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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.27 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 02:39:30
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 19:00:27
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 18:59:13
If the Gallente are against slavery, why donĘt they boycott trade with the Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom? Why are they so opposed to direct action? They werenĘt in the Caldari Gallente War when the Gallente sent a war fleet to decimate the Caldari Homeworld and civilian cities in response to a terrorist attack. That war is long over, yet still the Gallente sit on the Caldari Homeworld like a race of overgrown maggots. I would rank the Actions of the Gallente Government below those of M0o. At least M0o doesnĘt go around bombarding planets or pretending to be things it isnĘt!
If the Gallente wish to wipe the impression that they are outspoken hypocrites, let them cease trade with the Amarr and Khanid slavers, or surrender the Caldari Homeworld to the Caldari!
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Treylon
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Posted - 2003.09.27 19:13:00 -
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Why should we stop trading with the Ammar, we trade with Caldari and we used to be enemies. The fact is, while most Gallente don't believe in slavery we also don't think it's right to have wars over it and claim the lives of millions of slaves and citizens. If the slaves will be free it should be through diplomacy and internal changes within the Ammar empire it'self.
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Adrial
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Posted - 2003.09.27 19:38:00 -
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fear not, the time IS coming!
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.27 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 20:38:46
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 19:45:38
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 19:43:57
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Why should we stop trading with the Ammar, we trade with Caldari and we used to be enemies. The fact is, while most Gallente don't believe in slavery we also don't think it's right to have wars over it and claim the lives of millions of slaves and citizens. If the slaves will be free it should be through diplomacy and internal changes within the Ammar empire it'self.
The essence of Gallente Hypocracy!
Did you even read my post? You trade with Amarr, therefore support slavery, yet when there was a terrorist attack by some fanatical Caldari group you went and destroyed our cities, taking millions of innocent lives.
According to your idealogy you are against slavery; there are Gallente slaves. While the minmatar fight the Amarr, you Gallente choose to aid them!
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.09.27 20:11:00 -
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You trade with Amarr, therefore support slavery
We've been saying that for months.
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.27 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 02:39:51
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 20:35:46
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fear not, the time IS coming!
You probably would have said the same thing yesterday. And you probably would have said the same thing if I made this thread tommorow instead of today.
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Vand'aal
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Posted - 2003.09.28 01:50:00 -
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A thread of interesting opinion. It seems as if tho one of the Caldari, our long time brothers in arms, has seen fit to himself decide what is right or no.
On the other hand the Fool asks the Gallente to become active in interstellar politics.
This peon thinks his worthless words and ideas can change anything.
Added to the ever growing list of Fools.
Slavery may be wrong, but clean your own **** before you point at the dirt of others, Fool.
Yet another disgusting idiot.
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Idonis Maxamillion
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:36:00 -
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Thats simple slave Gallente belive in freedom in all forms even if thats the freedom to enslave inferoir life..
Idonis the wise...
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 02:40:17
Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 02:38:57
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A thread of interesting opinion. It seems as if tho one of the Caldari, our long time brothers in arms, has seen fit to himself decide what is right or no.
On the other hand the Fool asks the Gallente to become active in interstellar politics.
This peon thinks his worthless words and ideas can change anything.
Added to the ever growing list of Fools.
Slavery may be wrong, but clean your own **** before you point at the dirt of others, Fool.
Yet another disgusting idiot.
Amarr fool, this thread was aimed at the Gallente. Don't meddle in politics you dont understand, the amarr example was to be used to reinforce the Caldari Prime example.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:40:00 -
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Honestly, should we boycott the Minmatar because we don't agree with their stink? Just because one empire does something another does not like does not mean we should cease doing business with them. Cutting off the Amarrians will hurt us more than it hurts them. Do they really need us?
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:41:00 -
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Honestly, should we boycott the Minmatar because we don't agree with their stink? Just because one empire does something another does not like does not mean we should cease doing business with them. Cutting off the Amarrians will hurt us more than it hurts them. Do they really need us?
Should you bomb innocent cities because you dont agree with their terrorists?
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:44:00 -
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Perhaps if you kept better control of your citizens we would not have needed to bomb anything. We needed to make an example of you. We don't want every nickel and dime race thinking they can attack the Federation.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:53:00 -
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We a hundred and fifty dolla race thank you very much
and if it wasnt for your ample supply of *****s the universe would have wipe your worthless spot of space out LONG ago
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 02:54:00 -
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Perhaps if you kept better control of your citizens we would not have needed to bomb anything. We needed to make an example of you. We don't want every nickel and dime race thinking they can attack the Federation.
The peace loving race makes examples of innocent people, trying to live their lives?
tsk tsk tsk
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:05:00 -
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The peace loving race makes examples of innocent people, trying to live their lives?
tsk tsk tsk
Peace is perfectly fine when it is profitable. If peace is a danger to our personal prosperity, why should we continue it?
