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Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5129	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:41:00 - [31] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: muffled sounds and struggling noises silence Back What ... ... the HELL ... ... did you just do? Whatever it was, chances are it was hot. So you were involved too? ;) Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. I certainly cannot swear that it hasn't "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 3567	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:42:00 - [32] - Quote +1 for that last point alone :P The Drake is a Lie
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1555	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:45:00 - [33] - Quote Nice bald head, OP. Please make yourself useful. .. when everything else is gone ..
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 283	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:46:00 - [34] - Quote In-Game Tools Please wrote: I am sick of using DOTLAN I am sick of using EVEMon I am sick of using EFT I am sick of using EVE-Central I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed. I almost agree on some level... but not the whole thing. I would suggest that there should be nothing a 3rd party tool has access to which isn't available directly in-game (a jump sphere or a measure tool in the map is needed). A 3rd Party program may be able to do many things at once (you can calculate how long it will take you to train a skill, you can read it off the character sheet - but EVEMon can tell you how long a 100 skill queue will take) or combine several things together simultaneously (Is my Logi cap stable?) but I don't think there should ever be a need to use a 3rd Party tool, nothing which you can only determine through them. 3rd Party tools should (IMHO) be a convenience rather than a crutch. If I want to know whether I can jump a carrier from system 'A' to system 'B' then I should be able to determine that in-game... but DOTLAN can tell me if I need to stop off at 'C', 'D' and 'F' on the way, how many 'topes it will take and whether there are stations in those systems in one neat and easy package.
In-Game Tools Please Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:48:00 - [35] - Quote A more serious topic at hand: How is Ramona McCandles in the first 1-5 replies of every single thread I make no matter which alt I use? The only logical conclusion is that Ramona McCandles is my alt too and I just don't know it.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5130	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:50:00 - [36] - Quote In-Game Tools Please wrote: A more serious topic at hand: How is Ramona McCandles in the first 1-5 replies of every single thread I make no matter which alt I use? The only logical conclusion is that Ramona McCandles is my alt too and I just don't know it. Why is the second "s" in my surname hard for some people to type? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Marsha Mallow 1007	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:50:00 - [37] - Quote In-Game Tools Please wrote: I am sick of using DOTLAN I am sick of using EVEMon I am sick of using EFT I am sick of using EVE-Central I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed. I bet CCP are sick of comments like this. Actually, I agree in principle that these should be integrated with the game long term (even if it means buying the code from 3rd party developers). But, just to be awkward because you're hiding behind a silly named alt and being a bit childish about it, I'm going to pretend not to. If you could go torture the RPers on their forum with that name, I might change my mind. Go on, redeem yourself TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1521	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:52:00 - [38] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Im sick 100% agree The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 251	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:53:00 - [39] - Quote In-Game Tools Please wrote: I am sick of using DOTLAN I am sick of using EVEMon I am sick of using EFT I am sick of using EVE-Central I am sick of not having a map with any functionality whatsoever I am sick of having no planner for skills besides the terrible awful ISIS I am sick of the fitting tool not showing vital information I am sick of the inability to view any market data whatsoever outside of my region I am sick of 3rd party developers being used as an excuse to not fix these basic features I am sick of players having to take on the responsiblility of fixing these glaring holes I am sick of the notion of playing this game another 5 years with an army of 3rd party programs needed to keep sane I am sick of typing things in fours and have absolutely nothing to add for the last point here I am sick of it CCP, and I want it changed. I always thought it kinda cool that eve breed the sort of player commitment and ingenuity that folk would go out and create useful items for use in game. As for specific points raised above, (1) the in-game map has a lot of functionality - you are obviously not using it right; and (2) you do not want a universe where everyone had perfect knowledge of markets conditions everywhere at all times as it would eliminate/limit the possibility of obtaining profits by moving goods from region to region. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5133	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:55:00 - [40] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: If you could go torture the RPers Strangely enough, not many of them are into that "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5133	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:56:00 - [41] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Im sick 100% agree Thank you! I knew we would get on well eventually. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Amenity Project Hedion University Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:56:00 - [42] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: In-Game Tools Please wrote: A more serious topic at hand: How is Ramona McCandles in the first 1-5 replies of every single thread I make no matter which alt I use? The only logical conclusion is that Ramona McCandles is my alt too and I just don't know it. Why is the second "s" in my surname hard for some people to type? Because of candles, obviously.
Marsha Mallow 1008	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:57:00 - [43] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Nice bald head, OP. Please make yourself useful. That's an interesting solution to the hair problem Sibyyl, looks quite fetching. I really dislike Marsha's hair, but I'm not getting anywhere with my hat/paper bag campaign. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE!
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1556	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:03:00 - [44] - Quote OP, here's some food for thought. You've obviously not though this through. Lets look at the third party tools you are criticizing. DOTLAN: Absolutely more useful than the in-game map. I really hate how the in-game map takes over the screen. DOTLAN is there with a simple alt+tab or in the in-game browser. The in-game map is useful for tons of other things (like explo), but I really don't need DOTLAN embedded in it (which would cause all that DOTLAN information available with an alt+tab to disappear). EVEMon: I can browse skill queues for MULTIPLE CHARACTERS at once. I can click and drag and copy and exchange and do all kinds of sharing things I couldn't do if the tool were inside the game. Logout. Login. Change something. Logout. Login. No thanks. EFT: Same as above. Lets me consolidate and share fits between alts. Does this mean the in-game fitting tool shouldn't change? No, but EFT lets me emulate a character with all V skills, or look at other alts while I'm playing with one character. ISIS is awesome. Also, have you never looked at ship mastery plans? I will agree with you only to this point: The map is terribly implemented. I don't like that it takes over the entire screen, and there are too many clicks involved to change views. But do we really need SOV data on it? I don't think so. And using a throwaway alt.. really? Really shows your commitment to this idea. .. when everything else is gone ..
