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Mark A
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Posted - 2006.06.18 18:40:00 -
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I wondered about this also - why is taking everything from a can treated differently to blowing it up? The conclusion I came to is range - you have to be <1500m to open a can, but you can shoot one from 200km. Therefore shooting cans is much easier as a grief tactic, which is why it is treated more harshly.
There is a strong case however that gang members should be treated the same as corp members for the aggression rules - that does seem wrong.
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Zarrika Khan
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Posted - 2006.06.18 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mark A .... There is a strong case however that gang members should be treated the same as corp members for the aggression rules - that does seem wrong.
Agreed.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.18 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zarrika Khan
Originally by: Sarmaul Activating an offensive module on something that doesn't belong to you or your corporation is classed as a hostile action and you will be punished as if you had shot someone illegally (security status hit, global criminal aggression, sentry fire and if in 0.5 and above, Concorden).
When in doubt as to what result your actions will have, remember that rule. And FYI, ship and cargo scanners are not classed as offensive modules as they don't actually try and inhibit the ship/object in some way.
So why should theft from a non-corp member be considered any less hostile or less of a crime?
Why should it be any different in EVE?
Because you are not activating a hostile module. The entire purpose of concord is to kill the person attacking something he/she shouldn't be attacking.
Until recently you could steal items from containers with no reproch. However, can flagging was intoduced to allow you to attack the person stealing your items. Consider it vigilante home defence :).
So long as you're not attacking anything, Concord doesn't give a ****. It's that misunderstanding of the purpose of Concord (it doesn't even care if you succeed in doing what you're trying to do so long as you get blown up eventually) that causes so many "why doesn't concord interfear when someone does this".
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BH Runner
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Posted - 2006.06.18 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zarrika Khan
Originally by: Sarmaul Activating an offensive module on something that doesn't belong to you or your corporation is classed as a hostile action and you will be punished as if you had shot someone illegally (security status hit, global criminal aggression, sentry fire and if in 0.5 and above, Concorden). When in doubt as to what result your actions will have, remember that rule. And FYI, ship and cargo scanners are not classed as offensive modules as they don't actually try and inhibit the ship/object in some way.
So why should theft from a non-corp member be considered any less hostile or less of a crime? Why should it be any different in EVE?
There is a difference,
If I steal a guys donut, then he might smack me in the mouth, thus flagging following stealing from a can. If I shoot the same guy in the face, the police will take a much more significant interest and shoot me back.
Eve isn't dissimilar, stealing donuts is bad but not as bad as shooting someone in the face. Currently behaviour described in this thread appears to be as per design. Some players do not seem to understand the design and shot non-corped members in high sec space. Just beacuse you made a mistake in doing so doesn't alter concord to the face you shot him in the face by mistake.
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Nyabinghi
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Posted - 2006.06.18 21:20:00 -
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Right now if you steal a guy's donut the police (Concord) gives the victum the red flag to go shoot you. But if you shoot the donut Concord comes in straight away and destroys you. So essentially Concord (the police) cares more about the donut than the person who owns the donut.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nyabinghi Right now if you steal a guy's donut the police (Concord) gives the victum the red flag to go shoot you. But if you shoot the donut Concord comes in straight away and destroys you. So essentially Concord (the police) cares more about the donut than the person who owns the donut.
Concord is a police force, so of course they care more about the donut than the person
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Zarrika Khan
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Posted - 2006.06.19 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Nyabinghi Right now if you steal a guy's donut the police (Concord) gives the victum the red flag to go shoot you. But if you shoot the donut Concord comes in straight away and destroys you. So essentially Concord (the police) cares more about the donut than the person who owns the donut.
Concord is a police force, so of course they care more about the donut than the person
Yes, I saw this coming as well but I was not going to go there.
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