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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.10 19:22:00 -
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Ereshgikal wrote:Ereshgikal wrote:To check if the numbers on Sisi are roughly correct I took my ME 10 Coercer on Sisi and compared it with TQ numbers today. http://i.imgur.com/AQS0tXl.pngSeems like my ME 10 Coercer consumes more material than an old ME 0 that had 10% waste. :D Uhm, the BPO shows the numbers above, BUT the new UI shows the correct amount of consumed materials when taking ME into account. So maybe it is down to "show info" giving old info? :)
Correct, show infos are displaying old information. You should use the new industry UI to get the correct updated numbers for now.
We will update the Show Info on SiSi soon(ish). CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Posted - 2014.06.10 19:23:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:(Probably all) T2 Blueprints, original and copy, require the T1 item 2 times. This is about to be adjusted, right? (and may have been reported elsewhere already?)
Yeah this is a known issue, we will get it fixed shortly. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.11 09:56:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Question, when does the partly-used BPC get returned? At the commencement of the job or the conclusion? (In other words, can a single 10 run Vexor BPC be used for 10 simultaneous Ishtar invention jobs, or would they need to be end-to-end?)
When the job completes, so no you can't use the same 10 run blueprint for 10 simultaneous jobs. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.11 09:57:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Copying doesn't seem to work: Quote:Unable to install job due to the following reasons: Insufficient funds to pay job cost The job cost has changed The facility tax rates have changed
Error.ACCOUNT_FUNDS (0.0, 259) Error.MISMATCH_COST (2877, 235) Error.MISMATCH_TAX (288, 24) Skills are definitely there, funds are also there, I am in the same station as the copy slot.
Mismatch is a known issue and should be fixed with an update today. I am looking into the account funds error. Is this a corporation or personal job? If it is a corp job try changing your default wallet division? CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.12 23:24:00 -
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Kenneth Skybound wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:MailDeadDrop wrote:Does that mean that, exempting decryptor effects, it is no longer possible to get multi-run T2 BPCs from invention? Currently (Kronos) max-run T1 module BPCs yield 10-run T2 BPCs. If invention only yields 1-run T2 BPCs then there will be *many* more invention jobs in Crius. Am I misunderstanding something?
MDD All invention jobs will spit out a max-run blueprint. Sorry, should've mentioned that, lots of plates spinning today :) Do you mean this as in T2 BPO info for max runs or the current max outputs (10% of T2 BPO's). Eg, would an Anshar BPC be 10 runs?
We are still looking at this but I can confirm the output runs on invented blueprints is not correct. Will get this fixed next week. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.13 09:24:00 -
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asteroidjas wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote: We are still looking at this but I can confirm the output runs on invented blueprints is not correct. Will get this fixed next week.
Forgive the bluntness...but this (after all the previous "Yeah that is broken, we'll look into it" replies) begs the question... What of the research portion of this new mess IS correct? What is the point of putting something on the test server that hasn't even been partially tested by the teams involved. Research times are wrong, copy costs are wrong, invention stuffs are wrong..ect... I understand it is a "test server"....but is that really supposed to mean that nothing has been tested at all prior to it being thrown onto SiSi? Because when this happens...we have to wait yet another week, in the already short time left, to find the actual bugs related to this massive change. That is my point. In most workplaces these type of deployments would be worthy of disciplinary action. (maybe that is what part of the housecleaning was?) And no, Beta testing CCP's products is not related to SiSi....TQ gets more than its fair share of fail deployments that are the beta versions of the concepts CCP is trying for. (really amazed and thankful they actually thought about deploying this two weeks ago)
We actually had most of the defects already reported internally but just hadn't got around to fixing them yet. Now we could have kept it all internal for another few weeks while we fix it up, but SiSi was made available after Kronos and the build was stable enough to safely deploy so we put it up to get some early impressions.
Feedback so far has been fantastic and we are rethinking some of our original assumptions. It is simply not worth waiting longer before getting this feedback IMO.
If this still doesn't agree with you however, then we'll just see you on TQ on the 22nd July CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.13 10:26:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:I actually think it's pretty worrying that you initially planned to release this, in its grand buggyness state, with Kronos. You know, almost 2 weeks ago. I mean, if not even the values of things are correct on SiSi NOW, how did you guys ever expect to get this working properly in time for Kronos? It kinda baffles my mind, really.
We originally planned to release this with Kronos about 6 months ago. It wasn't ready so our plans changed.
