Did I find a time machine?

Hello fellow Eve pilots, i understand most of you here are familiar with the Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?
Well my good friend who i have known for some time decided to try Eve and under my wing i took him in and let him into my corp,now i do realize that i should have made him aware of such a scam but i had no idea he would be so silly as to fall for the bonus room scam. But hey ho he did and has now lost all his isk mostly paid for with real cash and all his SP, they have even had him lower his sec status so concord will keep killing him..

Now he wants to quit the game which is understandable and i have advised him to file a ticket requesting that he get his belongings back and his SP. Now i know there has been many cases like this and players either learn from it or quit but all i want to know is why have CCP still allowed **** like this to happen to new players and not seem to be looking after our new players?

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

How did they get him to lose skill points and hack the game so Concord will kill him based on his sec status?

I'm starting to think your "friend" isn't the only idiot here.

I'm thinking our OP doesn't know what "Faction Police" are.

I reiterate my second statement.

...Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?
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And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

Idiots do not fare well. Working as intended.

Sir, this tagline should be on every piece of hardware from mice to toaster ovens.

Eve mail Ripard Teg, he'll get this matter straightened out for you.

Hello fellow Eve pilots, i understand most of you here are familiar with the Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?
Well my good friend who i have known for some time decided to try Eve and under my wing i took him in and let him into my corp,now i do realize that i should have made him aware of such a scam but i had no idea he would be so silly as to fall for the bonus room scam. But hey ho he did and has now lost all his isk mostly paid for with real cash and all his SP, they have even had him lower his sec status so concord will keep killing him..

Now he wants to quit the game which is understandable and i have advised him to file a ticket requesting that he get his belongings back and his SP. Now i know there has been many cases like this and players either learn from it or quit but all i want to know is why have CCP still allowed **** like this to happen to new players and not seem to be looking after our new players?

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

rampant stupidity

In other online games stupid people are merely annoying. In EvE they're a valuable resource.

Hello fellow Eve pilots, i understand most of you here are familiar with the Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?

Now he wants to quit the game which is understandable and i have advised him to file a ticket requesting that he get his belongings back and his SP. Now i know there has been many cases like this and players either learn from it or quit but all i want to know is why have CCP still allowed **** like this to happen to new players and not seem to be looking after our new players?

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

Now he wants to quit the game which is understandable and i have advised him to file a ticket requesting that he get his belongings back and his SP.

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

now lost all his isk mostly paid for with real cash?

How can you buy plex with real money to pay for a (virtual/gameplay) scam in a video game.

It's not much different than the one who really paid about $4000 for plexing a virtual spacecraft, ganked afterward in no time...

"I wonder if I asked people to get repeatedly podded in an alpha clone until they've no SP left, just to prove their loyalty in my scam room... nah that would never work."

It's such a crazy notion that it makes me wonder if anyone even thought of it and didn't do it before someone thought of it and did. Genius and madness coming together.

Eve "No Limits" Online.

Admits friend is an idiot. Calls it cyberbullying anyway. Eve = Competitive environment. Idiots do not fare well. Working as intended.

EvE is like PvP+

Even your own corp-mates (to an extent) are playing against you.

Trust is a seriously rare commodity.

If you don't know the address/phone number of someone you play with then you better use caution when interacting with them.

God won't help you his KB is terrible.

My general rule of thumb has always been that I will only trust you if I can physically kick you in the balls.

My general rule of thumb has always been that I will only trust you if I can physically kick you in the balls.

Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them IRL.

Even then ask - are they only screwing you to screw you?

It would be epic if someone started a rl relationship just to get in position to scam a corp or w/e. Probably against the EULA too.

Never trust anyone in-game unless you are sleeping with them IRL.

Even then ask - are they only screwing you to screw you?

epic tale of treachery and sibling rivalry

OP you failed your friend by neglecting in your responsibilities as CEO to educate a new player you had taken under your wing.

You could have prevented this.

If anything you should be maing a public apology to your friend.

