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Torrent Talon
Joker Patrol
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Posted - 2014.06.15 18:55:00 -
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with the advent of the removal of the bonus on invulnerability fields I feel as if it would be beneficial that rigs were affected by the compensation skills |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2014.06.15 19:45:00 -
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I too would like some shield love after continuous nerfs for the past 3 years.
Hint: even MMJDs are shield nerf.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.15 20:42:00 -
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Torrent Talon wrote:with the advent of the removal of the bonus on invulnerability fields I feel as if it would be beneficial that rigs were affected by the compensation skills
What is going to be removed?
I'm my own NPC alt. |
Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
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Posted - 2014.06.15 20:52:00 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Torrent Talon wrote:with the advent of the removal of the bonus on invulnerability fields I feel as if it would be beneficial that rigs were affected by the compensation skills What is going to be removed?
The shield compensation skills only affect shield resistance amps and not hardeners. So if you only use active shield modules you can have perfect tank without even injecting the 4 resistance skills. Which seems really stupid to me.
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Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate
Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.06.15 21:36:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:The shield compensation skills only affect shield resistance amps and not hardeners. So if you only use active shield modules you can have perfect tank without even injecting the 4 resistance skills. Which seems really stupid to me.
Why?
This is exactly how the armour resistance skills work. |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
250
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:14:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:The shield compensation skills only affect shield resistance amps and not hardeners. So if you only use active shield modules you can have perfect tank without even injecting the 4 resistance skills. Which seems really stupid to me.
Why? This is exactly how the armour resistance skills work.
Because it's not the way it was and people grew accustomed to that. Change is scary.
Or... Because people felt that training these skills now is not as efficient of an investment in training time, since it only strongly benefits one style of shield tanking instead of two.
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Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:55:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:The shield compensation skills only affect shield resistance amps and not hardeners. So if you only use active shield modules you can have perfect tank without even injecting the 4 resistance skills. Which seems really stupid to me.
Why? This is exactly how the armour resistance skills work.
Yeah but I think it's silly for both of them.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
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Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:56:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:Paikis wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:The shield compensation skills only affect shield resistance amps and not hardeners. So if you only use active shield modules you can have perfect tank without even injecting the 4 resistance skills. Which seems really stupid to me.
Why? This is exactly how the armour resistance skills work. Because it's not the way it was and people grew accustomed to that. Change is scary. Or... Because people felt that training these skills now is not as efficient of an investment in training time, since it only strongly benefits one style of shield tanking instead of two.
For me, more the second. I haven't been around long enough to have known the first. Though I was aware it used to be that way.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
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Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate
Surely You're Joking
1240
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:44:00 -
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Do you want the modules to be nerfed? Because this is how you get them nerfed. CCP has stated that they don't want power creep. So if the skills get applied to active hardeners, then the hardeners will get nerfed to the point where Vs simply brings you back to where you were.
Are you sure you want to continue with this? |
Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
164
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:54:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Do you want the modules to be nerfed? Because this is how you get them nerfed. CCP has stated that they don't want power creep. So if the skills get applied to active hardeners, then the hardeners will get nerfed to the point where Vs simply brings you back to where you were.
Are you sure you want to continue with this?
Nope. You're right, that's exactly what they would do. I just hardly ever use shield amps, where energized membranes I use a lot, because of that it feels like I never make use of the shield compensation skills. having them apply to rigs would be pretty cool.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
220
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Posted - 2014.06.16 02:08:00 -
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To be honest, shield skills are a mess. It is quite stupid that you don't need any V skills in the shield tree to get a perfect shield tank. The two modules linked to V skills are never used. (SBA II and XLSB II) Tactical Shield Manipulation actually makes your tank worse, and enables nothing at V, so training it to V means blowing a million SP on making your character worse. |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1346
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Posted - 2014.06.16 02:36:00 -
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Only thing I want is for them to reimplement the apssive resists given to neuted out / not active ACTIVE shield hardeners, like they were, because as it stands, passive shield hardeners are weak enough that using them is ill-advised at best, and active shield hardeners leave you even mroe dead than passives if the enemy has a neut. so to at least have passive resists (maybe 2% per level of compensation) on actives if they are off would help. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
665
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Posted - 2014.06.16 02:47:00 -
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Until Ancillary Shield Boosters get limited to one per hull, or the entire ancillary concept gets changed to something more reasonable, shields dont need anything remotely resembling a buff.
