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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:38:00 -
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Even with racials and lvl 4 skills thats only a sensor strength of 12.**
My Chimera has 80 Backup Strength
I'm assuming the rook pilot was extremely lucky, but was he?
What should of been his chances (Assume maybe 1 racial and 3 other racial or 4 Multispec).
I am worried that the jamming calc is a wiffy, others thoughts?
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Sandra Tseng
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sandra Tseng on 16/06/2006 10:52:14
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:52:00 -
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he had 20% with a racial.. about 12% with multispecs
The big problem with ECM is relock time.. most of the time you don't have time to relock your target even if the jammer fails several times. This problem is already present with battleships, with capital ships it's several times worse.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:54:00 -
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Eddz, I hate to break it to ya, but Rooks are uber, m8.
Seriously tho, most EW pilots I know run at least two Caldari racials to screw over enemy EW ships. If they know what you're flying, obviously they will fit for that and a Rook with 4-5 T2 Caldari jammers is seriously going to **** with your ability to see anything outside your front windshield.
This post in no way reflects my love of the Rook, its sexy black skin or its ability to blind half of an enemy fleet better than a Scorp. 
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Tassi
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Posted - 2006.06.16 10:58:00 -
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You are not flying a thanatos, HAHA!
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:03:00 -
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Yeah jamming is silly over powered. I remeber a small skirmish fight we had with you guys in ls- and lunas jammed napths rook with a gallente jammer on a thorax...that was funny :D .
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Tassi
You are not flying a thanatos, HAHA!
Considering that the Thanatos real bonus is a 5% damage, and not 10%, the Chimera and Archon are suddenly decent choices. Of course, the only thing going for the Nidhoggur is that, for a minmatar design, you don't see to much duct tape.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:09:00 -
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Jamming is utterly borked, I tested with 100 jammings of a scorp against my backup'd dominix (50 strenght) a while back and the result where nothing close what math would have suggested.
Since then I always fit as much EW as possible on any ship I fly 
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Hobblah
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darwinia
he had 20% with a racial.. about 12% with multispecs.
With those probablilities per jammer, 1 racial + 3 multis have 44% probablity of succeeding per cycle and 9,4% for 3 cycles in row. Lucky yes but not really anything unusual.
If he had 2 racials and 3 multis, his changes were 17,9% jamming 3 times in row. Full set of 7 racials gives 49% change of succeeding 3 times in row.
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Quebber
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:34:00 -
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i throught jammers werent supposed to be able to jam capital ships? perhaps im obviously wrong here
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Caldessa
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Caldessa on 16/06/2006 11:36:28
Did you have named cruiser sized lasers fitted on that chimera as well?
Edit: sorry, couldnt resist :)
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Quebber
i throught jammers werent supposed to be able to jam capital ships? perhaps im obviously wrong here
Only motherships and titans are immune to EW.
And maybe dreadnoughts in siege mode as well, I can't remember, but carriers are definitely not immune to that stuff.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:44:00 -
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so ? once i jamed carier in rifter .... realy :)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:47:00 -
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Actually, jamming formulas work correct. Problem is that theory and practice aren't really same thing here.
The theory: we put N jammers on target (they all jam with probabilty p)... Average number of jammers that jam is N*p(math. expectation...), and probability that target is jammed is 1 - (1 - p)^N.
However that above is theory(which would hold, if locking time would be 0s), here comes the practice:
Locking time of bs on cruiser is something from 12-15s(thron needs 7+s to lock bs). Due to the lag and sloppyness(which does happen), you practically get 2 cycles in one's locking cycle. (let's do it this way: he tries to lock, all jammers fail, you get another attempt to jam him, before he even locks you).