Hello fellow Eve pilots, i understand most of you here are familiar with the Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1?
Well my good friend who i have known for some time decided to try Eve and under my wing i took him in and let him into my corp,now i do realize that i should have made him aware of such a scam but i had no idea he would be so silly as to fall for the bonus room scam. But hey ho he did and has now lost all his isk mostly paid for with real cash and all his SP, they have even had him lower his sec status so concord will keep killing him..

Now he wants to quit the game which is understandable and i have advised him to file a ticket requesting that he get his belongings back and his SP. Now i know there has been many cases like this and players either learn from it or quit but all i want to know is why have CCP still allowed **** like this to happen to new players and not seem to be looking after our new players?

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

I was betrayed.

I invited several of my family over and I made dinner.

I was naive to leave boom boom online while i went afk given my sister plays eve also.

While i was sitting on the toilet squeezing out a rather large and painful deposit, my sister was also ensuring another large deposit was transpiring also.

This has caused severe divisions within the family.

Not the sort of drama you can simply flush away.

I like the cut of your sisters jib, is she single?

OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own

Yup. Just what I said a few pages back.

OP wants the best of both worlds - he wants to wear the CEO hat and get others to follow him, but does not want to invest any time or energy into making sure his members are protected and educated.

On a side note - this is one of my favorite parts about EVE online. The bar to start your own corp is so low that it allows players with no real idea what they are doing at all to totally fail in a very amusing and public way :-)

OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?

Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?

Or is it more complicated?

It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5. So if you fail or drop out early you literally lose everything. There was a scandal recently where Erotica1, the guy who started the bonus room, was permanently banned without warning or reason after Ripard Teg complained to CCP about the bonus room calling it torture. Google Sohkar bonus room if you'd like to know more.

OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own

Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.

It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5.

Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.

The recording of the masterful experiment in social interaction run by Ero 1 can be found here.

However, for your scurrilous use of the term 'cyber bully' applied to people simply metagaming within the framework of 'HTFU', 'Be The Villain' and 'Everything Is Fair Game' as marketed by CCP to this day, we must add a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, while we await CCP's clarification of the 'HTFU' trademark, to perhaps 'HTFU..unless someones feelings get hurt' alternate version...

However, if you renounce your use of the term 'cyber bully' in the next 2 hours, the Kill-It-Forward warrant will be rescinded.

Otherwise, an innocent carebears blood will be harvested in your name, to fuel my Ashimmu....

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I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.

With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.

Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago.

And this thread is SO three months ago.

And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?

I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.

I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.

HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.

Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.

In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam.

I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game?

That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly.

Beautiful. ::sniff::

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No we must baby people through life because everything else can cause psychological stress.

I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game?

That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly.

Beautiful. ::sniff::

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If you're a pirate who demands singing ransoms, that usually lasts about 2 minutes, and if you're a decent pirate you then let your victim go. Even if you blow them up they lose ISK and that's it. It's, at worst, light-hearted short-lived mockery of your victim. That's fine.

If you're a standard scammer, you steal a large amount of ISK and perhaps even mock your victim in-game briefly, but that's it. That's fine.

If you're Erotica 1 you take everything your victim owns (including their character) and make all your profit...

...then you spend 2 solid, excruciating hours making fun of their real life speech impediment, making fun of their wife with your buddies, openly mocking them when they get upset and then threatening them with action from the developers when they start understandably insulting you for all the stuff you've subjected them to. Then you post it online to mock your mark even further.

If the victim has already surrendered his assets, what's the ransom? Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?

Why do you think someone can forcefully take your adult friend's dignity over teamspeak which he voluntarily joined and can voluntarily quit at any time? How much stuff was it?

Should your friend be treated as a minor and thus receive all the consideration and benefits of one?

Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?

The guy wasn't my friend and I'm not the OP ;)

Yes, the victim enters the scam of their own free will, due to foolishness and greed (as with all scams). However, there's a clear moral difference between spending 2 hours recording yourself and your buddies mentally dissecting someone's real life persona with the fake promise of giving them their stuff back and a quick, private "lol, you got scammed sucka" evemail message or something.

