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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.15 07:21:00 -
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Allowing people to have opinions creates the whole issue in the first place.
Abolish opinions. Teach people how to think properly.
Problem solved. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Yarda Black
Epidemic. Nulli Secunda
184
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Posted - 2014.06.15 07:35:00 -
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I think any OP should deal with trolling. Its part of life. Every time you say something, there's a fair chance there's going to be a troll. A forum has the luxury of nobody seeing your response. Giving you the best weapon you can possible have against a troll: silence.
Derailing a post and going off topic is not trolling.
Now... I cant say anything dude. I'm being watched... |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2295
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:44:00 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I think any OP should deal with trolling. Its part of life. Every time you say something, there's a fair chance there's going to be a troll. A forum has the luxury of nobody seeing your response. Giving you the best weapon you can possible have against a troll: silence.
Derailing a post and going off topic is not trolling.
Now... I cant say anything dude. I'm being watched... It's not even possible to recognize every troll out there.
Think about Tippia. She's been trolling these forums for years and she can keep doing it forever, because she's doing it right! xD The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Sykaotic
Minmatar Brotherhood
12
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:49:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:Every forum has its white knight defenders and flagrant trolls.
Not every forum. But many gaming ones do and the older the games get the worse the forums get.
I have never really found much use on the forums, but wish I could. (played a bit in 2010 also)
I block all of the trolls aka "forum content creators" and still find it loaded with bs. Many other sites and blogs offer much better advice / help with the game.
I think they should re do the entire forums. Very stale and smells like old cheese.
In the mean time, join me in killing all miners, mission runners etc... if we all join together, there will be none left, an extremely intelligent plan, just like the forum "content creators" are helping with the forums.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5378
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:50:00 -
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Sykaotic wrote:Kijo Rikki wrote:Every forum has its white knight defenders and flagrant trolls. Not every forum. But many gaming ones do and the older the games get the worse the forums get. I have never really found much use on the forums, but wish I could. (played a bit in 2010 also) I block all of the trolls aka "forum content creators" and still find it loaded with bs. Many other sites and blogs offer much better advice / help with the game. I think they should re do the entire forums. Very stale and smells like old cheese. In the mean time, join me in killing all miners, mission runners etc... if we all join together, there will be none left, an extremely intelligent plan, just like the forum "content creators" are helping with the forums.
Aww lookit isn't it cute
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Dave Stark
6364
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:59:00 -
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Sykaotic wrote:I have never really found much use on the forums, but wish I could. (played a bit in 2010 also) knowing about upcoming changes isn't useful? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22499
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Posted - 2014.06.15 10:13:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:It's not even possible to recognize every troll out there.
Think about Tippia. She's been trolling these forums for years and she can keep doing it forever, because she's doing it right! xD Well sure, but that's because GÇ£doing it rightGÇ¥ entails not actually trolling, but rather having lots of people tick the wrong box in the simple questionnaire Dave Stark posted. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
433
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Posted - 2014.06.15 10:20:00 -
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I've always believed that the biggest mistake is taking yourself too seriously. If you come wading in with your "unassailable supreme idea, that will revolutionise the game, and only lackwits will not see the gloriousness of the vision" you are in trouble. Not only because your idea is likely nothing like that, and you are staring at it from a narrow, incomplete viewpoint, but because people just love poking blowhards with no sense of humour.
Show a touch of self-depreciation, and a willingness to take constructive criticism; roll with the first couple of punches with a smile on your face instead of rising up, going bright red, and spitting righteous venom back, and you'll find the forum fun, helpful, and constructive, and in place of the outright hammering to the face, you'll get some decent discussion (with an amusing sideline or two). |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3433
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Posted - 2014.06.15 11:07:00 -
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NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:If you post a good idea, you will likely be scolded for doing so too.
Nope. This is a delusion. I've posted good ideas that were well received, and I've seen many good ideas that I can get behind. What you're talking about here is Dunning-Kruger on behalf of the badposter who thinks they're a goodposter but doesn't realise how bad they are.
NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:The question becomes: Should communicating in poor taste be allowed?
There are already rules against posting in poor taste. See up there at the top right of the screen where there's a link to the forum rules? I suggest you read them. They define in no uncertain terms what is in poor taste.
I might just add, also, that if you don't like the way communication takes place in these forums, you would not survive long in an academic arena. The peer review process is scary, like a pack of sharks coming to dismember your idea limb from limb without mercy. There is no such thing as polite communication when you submit a thesis or a paper for review - they just tell you its bad, and why. Straight to the point. They'll even give you really bad side-eye if it's in person. In fact, you'll get the side-eye even if they like the idea.
NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:Is there a precedent for CCP to start banning forum members for distasteful communications?
There already is. CCP will ban people from the forums that are repeatedly breaking the forum rules, or in extreme cases, on the first offense. You're not producing a productive discussion.. What you're doing parallels asking for safety in highsec - you want a cottonwool padding around your precious 'feelings'. The thing is, no one likes being disagreed with, and no one has to. Everyone, however, has to accept that everyone else has the right to disagree and the right to be blunt about it, even if it offends you. If we stop criticising bad ideas just because the person being criticised feels offended, which is offense more often than not claimed over mere disagreement, then the bad ideas go left unchecked.
By the way, what separates a bad idea from a good idea are the merits of the argument for or against, not whether or not someone is offended by it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5380
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Posted - 2014.06.15 11:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote: By the way, what separates a bad idea from a good idea are the merits of the argument for or against, not whether or not someone is offended by it.
Hear Hear
Like nuclear power, eating meat or solving the economic and social problems of an entire country through a process of downsizing. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3433
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Posted - 2014.06.15 11:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: By the way, what separates a bad idea from a good idea are the merits of the argument for or against, not whether or not someone is offended by it.
Hear Hear Like nuclear power, eating meat or solving the economic and social problems of an entire country through a process of downsizing.
Actually, I don't know if you realised or not, but you pointed out a flaw in my argument. I was being a little general there, and should have been more specific in pointing out that this is in relation to ideas expressed on these forums. When it comes to nuclear power, for example, the merits of the argument need to be addressed scientifically. Rhetoric can be used to make an argument for or against nuclear power seem meritorious when scientifically, it is not.
Edit: which is why, in terms of EVE, ideas from newer players with less experience tend to be terribad, but not always. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5384
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Posted - 2014.06.15 11:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: By the way, what separates a bad idea from a good idea are the merits of the argument for or against, not whether or not someone is offended by it.
Hear Hear Like nuclear power, eating meat or solving the economic and social problems of an entire country through a process of downsizing. Actually, I don't know if you realised or not, but you pointed out a flaw in my argument. I was being a little general there, and should have been more specific in pointing out that this is in relation to ideas expressed on these forums. When it comes to nuclear power, for example, the merits of the argument need to be addressed scientifically. Rhetoric can be used to make an argument for or against nuclear power seem meritorious when scientifically, it is not. Edit: which is why, in terms of EVE, ideas from newer players with less experience tend to be terribad, but not always.
Totally agreed, I was more going for the "I understand and agree, here is something a little edgy which is humourous to some to help illustrate the point".
Also, my explaining that is also only to underline how the lack of emphasis in a post can be misconstrued, and does not always equate to calling anyone a dingus. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1967
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:06:00 -
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Imo, being offended by someone else's stated opinion dose not make your own, or your disagreeing with theirs any more valid than the next man's.
Or for that matter someone elses apathy on the subject "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3105
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Posted - 2014.06.15 15:19:00 -
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Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Thread closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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