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:08:00 -
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The peace loving race makes examples of innocent people, trying to live their lives?
tsk tsk tsk
Peace is perfectly fine when it is profitable. If peace is a danger to our personal prosperity, why should we continue it?
And one is lead to belive that Caldari are those obsessed with profit and that Gallente are idealists... Thank you for removing these misunderstandings....
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:10:00 -
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Some would say that you sound of Gallente descent and I of Caldari. I don't think either of us would make good representatives of our people.
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Adrial
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 02:39:51
Edited by: Demerzel on 27/09/2003 20:35:46
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fear not, the time IS coming!
You probably would have said the same thing yesterday. And you probably would have said the same thing if I made this thread tommorow instead of today.
But the storm is gathering, there are those on your side, the time is not yet ripe.
I speak of freedom for all. I will indeed stop tradeing with those of amarr.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:20:00 -
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I speak of freedom for all. I will indeed stop tradeing with those of amarr.
Even those Amarrians who do not condone slavery? Why should they suffer just because of their blood? Sounds like you two are the real hypocrites here.
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:27:00 -
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I speak of freedom for all. I will indeed stop tradeing with those of amarr.
You have earned my respect.
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 03:32:54
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I speak of freedom for all. I will indeed stop tradeing with those of amarr.
Even those Amarrians who do not condone slavery? Why should they suffer just because of their blood? Sounds like you two are the real hypocrites here.
Are you Dyslexic, Mjr Tom?
A few moments ago you were talking about how people should be massacured due to the misbehaviour of their bretheren.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mjr Tom on 28/09/2003 03:36:58
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 03:32:54
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I speak of freedom for all. I will indeed stop tradeing with those of amarr.
Even those Amarrians who do not condone slavery? Why should they suffer just because of their blood? Sounds like you two are the real hypocrites here.
Are you Dyslexic, Mjr Tom?
A few moments ago you were talking about how people should be massacured due to the misbehaviour of their bretheren.
It is called a double standard, and is my point. First you believe that Caldari citizens should not suffer for the acts of some Caldari terrorists, but then you you think that innocent Amarrian citizens should suffer for the actions of slave traders.
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Demerzel
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 03:39:54
In the end only Vand'aal forced me into a stupid post, Mjr Tom is constantly either saying things that are against Gallente ideology or against things he's said previously, very easy to parry .
I wasnt prepared for your blunt hatred, Vand'aal, kudos to you you decadent scum.
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Mjr Tom
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Posted - 2003.09.28 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Mjr Tom on 28/09/2003 03:56:18
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Edited by: Demerzel on 28/09/2003 03:39:54
In the end only Vand'aal forced me into a stupid post, Mjr Tom is constantly either saying things that are against Gallente ideology or against things he's said previously, very easy to parry.
I wasnt prepared for your blunt hatred, Vand'aal, kudos to you you decadent scum.
What's the problem? Can't refute the fact that you yourself are a hypocrite, so you resort to this?
As for me going against Gallente ideology, that should be expected by now. You of all people should understand that you should not judge someone by blood alone, he who goes against his allies the Amarr.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.28 05:06:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 28/09/2003 05:18:35
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They werenĘt in the Caldari Gallente War when the Gallente sent a war fleet to decimate the Caldari Homeworld and civilian cities in response to a terrorist attack. That war is long over, yet still the Gallente sit on the Caldari Homeworld like a race of overgrown maggots. I would rank the Actions of the Gallente Government below those of M0o. At least M0o doesnĘt go around bombarding planets or pretending to be things it isnĘt!
If the Gallente wish to wipe the impression that they are outspoken hypocrites, let them cease trade with the Amarr and Khanid slavers, or surrender the Caldari Homeworld to the Caldari!
It is time to enlighten you my friend.
First off, stopping all trade between the Amarr and Gallente people will hurt the Caldari aswell. As you undoubtly know as the political mastermind you think you are, Caldari megacorps are as much dependant on Gallente-Amarr trade as they are on their own direct trading with other empires.
It is easy to swing around boycots like this when it doesn't affect you, but are you prepared to suffer the consequences yourself now you know this?
This however, is not the real problem. You seem to think that the Federation proceeded to drive the Caldari from their homeworld just because a terrorist group flooded a submerged city? I'm afraid there is more to it than just that Mr. Demerzel.
In those days long past, the Caldari and Gallente people operated under a joint federation. They planned to explore and colonize the galaxy together, to share the burden and the rewards.
The Caldari megacorps weren't very happy with this apparantly, because they proceeded to settle hidden outposts and bases in secret. They wanted to exploit the riches of the unexplored galaxy themselves and certainly not share them with the Federation. The Caldari government was very well aware of this, but what is the Caldari government anyway, except a puppet of their beloved megacorps?
Ofcourse, after the discovery of this treacherous behaviour by the Caldari, the Federation justly demanded a full scale investigation and immediate authority over these settlements, but the megacorps refused.
