid to. And again, there was no real definition of the list, so can mean anything, can mean the worst things you can imagine.

soooo... difference of opinion? I don't think you understand my opinion. So we have the basic same opinion differently? sure, works for me

The only places you aren't supposed to have free reign to randomly blast anyone you feel like are the starter systems, and apparently now the Bloodstained Stars arc systems to some degree.

Yes, difference of opinion. You seem to think that there is any way a wardec could be construed as griefing by the GMs. I disagree, it's a legal mechanic regardless of how, where, or why you use it, or for how long.

the SOE arc? that rule's been around a while, arnon's considered a starter system

what you're saying is correct of course

Building a list on the other hand, outside of wardecs, for distribution to other players, is different. Different matter entirely. With a player made list, it's not a system like a wardec system (which again I have no objection to the wardec).

Im just saying if they want to do it own up to the fact that they like ruin others peoples day. That's all.

The best thing about the permit tank is the educational aspects. If you're following the rules of the New Order, you'll be resisting ganks from other sources as well.