Radelix Cisko The Price Of Freedom Wreckless. 186	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:05:00 - [45] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Solecist Project wrote: What ... ... the HELL ... ... did you just do? An alarm was about to go off So I "preempted" it Remember this kids. Always be pleasant to the staff, otherwise things may be "missed". Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1557	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:08:00 - [46] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Nice bald head, OP. Please make yourself useful. That's an interesting solution to the hair problem Sibyyl, looks quite fetching. I really dislike Marsha's hair, but I'm not getting anywhere with my hat/paper bag campaign. Actually I very much like Sib's hair. But there is a lack of hairstyles in EVE (Sol is not crazy for thinking this). I just chopped it off for Mr. Pix! .. when everything else is gone ..
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2135	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:14:00 - [47] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Marsha Mallow wrote: Sibyyl wrote: Nice bald head, OP. Please make yourself useful. That's an interesting solution to the hair problem Sibyyl, looks quite fetching. I really dislike Marsha's hair, but I'm not getting anywhere with my hat/paper bag campaign. Actually I very much like Sib's hair. But there is a lack of hairstyles in EVE (Sol is not crazy for thinking this). I just chopped it off for Mr. Pix! The little girl in me hates you for always looking good. Always. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyssssssssss. I need a resculpt. :( I sell myself to anybody who pays me a resculpt, for 30 days! Whaddayathink everybody? :/ Alternatively, you can pay me a resculpt for not having me on your ass for 30 days. That'd work too. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2902	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:25:00 - [48] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Interesting. Would you care to expand on this? ;) Well, there was this time that Romona and I decided to liquidate (liquefy) most of the residents of lowsec (literally, using acid) and store them in steel drums... "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Doreen Kaundur 483	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:26:00 - [49] - Quote did someone say "waste of dev time?" 1. Minor navigation color change. 2. Show bookmarks in the overview.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2139	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:27:00 - [50] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Interesting. Would you care to expand on this? ;) Well, there was this time that Romona and I decided to liquidate (liquefy) most of the residents of lowsec (literally, using acid) and store them in steel drums... That doesn't actually sound hot at all. :/ The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499 @SolsUnknownAlt on twitter. I hate it.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5143	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:28:00 - [51] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Not this time sadly, but it's been known to happen. Interesting. Would you care to expand on this? ;) Well, there was this time that Romona and I decided to liquidate (liquefy) most of the residents of lowsec (literally, using acid) and store them in steel drums... I did the hammerwork, I do enjoy that I think we got through a few orbital colonies and a nursery before the local militia finally decided to move us along "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5143	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:30:00 - [52] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: That doesn't actually sound hot at all. :/ You should have seen what we were wearing "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 1557	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:33:00 - [53] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Domanique Altares wrote: Well, there was this time that Romona and I decided to liquidate (liquefy) most of the residents of lowsec (literally, using acid) and store them in steel drums... I did the hammerwork, I do enjoy that I think we got through a few orbital colonies and a nursery before the local militia finally decided to move us along O_O .. when everything else is gone ..
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2905	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:41:00 - [54] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Solecist Project wrote: That doesn't actually sound hot at all. :/ You should have seen what we were wearing ...and what we weren't. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5147	Posted - 2014.06.10 18:43:00 - [55] - Quote Domanique Altares wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Solecist Project wrote: That doesn't actually sound hot at all. :/ You should have seen what we were wearing ...and what we weren't. Of course, we went under the assumed names of Yuri and Kei at the time "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Unleashed Pestilence 663	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:00:00 - [56] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Its was a fantastic move by CCP in regards to releasing the API, one which I am surprised no other developers have done. What bizarre planet are you on? Domanique Altares wrote: Well, there was this time that Romona and I decided to liquidate (liquefy) most of the residents of lowsec (literally, using acid) and store them in steel drums... That's it, I'm moving out of low sec. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Prince Kobol 1935	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:11:00 - [57] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Its was a fantastic move by CCP in regards to releasing the API, one which I am surprised no other developers have done. What? Another poster with reading issues.. I will try and make this as simple as I can. CCP, by releasing the API code to such an extent as they have and by continuing to modify / add to it, they have allowed their paying customers to develop tools which most people would of already expected to be in the game. So to recap.. CCP release / maintain / add / modify API code which allows us, the paying customer to develop tools which means they do not have to spend time + money to do themselves. Let me put it another way, things such as a fitting tool like EFT, a skill management system such as EveMon, a map with the ability to plot a route such as dotlan are things you would expect a 11 year game like Eve to have. We are not talking about some monumental technical challenging additions here, however there is zero motivation for CCP to bother with any of these things as they already exist and do the job fine. My surprise is that other developers for other game haven't done similar things. Why spend time and money creating certain aspects of your game, things which most people would expect to see if your paying customer can do it for you? Then again maybe it is only in Eve where the players (did I mention we were paying customers?) have no issue developing tools which really should already be in the game. Either way since CCP have been letting go of so many talented developers and many other have left of their own accord over the last 12 months, something tell me it will not change any time soon.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 5151	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:13:00 - [58] - Quote I think his point was that some have "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal
Prince Kobol 1935	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:17:00 - [59] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: I think his point was that some have Yes but in a very limited way. I am not aware of any other game that has the scope for players to create tools such as we have in Eve. Arhg.. FRACKING FORUMS !!!!!!!!!
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10420	Posted - 2014.06.10 19:40:00 - [60] - Quote You want in-game tools for EVEMon? Something which is inherently better at what it does because it's out of game? Yeah, okay. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.

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