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Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.08 00:33:00 -
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I skimmed the thread and didn't see anyone mention this and I foresee it being a big deal if it's not addressed now:
On Sisi there are times research can take months at a time, not a huge deal really considering there are no lines to worry about being tied up for that long until you start thinking about trying to exploit the system.
What measures are the Devs putting in place to prevent extremely long research jobs from being performed by unsubbed characters and then being delivered by their corp without ever having to resub the account that installed the job? I foresee a wave of newb accounts in their free month training all their research skills to max, joining a corp, installing a bunch of jobs with extremely long research times and then never actually paying a subscription fee at all. They let the free month expire and the job belongs to the corp so it will just keep going till it's finished and some other character delivers it when it's done. This could be done in an NPC station so there'd be no risk of losing the job to an attack and they wouldn't have to worry about keeping a tower fueled either. It's essentially free research slots at the cost of a new account which can be purchased fairly cheaply in large amounts through the various sales CCP has throughout the year.
Another issue I started thinking about and haven't seen a definite CCP response to yet is how they're going to deal with BPOs that are installed for research when the conversion happens. Will the jobs be cancelled and the BPOs returned to where they came from or will they be allowed to complete first and then delivered to the intended destination? Will they be converted to the new system before or after the job completes? If I install a job the night before the patch to take a bpo from 0 to 10ME and the job's going to take 15 days, will the job complete in 15 days and deliver a 10ME bpo to me? What if the job is queued to start after the patch? Say I queue a job to start after that first bpo to take another bpo from 5 to 10 ME and that job's gonna take another 15 days, hogging up that research line for 30 days...will it start after the first job completes even tho there won't be a job queue system anymore? Will the queued job be cancelled and the bpo returned to me? Will it just begin immediately after the patch finishes and run concurrently with the first job so they both deliver at the same time? Will the job times be adjusted to the new system and that 15day job be converted to a 2 or 3 month job and follow the new time scale along with the new research ratings? |
Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.08 04:31:00 -
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With only 2 weeks left till the patch is scheduled to hit live they should be able to give us some specifics on these issues, if not now then very soon. |
Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.08 05:31:00 -
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Could you share the blue post where this was answered cause I haven't seen it and I've search the forums more than a few times looking for it. |
Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.08 17:21:00 -
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Wealla Heneltry wrote:Grenn Putubi wrote:Could you share the blue post where this was answered cause I haven't seen it and I've search the forums more than a few times looking for it. Here's one that at least covers the first two points. Number 3 -- conversion after completion -- seems a sensible way of doing things, although I couldn't find a quote from a quick search.
Yeah, I've seen that one but it has more to do with worries about remote installment of jobs from stations than what I was really asking about. Since that was answered already I was more worried about the specifics of how BPs will be treated if they're actually in research when the conversion happens and what will be done about jobs that are in queue to be worked on but haven't started yet.
There are a lot of possibilities for how to handle these cases and I haven't seen a blue response giving a definite answer on them. With less than 2 weeks to go it's really something we deserve to know because it's going to have a huge effect on those of us rushing to get our BP collections researched before the patch. |
Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:21:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Grenn Putubi wrote:Wealla Heneltry wrote:Grenn Putubi wrote:Could you share the blue post where this was answered cause I haven't seen it and I've search the forums more than a few times looking for it. Here's one that at least covers the first two points. Number 3 -- conversion after completion -- seems a sensible way of doing things, although I couldn't find a quote from a quick search. Yeah, I've seen that one but it has more to do with worries about remote installment of jobs from stations than what I was really asking about. Since that was answered already I was more worried about the specifics of how BPs will be treated if they're actually in research when the conversion happens and what will be done about jobs that are in queue to be worked on but haven't started yet. There are a lot of possibilities for how to handle these cases and I haven't seen a blue response giving a definite answer on them. With less than 2 weeks to go it's really something we deserve to know because it's going to have a huge effect on those of us rushing to get our BP collections researched before the patch. We are in the process of writing the patch notes for Crius which will contain specifics of how the migration of running jobs occurs.
Good to hear. I'm anxious for the specifics, as I'm sure everyone else is.
Any chance of an answer to my other query about how you're planning to handle the possible exploitation of unsubbed accounts running extremely long research jobs for a corp? |
Grenn Putubi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:54:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:We are in the process of writing the patch notes for Crius which will contain specifics of how the migration of running jobs occurs.
With only a week till patch day It'd be really nice if we could get those patch notes in the next day or two... |
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