And here comes the funny part - How to jam effectively :
Estimate lock time of enemy, and divide it by number of jammers you have(you get T) and put jammers on him in T interval. It gets funny when 3 or more jammers(modules) are in the play. Consider situation of bs vs jamming cruiser(12s lock time,4 jammers on cruiser). Cruiser would put jammers in 3s intervals(jammer cycle 10s), it would effectively get like 5 attempts to jam bs before bs can even lock.(yes, that is 5 jam attempts in 12s,(at 0, 3,6,9,12, 15,... ) And this suddenly doesn't look similar to "theory" above. When i get some time IRL, i will do some research on this:P
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.06.16 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ortu Konsinni
Originally by: Quebber
i throught jammers werent supposed to be able to jam capital ships? perhaps im obviously wrong here
Only motherships and titans are immune to EW.
And maybe dreadnoughts in siege mode as well, I can't remember, but carriers are definitely not immune to that stuff.
Well if you don't get the 'cannot activate blah blah because of interference' then you can. They have 1000 sensor strength tho Not sure if you can activate ecm on them or not...i know webs don't activate but not sure about ecm.
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Commoner
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Commoner on 16/06/2006 12:16:23
Would it make sense to make it so that after being jammed for 20 secs. you wouldnt need to lock the target again?...From what i see this is one of the big problems.
I mean, rendering a target useless for 20 secs. is quite a bit deal, having to relock is just ugly.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Eddz, I hate to break it to ya, but Rooks are uber, m8.
I have 3 parked in my Hangar, and full lvl 4 skills ;)
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.16 12:22:00 -
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@Seleene
Stop saying that, you will make the prices go up and I want them cheap 
It's all about beeing lucky tbh, in one small skirmish I had there was a sniping tempest, and even though I did had a racial jammer I didn't jam him the first try ... shot at him 2 other jammers (I never fit multies) they failed too ... I just couldn't get him jammed for 4 circles ! Then I was able to jam him 2 times in a row before another failure 
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
And here comes the funny part - How to jam effectively :
Did you take into account that you dont have to stop with one ship if the first jammer hits? How is that effecting the jammer chance?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Even with racials and lvl 4 skills thats only a sensor strength of 12.**
My Chimera has 80 Backup Strength
I'm assuming the rook pilot was extremely lucky, but was he?
What should of been his chances (Assume maybe 1 racial and 3 other racial or 4 Multispec).
I am worried that the jamming calc is a wiffy, others thoughts?
he was probably lucky but to be honest i don't see the problem with a tech II ELECTRONIC WARFARE ship jamming your carrier, i mean the rook is simply doing its role on the battlefield when it jams you, if a bunch of doms and ravens jammed the hell out of you, id give it to ya but rooks? its a specialized ship and worthless if it cant jam (and lets be honest it was very lucky anyways)
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: LUKEC
And here comes the funny part - How to jam effectively :
Did you take into account that you dont have to stop with one ship if the first jammer hits? How is that effecting the jammer chance?
Actually there things get more funny, but it is pretty much impossible to give you straight answer, because it really depends what you want. If you would have certain number of ships and certain number of jammers(more jammers than ships or vice versa?)... Also what ships you want jammed? There is too much random stuff to give answer. However if there are more enemy ships than you have jammers and they are all equal on priorty list... then putting 1 jammer on random ship(1 on any ship) is optimal(highest number of jammed enemies). But it is irrelevant as you might want rooks jammed, you don't need to jam primary etc.
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Buraken v2
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Buraken v2 on 16/06/2006 16:02:00
And in a totaly unrelated news...
Originally by: Sandra Tseng
Yesterday Sweden won over Paraguay in the WorldCup!
...back to you John ;)
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200m sexy ill bid on yours becouse you are so cute 
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Akkarin Pagan
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:08:00 -
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ANd this is why Rooks, Scorps, and Blackbirds are called Primary / Secondary in that order over all other ships in my experience
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:13:00 -
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jamming is pretty silly nowadays.
i managed to jam a nighthawk with a phase inversion jammer from 187k the other day.
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
jamming is pretty silly nowadays.
i managed to jam a nighthawk with a phase inversion jammer from 187k the other day.
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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