If someone were to scam me for my ISK and say: "Arkus Kane is a gullible buffoon", that's fair game.

If someone were to scam me for years of in-game effort and then delight in telling the whole world that and then start laughing at my RL income, looks, choice of romantic partner, intelligence of my kids or whatever...that's different

He [...] says that he should technically be banned for the things he said himself while raging [...] if the recording is considered legit evidence for TOS violations.

Sohkar rejects the claims that he was tortured. He got angry. He points out that after Ripard's blog post, he tried to reach out and talk to Ripard and sent him an eve-mail. Ripard has still not responded to him after several days.

If you listen to the old "bonus room" recordings, you can tell that the scammers don't really care about the ISK they're making. Their purpose is to methodically make their victim feel as upset and vulnerable as possible in real life using a combo of bully and classical "interrogation" techniques for a prolonged period, which I think is highly unpleasant.

But you just took everything from someone

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If intelligence agencies use very similar strategies to break people mentally IRL (humiliation, shaming, further coercion through greed etc., false promises, very long dialogues with multiple anonymous "interrogators")

It is very easy to say, that sokhar could have left anytime, BUT:
The whole thing was a group effort and every time the victim starts to retreat, he will be baitet again with the promise, that he can still win. This promise is not solely uphold by the main-scammer, but by his buddies to.
The whole thing is deliberatly humiliating.
Any Singransom has better chances to get the ransom back. The e1 bonusroom was never about ransom. Only humiliation.
Therefor: ban-hammer

Another of those lies of the humiliators.
EvE is not like any other MMO. Pixel Stuffs has values which is for eg calculated when Titans get clashed. But when it is convenient, to cover humiliation, it suddenly gets to "but it is only pixels".
Well Suiccied Ganker will never get attached to their cheap catalysts, but others put a lot of "virtu"-sweat into gaining "shiny ships" and stuff.

Even in WoW stuff has more virtual value to the player, but no Player in WoW can get really bankrupt.
In EvE you can get bankrupt. This fact makes you more aware to losses.

AND:
again, this is a planned game of humiliation, where hopes of the victims will be pushed up and crushed again and again.

Read the article I've linked that includes Sohkar's opinion on the matter. He disagrees with you.
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Sohkar rejects the claims that he was tortured.

He got angry.

The so-called victim's abhorrent racist behavior is something you seem to conveniently excuse. Maybe you're ok with slurs or have a bias yourself?

The reasons you state for the official action are incorrect. It tells me your limited understanding of the matter.

The fact that the person losing a game is also losing their emotional composure does not change the fact that "only pixels" are lost.

La Rynx, you think "harvesting human emotions" is some sort of abject or detestable behavior. I don't.


You think that sometimes there is a legitimate excuse for being incredibly and vocally racist. I don't.


We're just going to have to agree to disagree since likely we are at an impasse.

La Rynx, you think "harvesting human emotions" is some sort of abject or detestable behavior. I don't.

You think that sometimes there is a legitimate excuse for being incredibly and vocally racist. I don't.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree since likely we are at an impasse.

Shut it, harvesting humans is fun in any game, from Bf4 to eve if you kill them what do you honestly think they are doing on the other side of that screen... Need a hint?

That is, why people like you are called sociopaths.

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Because i bet you want yours respected to.

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Yes you provoke emotions and wanna accuse your victims of beeing rude.

That is, why people like you are called sociopaths.

Notice how they insinuate 'real life harassment' with timely genericized forums posts, yet don't sack up and directly accuse the people being banned? Is this for fear of losing a slander/libel suit perhaps?

Now, if you are going to ban someone for 'real life harassment', then shouldn't you be making that clearly the case, informing the person and community of that, and let the chips fall where they may in any real life slander/libel counter-suits, confident you can defend your claims of 'real life harassment'?

No?

Well...then how about stopping this insinuating of real-world harassment that you can't (or won't) defend in RL!