The scope of this release makes it an almost impossible task to predict how long it will actually take with any accuracy, hence the recent change in release model which allows us to work on something and choose the release date when we are much closer to finishing. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:29:00 -
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Selaria Unbertable wrote:Just finished some invention jobs, and I seem to have been quite unlucky, none of them was a success. I never liked the way invention results were presented in the old system, but no feedback at all whether an invention was successful or not is just as bad. So, a way to see the result of an invention would be good, either visually on the delivery button or the job window, even if it's just a "success"/"failure".
Yes we are about to add some indication of success / fail when you click deliver and will include that in the job history too. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:25:00 -
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Kaytee Aideron wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:MailDeadDrop wrote:Does that mean that, exempting decryptor effects, it is no longer possible to get multi-run T2 BPCs from invention? Currently (Kronos) max-run T1 module BPCs yield 10-run T2 BPCs. If invention only yields 1-run T2 BPCs then there will be *many* more invention jobs in Crius. Am I misunderstanding something?
MDD All invention jobs will spit out a max-run blueprint. Sorry, should've mentioned that, lots of plates spinning today :) This is currently not the case on SiSi, have I missed where this is reported? I just finished 10 invention runs and I have 3 - 1 run T2 BPC's... Will not be a happy inventor if I only get 1 run BPC's on the output...
The blueprint you get back from invention on SiSi has the wrong numbers at the moment, however the numbers you see on the industry UI when you submit the job should be correct.
Will be fixed this week. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:01:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Thenin wrote:now with using only one run from a T1 BPC to invent a T2 BPC it should be possible to allow multi run invention jobs. Is that planned in the near future? It has been hinted at, as far as that this is kinda the first step in invention and that might be the second... ie put in a 10 run BPC and do 10 invention jobs in a row, but no one has come out and said it as far as I know I think it is more along the lines of that is what they are envisioning for this post Crius invention overhaul, but they haven't looked f it is possible or feasible yet.
Not for Crius, but possibly for the Invention release later this year. We agree it would be pretty cool. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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CCP Nullarbor
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:06:00 -
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Something to be aware of, pretty much all of the cost values on Singularity are garbage at this point because they are scaled based on activity, of which there is very little on the test server.
Our own simulations from TQ data put the estimated cost for manufacturing somewhere between 0-15% of the manufactured goods depending on where you build it. Research / Invention costs are a little trickier to calculate, but I have a developer blog coming out next week which will describe the cost formula in detail for those looking to update their spreadsheets. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Posted - 2014.07.04 18:12:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Something to be aware of, pretty much all of the cost values on Singularity are garbage at this point because they are scaled based on activity, of which there is very little on the test server.
Our own simulations from TQ data put the estimated cost for manufacturing somewhere between 0-15% of the manufactured goods depending on where you build it. Research / Invention costs are a little trickier to calculate, but I have a developer blog coming out next week which will describe the cost formula in detail for those looking to update their spreadsheets. That sounds more reasonable. I am surprised, though, that the prices are so out of line on Sisi. I was of the impression that less activity, better cost. But you made it so that: No activity in a system -> Terrible cost Some activity -> barely acceptable cost High activity -> Terrible cost ?
It is activity in system vs global activity, which means with a small number of jobs submitted you end up with very erratic cost scaling. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Posted - 2014.07.08 19:28:00 -
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Grenn Putubi wrote:Wealla Heneltry wrote:Grenn Putubi wrote:Could you share the blue post where this was answered cause I haven't seen it and I've search the forums more than a few times looking for it. Here's one that at least covers the first two points. Number 3 -- conversion after completion -- seems a sensible way of doing things, although I couldn't find a quote from a quick search. Yeah, I've seen that one but it has more to do with worries about remote installment of jobs from stations than what I was really asking about. Since that was answered already I was more worried about the specifics of how BPs will be treated if they're actually in research when the conversion happens and what will be done about jobs that are in queue to be worked on but haven't started yet. There are a lot of possibilities for how to handle these cases and I haven't seen a blue response giving a definite answer on them. With less than 2 weeks to go it's really something we deserve to know because it's going to have a huge effect on those of us rushing to get our BP collections researched before the patch.
We are in the process of writing the patch notes for Crius which will contain specifics of how the migration of running jobs occurs. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Posted - 2014.07.17 11:26:00 -
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Marc Rene wrote:Also, trying to view a BPO on the market gives an error message of "The requested blueprint cannot be found" trying to view the blueprint of an installed job gives a similar error message.
This is a silly bug in the current build on SiSi, the update today will fix it. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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