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Spoadfeld
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:49:00 -
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So what does AFK stand-for? I guess it means away from (k)onsole or something - but why do people get so annoyed about it?
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1of1
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Posted - 2003.09.27 12:53:00 -
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K-eyboard.
And peeps get annoyed because AFKers do stuff like mining in high sec systems when they're not actually playing the game (e.g. they leave their ships to mine while they sleep).
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Bashier Tarr
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:01:00 -
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AFK-mining is the lesser form of something that annoys players profoundly. It consists in getting a large-cargo-capacity ship, usually a bestower, fitting it with a mining laser, and parking it in an asteroid field in 1.0 space. It will take a lot of time to fill up the hold, but it's completely risk free mining.
The greater form, and often wrongly called AFK-mining is macro mining. Macros, in case you don't know, are command subroutines set to work usually on a loop. They allow, for instance, a person with two accounts and two computers to set one of them to mine with a cruiser (~5 mining lasers) and dump the ore to space, and the second account to shuttle back and forth hauling the ore with an industrial, all while AFK (away from keyboard). As the story goes, ore stealing was invented as a way to combat macro-mining.
In short:
AFK-mining doesn't disturb me, I actually do it from time to time, I set my industrial to mine pyroxeres while I study for instance, and I check it every 40 minutes to haul to station and start over. Macro-mining disturbs me greatly.
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Peachy
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Posted - 2003.09.27 13:34:00 -
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Edited by: Peachy on 27/09/2003 13:35:46
Macro mining is also a bannable offense.
If you want some fun with AFKers move your ship close to them so their between you and a station/planet/other jump point and then warp. If done right that should fire their ship off so its out of range of the roid, or just mine the roid out with a big ship so their sat there doing nothing.
Personally, like Bashier, i'm not bothered about the afker's, its the macro'ers that annoy me.
[edited for no good reason]
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2003.09.27 19:04:00 -
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Dunno what everyones problem is with AFK mining. There is nothing more tedious than mining. You undock, goto rock, lock rock, mine till full, warp back to station, dock, empty cargo - repeat 50 times per day for 2 - 3 million isk. Unless you part of a large well organised corp gettin isk for ships n toys for yer ship takes months. You can make a quick buck mining in 0.0 space but how long do you think your ship and everything on it will last?? And how long would it take a lone miner to replace? Took me 4 months to earn enough isk for my battleship and the only reason I could buy it is because for the last 3 weeks I have been using a macro otherwise It would have took me another 2-3 months to earn the ISK.
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Czar Marcus
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Posted - 2003.09.27 20:13:00 -
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I heard macro-mining isn't bannable because you're not changing how the game peforms, or acts, you're basically putting your character on auto-control.
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Pistolio
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Posted - 2003.09.28 00:04:00 -
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Away from Kernite.
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Pistolio
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Posted - 2003.09.28 00:23:00 -
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Away from Koala
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Pistolio
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Posted - 2003.09.28 00:23:00 -
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Away from Korea
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Pistolio
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Posted - 2003.09.28 00:23:00 -
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Away from Kryptonite
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Ross
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Posted - 2003.09.28 00:40:00 -
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hehe
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.28 04:07:00 -
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I am all for mining in an industrial and going away from the keyboard. It is very slow to do and is limited to a single asteroid or until the cargo hold if full. Then someone has to intervene to empty the cargo or select another asteroid.
I would actually appreciate it if there were more AFK miners if they would target Veldspar and Scordite to help in the redistribution of ORE.
I am apposed to the Macro Mining situation. This is an automated method to obtain items and resource in the game without having the player. In essence it is a form of cheating because not everyone has the ability to accomplish the task.
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2003.09.28 15:27:00 -
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I never macro mine unless im in the same room as the PC I gotta keep an eye on it cos of all the game bugs. It locks, crashes and has popups every couple of hours. I dont think im cheating.
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Sansake
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Posted - 2003.09.28 19:57:00 -
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As with most arguments in forums, I am hearing a lot of what must be described as "where do we draw the line"? Most folks agree that AFK mining is OK, whereas macro-mining is right out (Some have gone so far as to call it cheating) and why is this? I think that because most of us CAN AFK mine (and so do) but most of us only wish we could macro-mine. One person even went to far as to state that this IS exactly why they considered it cheating. This is not a viable rationale.
I can't macro-mine myself because I never learned to do so but I can't bring myself to begrudge those who have. If it bothered me that much, I would learn how.
What if I said that everyone reading this and the other posts were cheating because they are gaining valuable insight unavailable to me as I never learned to read? Everyone playing this game is cheating because I never learned to turn on my computer?
I realize that these are ridiculous extremes but at what point did they become ridiculous? Where do we draw the line?
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.29 00:49:00 -
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Good points. You are correct the line is fine and interpretation will vary from individual to individual. My view is with the stand alone EVE client you are not able to Macro Mine. However, creating a small program (for some of us is not that hard) which interfaces with the EVE client and gives us an advantage over the other players would is wrong.
It is similar to finding flaws in the game mechanics and using them to get an edge on other players. Everyone has access to the flaw, they just might not be smart enough or desire to find and use them. Sound logic, but eliminates the spirit of fair play.
Now being a person of some logic, I would tend to condone such actions. With type of games the benefit provided to a character may thrust them forward, but the enjoyment provided to the player will be hollow. What I have noticed, which has made me change my mind, is use of these measures (macro mining) is normally in areas where newer players abound. Such actions detract from their game play and I cannot condone directly ruining their experience for anotherĘs personal gain, especially when they are using outside tools. For example strip mining a starter system.
If all else fails, part of the rules states do not do it.
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Winston Zedaman
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Posted - 2003.09.29 04:59:00 -
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I heard macro-mining isn't bannable because you're not changing how the game peforms, or acts, you're basically putting your character on auto-control.
"7. You will not attempt to reverse engineer, hack or by any other means try to change code or game files nor in any way capture, decipher or interfere with transmissions to or from the game servers nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game."
This is from the in help section found right here on the board. Sounds pretty clear to me on macros.
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kwoodward
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:26:00 -
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I know this is off topic but just thought of something, what if you use the mp3 tool from eve-i or eve-dude plus, am i now breaking the rules :/
on topic tho I think afk mining is fine if you do it it's your risk.
macro mining is just plane wrong!
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Sylvius
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Posted - 2003.10.01 20:21:00 -
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I've been AFK Mining a fair amount recently, but now it seems all he Scordite has been mined out, so I'm forced to switch to smaller Pyro 'roids.
It's odd seeing a belt with no Scordite.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 22:33:00 -
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but it's completely risk free mining.
Almost risk free.
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Tipsy
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Posted - 2003.10.02 15:56:00 -
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" nor will you try to create or use any kinds of third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game."
Surely that would include the many tools online that give you info on blueprint requirements, how to best setup your character for a certain profession...
For something as mundane as dragging ore from one location to another, I can't see why macros shouldn't be allowed. If people used it for more complicated activity (even perhaps including the flying back and forth if you had two accounts, as someone else outlined) then I could understand why it would be unacceptable - it would be a level of automation of a process which would be detracting from the game.
I don't, however, think there is anything particularly complicated in setting up your shipboard computer to transfer cargo from your hull into an external cargo canister every so often.
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