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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Athule Snanm on 27/09/2003 11:28:11
(Minor edit to remove corp reference)
As this is not intended to humiliate the pilot involved I have anonymized the following log of a conversation that occurred this morning at approximately 10AM GMT, shortly after the TTi pilot lost his ship:
TTi Pilot > goodbye
NVA Pilot > bb m8
NVA Pilot > you leacing tti now?
TTi Pilot > i'm deleting my account
NVA Pilot > hmm not quite nessecery
TTi Pilot > you are a ******* ****
NVA Pilot > erm
NVA Pilot > we are at war....
TTi Pilot > i was getting my stuff from p-vy and leaving
TTi Pilot > i'm done
NVA Pilot > leave you corp, make contact with nva, and we'll escort you out
TTi Pilot > took me since start of game to get that ship
TTi Pilot > i won;t get another
TTi Pilot > so i'm finished
TTi Pilot > happy now?
NVA Pilot > we're at war man.. VENAL
TTi Pilot > super
NVA Pilot > what do you expect?
TTi Pilot > i didn't expect this game to be like this.
NVA Pilot > we you joined tti
NVA Pilot > *well
TTi Pilot > it's **** . **** ****
NVA Pilot > i suggest you join a good corp in empire space
TTi Pilot > see ya. and thanks again
TTi Pilot > i only wasted 5 months for you **** it in a a second
TTi Pilot > cheers
NVA Pilot > lol
NVA Pilot > m8 you delcared war on us
TTi Pilot > no me
TTi Pilot > not me
NVA Pilot > you know the score, don't blame me
NVA Pilot > well your TTI tag says you did
TTi Pilot > i still have XXXXX warp drive ops skill that i was bringing up for me
TTi Pilot > i am not hostile with [Corporation X]
NVA Pilot > TTI are at war with [Corporation X]
TTi Pilot > that's it anyway
NVA Pilot > ok, well sorry you feel that way
TTi Pilot > yeah. nice one
NVA Pilot > i suggest you join a new corp and rebuild
NVA Pilot > or get tti to buy you a nice ship
TTi Pilot > too late.
TTi Pilot > i'm finished.
TTi Pilot > bye
NVA Pilot > bb m8
NVA Pilot > gl
Corporations - if you are at war, make sure you take it seriously, and make sure your members take it seriously. War is not about notching up anonymous kills on a scoreboard somewhere, it's about attacking the enemy until they feel compelled to surrender. Before you declare war make sure you've consulted your members first, or risk losing disaffected pilots.
Pilots - if you are in a corporation considering war and you don't want it, make your opinions heard. If you are in a corporation that's in a war you don't want to be in, then quit it or convince your leaders to surrender. If you fail to do that then you, personally, are as much at war as any of the other members whether you're a trader, a miner, a combat pilot or a diplomat or anything else. An official war is a full scale war and you can expect no mercy from the other side.
At this point you may be feeling a little sorry for the above pilot, some poor miner stabbed in the back in a lonely dead-end system - combat thrust upon him unwillingly. Well think again, he was flying a scorpion battleship and the previous night he was attacking NVA mining operations (in fact pilots from, [Corporation X] who he claimed not be hostile against...). Once locked down by hunters and under attack he begged for mercy as he was being fired upon, mercy he would neither get due to the war situation nor deserve as he showed none the previous night when the tables were turned.
War is war. If you don't like it then there is a way out - surrender by your corporation and/or desertion by leaving it. There are no other options.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:27:00 -
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Ragnar took that really badly.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Chrysa Morganite
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:36:00 -
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Who ever it was, we wish him well in his new endeavors.
Chrysa Morganite
Information Manager
Taggart Transdimensional
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:45:00 -
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nice post Athule, and don't forget this applies to both sides.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.09.27 11:57:00 -
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BUt there will always be players ready to screw your day with pleasure regadless of any wars going on. I understand his pain and if he doesn't enjoy the game any more then he should leave. EVE is becoming very frustrating expirience. You have people working hard and people having fun ruining their work. That is why alliances and wars suck so much. Under the cloack of alliance/corp war or roleplaying you have a horde of jerks just killing people. And think about it: Has any war brought anything good to any world? Do you really think that you could gain something by destroying 100 ships of an insanely rich enemies?
No point in wars, even in imaginary worlds.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:04:00 -
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EVE is a virtual reality experience. In eve war and combat is fun. In RL war suxx. Do not get RL and eve mixed up.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:18:00 -
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The real problem is that there is soo little to gai from a war. Once stations and maybe even planets coem into it things will change because then you will be fighting for territory you can claim as your own and so on. Currently war is just a reason for leagely being able to blow somone up.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:28:00 -
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I totaly agree Athule.
Many times it seems that people in a corp only feel war applies to the combat pilots only, yet part of war is also disrupting supply lines. War is not just grand battles. War is total, unless prior rules of engagement have been set up prior to the war begining.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:38:00 -
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BUt there will always be players ready to screw your day with pleasure regadless of any wars going on. I understand his pain and if he doesn't enjoy the game any more then he should leave. EVE is becoming very frustrating expirience. You have people working hard and people having fun ruining their work. That is why alliances and wars suck so much. Under the cloack of alliance/corp war or roleplaying you have a horde of jerks just killing people. And think about it: Has any war brought anything good to any world? Do you really think that you could gain something by destroying 100 ships of an insanely rich enemies?
No point in wars, even in imaginary worlds.