The change that took the passive resist off active hardeners hit armor tanks as well, but our only omni resist module at the time was passive, so we never got much benefit from that feature of active hardeners to begin with. In the case of the adaptive invulnerability field it was providing almost the benefit of an Eanm turned off, and a very nice bonus when on. |
Torrent Talon
Joker Patrol
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Posted - 2014.06.16 15:40:00 -
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Let me clarify, my idea is for rigs to be affected by the resist bonus on compensation skills but as a drawback they'd stack with passive paltings/membranes giving you more choices/decisions to make when fitting/rigging |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:15:00 -
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Torrent Talon wrote:Let me clarify, my idea is for rigs to be affected by the resist bonus on compensation skills but as a drawback they'd stack with passive paltings/membranes giving you more choices/decisions to make when fitting/rigging
nope. as ppl have said. they really dnt need a buff.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:20:00 -
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Torrent Talon wrote:Let me clarify, my idea is for rigs to be affected by the resist bonus on compensation skills but as a drawback they'd stack with passive paltings/membranes giving you more choices/decisions to make when fitting/rigging
Don't they already do that? Stacking penalties are by the attribute that is affected not by the same module types or slot category.
Meaning 1 EM rig, 1 invul and 1 EM amplifier all stack already.
Edit: Just reading through it and am confused: You are advocating skill bonues shield rigs to stack with armor mods? |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.16 20:20:00 -
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Resistances do not have the same "stacking penalty" as other non-resist modules. The bonus applied is reduced by the resist amount before considering the new module. So when you add a new resist module or rig, reduce its effectiveness by the current resist amount.
Example: 25% plus 35% =/= 50% resist, nor is it reduced by the arbitrary exponentially decaying amount. It is 51.25%, or .25+.35*(1-.25).
Also, where does it say this change is coming? Because for god's sake enough on the shield hate, CCP. We're not just saddled with taking extra damage from everything just because shields, but now you're reducing our resists across the board?
And if we want to talk about resist mods and the balance between armor and shields, where are all my no-fitting resource required percentage-bonused mods? Where is my passive rainbow resist mod? EANM? Shields have no equivalent.
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Torrent Talon
Joker Patrol
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:33:00 -
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what i'm advocating here is simply that em/explosive/thermal/kinetic compensation skills affect the % resist given from rigs, nothing else, to add a bit more choice when fitting ships.... |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
113
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:59:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Resistances do not have the same "stacking penalty" as other non-resist modules. The bonus applied is reduced by the resist amount before considering the new module. So when you add a new resist module or rig, reduce its effectiveness by the current resist amount.
Example: 25% plus 35% =/= 50% resist, nor is it reduced by the arbitrary exponentially decaying amount. It is 51.25%, or .25+.35*(1-.25).
Also, where does it say this change is coming? Because for god's sake enough on the shield hate, CCP. We're not just saddled with taking extra damage from everything just because shields, but now you're reducing our resists across the board?
And if we want to talk about resist mods and the balance between armor and shields, where are all my no-fitting resource required percentage-bonused mods? Where is my passive rainbow resist mod? EANM? Shields have no equivalent.
It is not correct, the first two, yes, but that's basic + one module, no stacking penalty applies yet.
I tried it with your formula on a t1 thermal armor resist, adding one module after the other including rigs, 0 skills. Added to the basic 35% +25% (still correct 51.5%, no penalty, one mod). Add a second +25% resist, your calc says 65%, reality says 61%. add another +35% rig and your calc says 77%, reality 71,5%.
So it does work like any other mod !
And too bad shields got no EANM, buhuhu, where is our invulnerability armor resist ? |
Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
170
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:53:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:And too bad shields got no EANM, buhuhu, where is our invulnerability armor resist ?
That would be awesome. I would love to see such a module. :D
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
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