To me, it looks like CCP is legally protecting itself without being as transparent as you would like to minimize further ramifications.

Some things just aren't worth the potential legal hastle to appease such an extreme minority of the playerbase.

I'm not sure how it is you became an expert on who I am. I don't think I brought you personally into the conversation, and maybe you should practice what you preach and not start assigning me labels like 'sociopath'.

I've been courteous to you, and I'll always be happy to have a discussion but there is no need to assume I've done something when I haven't.


And regarding my dignity, the first person responsible for that dignity is me. I don't walk around with some assumption that if I start degrading myself in front of others voluntarily that they "owe" me a modicum of respect. These bonus room "victims" are debasing themselves, out of their own choice, in front of other human beings. Expect these human brings to feel sorry for them and laugh at them.

Oh dear.. do forgive me. I totally mistook you for OP.. the metal plate in the head, staunch expression. I do apologize.

But I did note that you said that the Erotica 1 scammer and his buds didn't try to drag RL into things...this isn't true. The first thing they do on the recording, before the guy even says anything much at all, is get him to read huge lumps of mindless text out.

They then pick out all the words he struggles to pronounce due to a speech impediment and tell him to make a list at the end and repeat them all over and over again. That doesn't happen because he gets upset before then - but still, it was entirely their intention to make fun of his personal attributes outside of the game.

Admits friend is an idiot. Calls it cyberbullying anyway. Eve = Competitive environment. Idiots do not fare well. Working as intended.

If the victim has already surrendered his assets, what's the ransom? Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?

Why do you think someone can forcefully take your adult friend's dignity over teamspeak which he voluntarily joined and can voluntarily quit at any time? How much stuff was it?

Should your friend be treated as a minor and thus receive all the consideration and benefits of one?

lost all his isk mostly paid for with real cash

But I did note that you said that the Erotica 1 scammer and his buds didn't try to drag RL into things...this isn't true. The first thing they do on the recording, before the guy even says anything much at all, is get him to read huge lumps of mindless text out.

They then pick out all the words he struggles to pronounce due to a speech impediment and tell him to make a list at the end and repeat them all over and over again. That doesn't happen because he gets upset before then - but still, it was entirely their intention to make fun of his personal attributes outside of the game.

the catch part is EXPOSING that later in the internet. That is even ilegal in several countries without that person consent.

*Spits SimTobacco into bin* Lady, I got this here head plate in a bar fight on Inaro II with a Minmatar scumbag whose carefree neo-libertarian dreadlocks inflamed my suspicions that he was an escaped slave. I was correct. When you've had a rich, golden bottle of Amarrian ale smashed into the back of your noggin the staunch expression comes naturally.

And in any case, I think the pose showing off my classical Amarrian combination of good looks and rabid religious fanaticism is far more alluring than that of the OP, who frankly looks like he's had far too much Mindflood and not read the Pax Amarria for a few years.

But I did note that you said that the Erotica 1 scammer and his buds didn't try to drag RL into things...this isn't true. The first thing they do on the recording, before the guy even says anything much at all, is get him to read huge lumps of mindless text out.

They then pick out all the words he struggles to pronounce due to a speech impediment and tell him to make a list at the end and repeat them all over and over again. That doesn't happen because he gets upset before then - but still, it was entirely their intention to make fun of his personal attributes outside of the game.

making fun of their wife with your buddies, openly mocking them when they get upset and then threatening them with action from the developers

the catch part is EXPOSING that later in the internet. That is even ilegal in several countries without that person consent.

This is how i feel as well. One of the things i like about EVE online is that it punishes the stupid and guillable. Retards should go play retards games.

I think a lot of people didn't actually listen to the whole recording and instead went with Ripard's abbreviated take on the matter.


I'm not sure what the legal implications are, tbh.

I think the primary objection in this case was that recordings of the same kind were released publicly over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Please don't tell me that the public outcry over the 200th release excuses their apathy for the 199 previous.

If someone violates your civil rights and you do not prosecute them legally , that does nto exclude my rights to prosecute that person legally when later he/she violate my own rights.

