The CSPA serves no real function, except annoying people.

Back when I was new (in 2009), there was a growing problem. ISK-seller and RMT-service spammers would create new toons and then private convo or mail spam entire systems worth of people.

I see the point,
but there things don't happen anymore nowadays.

I remember times when ISK sellers were advertising in chatrooms,
but these times are long gone.

The default CSPA is 2.950 ISK.

A new player isn't aware of the CSPA, or doesn't realize he has to deactivate it.


Every single day I find people with their CSPA on
and they either haven't known or forgot to turn it off.


New players start out with 5.000 ISK.



How do you expect them to talk to others,
when they have to waste money to talk to them?


Even assuming that they are running the tutorials and making money,
it's still a significant amount not to be wasted.


The CSPA serves no real function, except annoying people.

It does not prevent spam either. The victim of a spam attack would have to set it to the current maximum
to work as prevention and then it only works against those who have issues affording it continuously.

Considering how easily longer time players can make money, this is no argument.

ISK is no balancing factor here.




I know that I'm bringin up the New Player argument here,
but that's because my age allows me an insight into the new players' perspective.




Thank you for your consideration.

Clearly the only correct solution to this problem is to increase the maximum CSPA charge from 1m to 100m.

I'm actually quite serious.

Next: Why are you talking to people with this on every day? That may be an issue you ought to consider.

The only person who this price is going to affect is a person who spams every player around. Spammers spam in bulk, you see, so even at a minimal level the charge is effective. I have seen people with huge amounts and maybe they are just saying they don't care to talk to anyone.

Opinions are all this entire board is. Every concept, including you ironic statement, are qualitative in nature. So my opinion since you're too stupid to understand is this -- the system is working perfectly and there is no reason to waste time fixing shift that isn't broken.

The beginning missions will pay several hundred thousand isk. They don't take long at all to do but they are long enough to keep spam down. And the price of the default is so low it only hurts someone who is spamming in large amounts. But I've said that before. Done with this thread.

You're not adressing what I mention at all.

You just don't want it to be changed, for whatever reason you have.

It's clearly visible that you simply do not want this to change,
for your own reasons you don't seem to want to express.


"default is so low" ... and yet, a new player who wants to engage others early
has no way to do so, without running the tutorial missions,
forcing him into doing them.

And then, still, people do not want to spend the cost of the CSPA,
because for them it's a lot of money.

Something you, of course, ignore because you believe you know better,
which is completely irrelevant in the light of the extremely likely possibilities I am mentioning.


If you, instead of trying to simply dominate here ... which doesn't work at all ...
... instead wrote a post with actual content and sense ... then you might actually find a case.


This thread is fine ... but your attitude stinks. :)

If CSPA is removed, ISK spammers will come back. They are not a one-time occurrence, they are a plague. They don't care for the game or if people have fun, they only want to make money. And if you have played other, unprotected games, you know that they will go for any length to archive their business intention, even if it means destroying the game for good.

If anything, then CCP should add a hint to the chat-invite message that CSPA is on and how to disable it.

The group that has most to gain from your suggestion are the spammers. Unless you're an idiot or you are actually an alt for a spammer and trying to engineer the situation where you can start spamming again, I would hope very much that you can see the point in the CSPA.

It's hilarious that people assume that,
when CSPA is gone,
suddenly the ISK spammers will come back.

There are barely any ISK spammers visible in locals anymore,
I haven't seen a single one in the last two years myself,
but yet, for some reason, you people still believe they are around en masse.


You people need to realize that it's 2014 already
and that the ISK seller spamming scene has pretty much vanished.


So ... any actual arguments ?

And BESIDES THAT ... the CSPA does NOT prevent anybody from spamming, at all.
All it needs are a few clicks and the cost is irrelevant to any spammer,
because he obviously has enough ISK to spend to make real money.

Most people DON'T actually have a CSPA set high enough that it would matter to them!
It matters to those, though, who don't have money to waste!
And there are a lot of them, even if you wrongly believe otherwise.


Arguments ... people. Not just drivel about the past, without actual thought behind it!

I don't think you understand how multiplication works when spamming a very large number of players. Or what that means when each ISK has a dollar/euro value assigned to it and how that would effect the bottom line of a business that relies on mass "cold calling" as it is known in the sales world with a very low rate of uptake and very thin margins.

And still, you have not a single shred of evidence that we'd fall back into the dark ages.


Still waiting for actual arguments.

And still, you have not a single shred of evidence that we'd fall back into the dark ages.


Still waiting for actual arguments.

The burden of proof is on you here and so far you have not provided any. Still waiting for actual arguments.

I suggest you take a couple of college level classes in business management and accounting before you propose changes to game mechanics that are rooted in these principals.

No, it's not.

You came up with crap, that doesn't seem to have any base in actual reality anymore.


I don't need to prove that there barely any isk spamming people around,
because it's obviously for literally everybody in space to see.


You come up with your imaginary idea of ISK spammers suddenly coming back,
while ignoring that there aren't any out there anymore.

You just think "Oh wow, CSPA is gone! CSPA was against ISK spammers, so obviously removing it
will magically make them return! Let's ignore all the advances in catching botters and RMT sellers!
Let's ignore the fact that CCP actively buys ISK from these sellers and bans them!"

Yeah I'm sure ISK spammers will be happy to have CCP on their asses,
so obviously they will spam a lot about it ... *nods*



Still waiting for an argument.

No, it's not.

You came up with crap, that doesn't seem to have any base in actual reality anymore.


I don't need to prove that there barely any isk spamming people around,
because it's obviously for literally everybody in space to see.


You come up with your imaginary idea of ISK spammers suddenly coming back,
while ignoring that there aren't any out there anymore.

You just think "Oh wow, CSPA is gone! CSPA was against ISK spammers, so obviously removing it
will magically make them return! Let's ignore all the advances in catching botters and RMT sellers!
Let's ignore the fact that CCP actively buys ISK from these sellers and bans them!"

Yeah I'm sure ISK spammers will be happy to have CCP on their asses,
so obviously they will spam a lot about it ... *nods*



Still waiting for an argument.