Originally by: Tenpenny Six

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Fit projectiles on your Punisher. You won't regret it.

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Originally by: Belial02

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Edited by: Belial02 on 13/06/2006 14:18:44
I did but im kinda reluctant to drop my bonuses.
Also i appear to be able to deal more dmg with medium pulses, but then its not in pvp.

Right now (for PvE) my Puni has :

- 2 Mediums pulses, 1 dual light (Multi or infrared), 1 named NOS
- 1 named AB, 1 Webber
- 2 CPR, one HS and a repper.

It seems to work good.

I was thinking to trade either the CPR or the HS agaisnt plates but then i guess i'd get short on CPU.

Or maybe trade the webber for a scrambler.

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Originally by: Tenpenny Six

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Fit projectiles on your Punisher. You won't regret it.

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Originally by: Tenpenny Six

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Fit projectiles on your Punisher. You won't regret it.

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Originally by: Wheya

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Lasers by default do more dps against unhardened targets than hybrids or projectiles.

That's why Amarr 'only' get a cap bonus for lasers (I think it's a fine bonus, explanation in first sentence) on our ships while others get a damage bonus. Nevertheless Amarr know that lasers eat cap so our cap advantage on our ships isn't an advantage anymore if we don't fit plenty cap relays/rechargers. But who is fitting many cap modules on PvP setups if you can fit more useful stuff like EW? Hybrids have a very similar problem with cap, often a bigger problem when fitting MWD.

In PvP lasers are the best weapons against our supposed to be allies Caldari if they shield tank. There are many Ravens... That's why I am against a laser boost and against a Amarr ship boost.

Problem 1 are amarr lasers on frigates in PvP (the problem exists since the very beginning but nobody cares about t1 frigate balance) because of average armor resistance.
Problem 2 are EAN on cruisers/battleships since the introduction of armor compensation skills.
Problem 3 are longrange crystals doing EM damage only which isn't that powerfull in fleet combat against ships with 1600mm plating. They are fine against Caldari ships, though.
For t2 ships this problems are not that huge anymore as most of them still try to get similar resistances against all 4 damage types. Exception are Minmatar where their t2 resistance boost against Amarr are much more valuable compared to the t2 resistance boost of amarrian ships against the effiency of projectiles.

When to use lasers?
1.) PvE against Sanshas. Blood Raiders
2.) PvP against shield tanks
3.) Battleship sized pulse lasers have a nice optimal range which makes them a lot more usefull in gangs in shortrange combat (jump through gate sceneario) compared to autocannons and blasters who must sprint to each enemy with mwd to get into range. It's easier to get immediatly concentrated fire with large pulse lasers than with autocannons or blasters. For cruiser sized and frigate sized pulse lasers this advantage isn't that huge anymore, though.
4.) Amarrian ships with damage bonus to lasers still should fit lasers most of the time (Zealot, Absolution, Armageddon).

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Originally by: Belial02

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Ah crap i cant seem to be able to fit a scambler on that ship yet...

Or should i drop a cap relay and go for a cpu?

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Originally by: Great Artista

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Note that AC punisher has 2 gyros but thats because I can fit 2 gyros.
Theres also 25.25 grid that is left without usage... So you can make uber plate punisher if you fit AC's and drop those dmg mods. And QuickFit doesnt calculate in that nasty reloading time that comes with 200mm AC's... That is going to be fixed anyways.

Now go fit your punisher with blasters and have a ball

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Originally by: Great Artista

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THE PUNISHER:

Some fittings and calculations... All relevant skill levels are the same

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HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 11 | 16] Light Neutron Blaster I [80xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 11 | 16] Light Neutron Blaster I [80xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 11 | 16] Light Neutron Blaster I [80xAntimatter Charge S]
> [ 0 | 0] Empty Slot


MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 10 | 15] 1MN Afterburner I
> [ 1 | 30] Warp Scrambler I


LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 6 | 6] Small Armor Repairer II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
> [ 0 | 3] Capacitor Power Relay I
> [ 0 | 3] Capacitor Power Relay I

Average DPS : 56.184



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HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 11 | 12] Medium Pulse Laser I [1xMultifrequency S]
> [ 11 | 12] Medium Pulse Laser I [1xMultifrequency S]
> [ 11 | 12] Medium Pulse Laser I [1xMultifrequency S]
> [ 0 | 0] Empty Slot


MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 10 | 15] 1MN Afterburner I
> [ 1 | 30] Warp Scrambler I


LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 6 | 6] Small Armor Repairer II
> [ 0 | 3] Capacitor Power Relay I
> [ 0 | 3] Capacitor Power Relay I
> [ 1 | 30] Heat Sink I

Average DPS : 46.101



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HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 4 | 7] 200mm AutoCannon I [40xEMP S]
> [ 4 | 7] 200mm AutoCannon I [40xEMP S]
> [ 4 | 7] 200mm AutoCannon I [40xEMP S]
> [ 0 | 0] Empty Slot


MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 10 | 15] 1MN Afterburner I
> [ 1 | 30] Warp Scrambler I


LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 6 | 6] Small Armor Repairer II
> [ 0 | 3] Capacitor Power Relay I
> [ 1 | 30] Gyrostabilizer I
> [ 1 | 30] Gyrostabilizer I

Average DPS : 43.908

Note that AC punisher has 2 gyros but thats because I can fit 2 gyros.
Theres also 25.25 grid that is left without usage... So you can make uber plate punisher if you fit AC's and drop those dmg mods. And QuickFit doesnt calculate in that nasty reloading time that comes with 200mm AC's... That is going to be fixed anyways.

Now go fit your punisher with blasters and have a ball

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Originally by: Belial02

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These setups look great!

But i kinda thought using a NOS in pvp was mandatory, both to destroy target's tanking ability and to sustain you own cap use. Whats your reasoning ?

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