When you are doing something wrong, the fact taht other people in past did not care is not a license that makes it suddenly less wrong on future instances.

Read this again.


There is a difference between being wronged and being offended for somebody else who doesn't want you white knighting them.

Your statement doesn't reflect anything that actually happened.

stupid garbage

The definition of civil rights change from culture to culture. Where I live, the recordings of that event, and Yes I heard a good bit of it, not all but enough, would be enough for you to get legal prosecution if the other part was living in the same country. Blackmailing someone into an humiliation is specifically stated as violation of civil rights were I live. So some people WILL get offended and will demand what they see as justice. The world is not a tiny sphere where everybody think the same.

If you are wise you shall be extra careful when dealing with people from other cultures because their definition of OK might not be the same as yours.

The definition of civil rights change from culture to culture. Where I live, the recordings of that event, and Yes I heard a good bit of it, not all but enough, would be enough for you to get legal prosecution if the other part was living in the same country. Blackmailing someone into an humiliation is specifically stated as violation of civil rights were I live. So some people WILL get offended and will demand what they see as justice. The world is not a tiny sphere where everybody think the same.

If you are wise you shall be extra careful when dealing with people from other cultures because their definition of OK might not be the same as yours.

I have no idea where you live, but I can comfortably say that asking a person to sing songs and read from Wikipedia or the minerbumping web site is not going to result in "legal prosecution" anywhere in the free world, especially when the "victim" is on record as saying he did not feel harassed or tortured.

Further, if such a place exists, there is no onus on me to be "extra careful" because some tiny jurisdiction I have never heard of or visited decides something is a crime - I only should be reasonably required to understand the laws of where I live, and perhaps Iceland in this case. It would be crazy to expect me to know all the laws of every place on the planet, much like it is crazy for CCP to expect everyone to magically know what their definition of "real-life harassment" is without telling us.

you are VERY mistaken. There is similar cases (not on games, but on social networks) that were went to court here and the offending part was forced to pay restitution. In some countries humiliation is considered as damaging as physical damage.

I think a lot of people didn't actually listen to the whole recording and instead went with Ripard's abbreviated take on the matter.

I am pretty sure I am not. I never said that there weren't harassment laws on the books of many countries. What I am saying is that there is no country

Die W++rde des Menschen ist unantastbar. Sie zu achten und zu sch++tzen ist Verpflichtung aller staatlichen Gewalt.

The dignity of man is inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all public authority.

I don't think that anything that happened in the bonus room would qualify as blackmail in any court of law in any country
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The point being - whatever you may think of the practice of bonusrooming, or of any bonus room in particular, the argument that it is illegal is a huge stretch from reality. You may not like it, CCP obviously doesn't like it, but that doesn't make it a literal crime.

The point is, that you are wrong.

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.
For that you can get sued.
It has not happend YET, but that can change faster then you think.

The "bonus room" was not the problem, it was the continuing humiliation in public.

For that you can get sued.

I am confused, what is "the continuing humiliation in public" you are referring to? There is a single bonus room recording with Sokhar that was released after the event and as far as I am aware, Sokhar and the Bonus Room participants never interacted directly again.

It was not by any stretch of the imagination public until Riptard tried to exploit it to further his carebear agenda.

If you think I'm wrong, try it. Go find a law firm and tell them you want to sue a business in a different country because someone stole your video game money, tricked you into singing a Disney song, and laughed at you while you raged out and spewed hateful offensive language.

You won't have to tell me that you tried, by the way, I'll be able to hear the laughter from here.

Now it can not be sued, because its in a different country. This is not the same, as "it can not be sued".

But everything that guys like you have in common is, that you want to scale down the case into "it was not so bad", "others did worse" , "the so called victim was racist", "it was not a problem until Ripard Tek made it one..." and more.

And that's not what I said. You have a big problem with making things up.

The entire premise is laughable, by pretty much any measure. Attempting to do so internationally is an equal part of that.



Oh, so racist epithets and real life threats are ok with you, then? Or is only if the person is mad about losing their pixels first?