It would be better if there is no war, but do not forget that war was declared on us. The NVA does not randomly go around killing people, whilst I'm sure the occasional accident occurs if we were truly pirates in the same way as M3G4 are and indiscriminate killers then the war has gone on long enough for it to have come out publically. I repeat my words to Yangja during my recent interview:
1. The war was thrust upon us
2. We went to war in order that we might be true to our sacred and solemn obligations to the VA Council.
3. Ragnar has cast out of TTi the spirit of liberty and decency.
4. Our own life as a corporation and as part of the NVA has to be fought for to the death.
5. This is a war on behlf of the common people. The success of TTi and M3G4 would be the end of democracy in Venal for many a weary year, and the fate of travellers in Venal would be sealed foerever.
6. We are fighting for the whole of EVE. Are we born to live in the shadow of TTi economic hegemony and the fear of corporation sponsored piracy on a scale previously unseen in the universe?
What do we gain from this war? We gain in that we have not lost what we have all worked hard for, if we had curled into a ball and faded away as TTi expected us to do then we and many other corporations would have lost everything. M3G4 and TTi would have turned Venal into 'their' region (as has been publically stated on these forums by their members and in space during conversations) turning it into a pit of evil inhabited only by vipers and other poisonous reptiles preying on innocent travellers. Instead Venal is becoming an example that you can win a war without betraying your allies, without lying, without greedily nurturing every last ISK and without killing everyone in sight. By destroying their ships we have made it possible for non-combat NVA corps to continue once more with peaceful activities.
The war is not over and there is much suffering to come, but the alternative for us is unthinkable. We at least have the happy knowledge that currently we are winning. For TTi and M3G4 and their members - the alternative is simple, desertion or surrender. How many must choose the first option before the second is inevitable?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:48:00 -
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Do you really think that you could gain something by destroying 100 ships of an insanely rich enemies? ... No point in wars, even in imaginary worlds.
No I disagree, war serves an important purpose in Eve right at this moment; it is the expression of faith in a cause. You cannot divorce the actuality of war from recognition of what is being fought for.
In Venal, for example, it is a fight for dominance between two opposing ideologies; on the one hand the Taggart piratical alliance are fighting a reactionary struggle to defend an exclusive criminal cartel and strip-mining rights, whilst on the other, the NVA are fighting to free up the region for lawful trade and open commerce.
The Taggart side is primarily pirates and murderers
The NVA side is primarily bounty-hunters, and war-mobilised industrial corps
Taggart/M3G4 are generally known for their hypocrisy and past pod-killing of innocentsą
NVA is known by its declaration of principles;
Principles
This is a difference; it is critical, it is worth fighting, dying, and yes, killing for.
I donĘt mourn for Taggart piratical Scorpion destroyed. In all likelihood that pilot has been pursuing innocent shipping for weeks. He chose the wrong side. We all make sacrifices.
So far this war has cost me around 800million isk. Do I begrudge a single isk? No. Because it is cause worth fighting for. The fruits of victory will be freedom and peace in Venal, and the bright-forged camaraderie of allies joined in common principle and full-tempered mutual far-respect in times-thereafter.
So this pilot is leaving Taggart ą good. If the loss is sufficient to drive him or her from Eve; well, that is a personal decision, but one I find scant sympathy for given the practise of wanton Taggart destruction of merchant shipping in recent weeks.
It smells of bad sportsmanship to me. Another pirate whining at the late arrival of just punishment.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:56:00 -
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If you put it that way then I am at 'constant war' with all pirate and semi-pirate corps And I also think that someone should make a stand against scum of the EVE but it should happen more often then now. But there is still issue of people using war as an excuse to blast someone to death and I'm 100% cartain that there are such people in every corp. And I still think that wars suck, no mather where.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mongo Peck on 27/09/2003 13:19:15
If you wear the colours then the rest is blah blah blah ..... TTi and the NVA are at "War" ... simple .... I expect them to shoot me and me them ....
Just another "freeloader" who wants to wear the colours and then *****es when he loses something thru a fair act of warfare.
Woof Woof Jade ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:20:00 -
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Thats about the single most sensible thing I have ever heard you say mr Pecker.
Good lord ... now I'm (almost) speechless.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:20:00 -
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and strip-mining rights,
Well, I guess Omber Zombie will be joining your cause now
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:24:00 -
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I have my moments 
Woof Woof
Mongo speaks !!
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2003.09.27 16:47:00 -
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Well, I guess Omber Zombie will be joining your cause now
Ill guess "The Alliance Against Mega-Roids" will be joining the other side of the cause...
"We brake for nobody"
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.09.27 16:58:00 -
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Athule, dont feel bad about shooting down a scorpion. People chose to play this game, and it says on the box its PvP. They can expect combat. Its their own ignorance if they claim they never expected it and want to quit EvE because of it.
This is not a hijack
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.27 17:10:00 -
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Err, I don't feel bad about it and it wasn't me who shot him up. I felt a bit sorry for the guy until I found out he'd been attacking our ships the night before. Not that feeling sorry for someone ever stopped me pulling the trigger so far :-)
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Yalson
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Posted - 2003.09.27 19:12:00 -
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Athule,
absolutely agree. Last time I checked this is still a game. What bothers me a lot are out-of-character attacks and insults, mainly on those boards. But within the game? It's a war situation, everyone's a target. Would I shoot at a lonely industrial in Venal? Probably not, because that's not the way _I_'d like to play the game. Would I be irritated getting shot myself? You bet - for all of five minutes.
Anything beyond that is unreasonable, and getting worked up so much about a game that's supposed to be fun clearly isn't worth it.
On the other hand, can't blame many people leaving the game. It's PvP alright, but currently combat is about the only content we have. If you started playing to focus on other areas - economics, research, smugglings, etc - you're still waiting for the game that was promised to you. Fighting just because there's nothing else to do puts people off.
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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.09.27 23:42:00 -
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TTi Pilot > i only wasted 5 months for you **** it in a a second
Was it a Titan? Well..5 months..
Every man lives..but not every man dies!
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