I'm thinking our OP doesn't know what "Faction Police" are.

Just remember:
Case closed
erotica1 ban-hammered!
End of Story.

"racist epithets" are not OK, but still this guy was *heavily* provoked and with that has one valid explanation.

This "international" stuff works in favor for e1 and his roomies, since it is hard to sue people over country borders. There are countries where you can have law suits AND there already have been suits over virtual worlds.
This are not video game pixels, this are MMO pixels , a whole different level.
Oh and drop this "pixel" nonsense, its all DATABASE stuff.

Why did this guy make "racist epithets"?
For what reasons where they made?
Answer: they where meant to hurt!
So: This guy was emotinaly so hurt, that he tried to hurt back.

I can't be the only one who hasn't a clue what the "bonus room" scam is. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Note to self: minorities should be more understanding if I call them racial slurs when they provoke me heavily...like cutting me off in traffic and then giving me the finger.

Its where you get the mark (aka, victim aka 'contestant'...) to give away all his stuff because he thinks he's playing a 'game show' style game on Teamspeak/Mumble/etc in the hopes that he will win A Grand Prize (some ungodly amount of ISK).

At some point the 'contestant' either breaks a 'rule' or realizes that it is, indeed, a scam, and he has lost most if not all his stuffs.

Some actually lost Skill Points by getting podded in Alpha clones voluntarily.

Anyway, net result is usually tears, rage, and various racial slurs, plus IRL death threats.

You are welcome.

Sounds like something I'd never be so stupid as to fall for.

EvE is like PvP+

Even your own corp-mates (to an extent) are playing against you.

Trust is a seriously rare commodity.

If you don't know the address/phone number of someone you play with then you better use caution when interacting with them.

God won't help you his KB is terrible.

Oh man. I just listened to the last part of that bonus room soundboard. XD

I am not surprised that some of them were Canadian. All this "please" and " thank you" stuff we do everyday IRL takes its toll and we tend to let off our steam on the internet. See a nasty/evil troll? Good chance he's Canadian!

It's like that episode on the Simpsons where Ned Flanders finally loses his cool after his politeness was taken advantage.

Summary: excessive "please" and "thank yous" comes with a grave, subsequent cost.

So: This guy was emotinaly so hurt, that he tried to hurt back.

I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.

Uh huh - way to completely miss the point. This was about a lot more than "words."

I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.

I can confirm my friend has had all his SP replaced and his sec status fixed, also has been giving a full 6 months free game time by CCP.

prove it

Not my place to go this far, he will need to do that himself. Besides it's against forum rules to discuss ongoing or finished support tickets.

Well, good Sir 14330909, I am going to sue YOU because that post OFFENDED me! Im not quite sure how, but it rubbed me just a tad the wrong way. Therefore, bans inc.

I wonder if this works with tax collectors....

i had no idea he would be so silly as to fall for the bonus room scam.

How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.

Scamming is something that happens in-game. BRs in voice comms brings the person into the mix, not their character.

Scamming a character = OK
Scamming a person = not OK

Contracting all your assets to an ISK doubler for a chance at billions of ISK isn't a scam in-game?

The time-honoured singing ransom for your tackled ship on voice comms doesn't "bring the person into the mix"?

I think you should read the article I linked and reevaluate your ideas on what is "in-game" and what isn't. It certainly isn't as black-and-white and you seem to think.

Transferring all of your assets to an ISK doubler is absolutely an in-game scam. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Asking someone to sing on voice comms is bringing the player into it, not just the character. That crosses a line.

I read the article, and as usual James315 is full of himself.

Well then perhaps you should let CCP know that singing on voice comms crosses a line - they have condoned, even participated in singing ransoms for years until recently deciding to start banning people for something similar without warning or even explicitly telling them why.

Well then perhaps you should let CCP know that singing on voice comms crosses a line - they have condoned, even participated in singing ransoms for years until recently deciding to start banning people for something similar without warning or even explicitly telling them why.