They felt their freedom had been cut down too much already while the Caldari people were part of the Federation and decided to sit tight, not willing to give away anything.
Soon the Caldari set out to blockade the stargates leading to their private properties and in return the Federation blockaded Caldari Prime. There lived a sizeable population of Gallenteans on Caldari Prime, and due to this blockade the local Caldari became restless.
This led to a certain group of Caldari fanatics sabotaging the protective dome of the submerged Gallente city of Nouvelle Rouvenor and thereby killing millions of people.
The Federation responded decisively and wiped the Caldari off their planet, which might have been a little harsh, but it was not like the Caldari didn't have it coming. (ooc| Imagine what the United States would do if Japan nuked San Francisco from the face of the Earth.)
Now that that is out of the way, tell me this Mr. Demerzel:
We all know that the Ishukone and Hosokawa corporations have factories in Amarr space. Have you ever gone there and checked up on the employees? Who do you think work there? Only Caldari and Amarr? Are you that naieve?
How you dare to accuse *anybody* of hypocracy is beyond me. Next you'll be going around accusing Minmatar of being too schemey, that they plot things behind everybodies backs or maybe you will accuse the Jovians of not sharing their technology with us and being greedy? Or god forbid, that Gallenteans are overprotective of their people?
Hahaha, I'm sorry Mr. Demerzel, but you are one of the comical figures I met to date, be it intentional or not.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.28 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 28/09/2003 08:17:33
"It is time to enlighten you my friend.
(..)
The Caldari government was very well aware of this, but what is the Caldari government anyway, except a puppet of their beloved megacorps?
(..)
The Federation responded decisively and wiped the Caldari off their planet, which might have been a little harsh, but it was not like the Caldari didn't have it coming."
... Is that what they teach the young Gallente in schools nowadays?
Mr. Seqi, two quick points if i might.
a) there is no such thing as unified 'Caldari government'. Because of its non-existence, it cannot of course be 'a puppet of megacorps'.
b) the Caldari were not 'wiped off their planet' which is probably very fortunate for you... otherwise i cannot imagine a federation which claims it stands for democracy and freedom of its members, to continue with such moral burden. Instead, the population of Caldari Prime was evacuated to safety while the great Gallentean navy was tied for weeks first fighting the limited --but superior-- Caldari forces, and then chasing handful of ships led by our Admiral Tovil-Toba, until his final suicidal dive into Gallente Prime.
edit: oh, and also:
""In those days long past, the Caldari and Gallente people operated under a joint federation. They planned to explore and colonize the galaxy together, to share the burden and the rewards.
The Caldari megacorps weren't very happy with this apparantly, because they proceeded to settle hidden outposts and bases in secret. They wanted to exploit the riches of the unexplored galaxy themselves and certainly not share them with the Federation."
Am afraid you have the history somewhat backwards here. The 'hidden outposts and bases' were by no means hidden, and neither were they established during the time Caldari were part of the Federation.
Au contraire, with the joint Caldari-Gallente invention of jumpgate technology preceeding the origins of Federation by at least a hundred of years, those colonies were well formed by the time Caldari and Gallente became an union. The Gallenteans simply weren't informed of their existence, as there was no need for it -- these were, after all, purely Caldari business.
'Twas nothing but the Gallenteans' desire to meddle into those purely Caldari affairs that resulted in the war. But i guess 'tis something so deep in your nature, your race simply cannot help themselves....
... hope it helps in the... enlightenment, as you call it. :s
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Tyr Bowman
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Posted - 2003.09.28 09:32:00 -
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Where any of you people actually IN the Gallente - Caldari war? Where you in any way hurt by its passing?
I dont think so seeing as you'd have to be 93 even if you where born right at the end of that war, and none of you look that old to me.
What I do not understand is why our two races are still bickering over a war which ended almost a century ago.
Demerzel: if everyone stopped trading with eachother then half the technology currently installed on your ship would be either illegal or non-existant. The four soverignties are symbiotically connected to eachother. If one falls or breaks contact then the rest will suffer.
The only exception to this seems to be the Jovians, but their isolationist policy seems to have so far kept them away from any political issues with the rest of us.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2003.09.28 11:10:00 -
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Honestly, should we boycott the Minmatar because we don't agree with their stink? Just because one empire does something another does not like does not mean we should cease doing business with them. Cutting off the Amarrians will hurt us more than it hurts them. Do they really need us?
Should you bomb innocent cities because you dont agree with their terrorists?
If it's a Caldari city, then yes 
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Merjan
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Posted - 2003.09.28 11:53:00 -
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Funny thing is that most of Minmattar agnets working for minmatar corporations and in my case for Republic Justice Department also provide other services.
I am yet to find level 1 Minmattar agent that does not provide (sell) slaves.
And there you are talking smack about Gallente.
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Vand'aal
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Posted - 2003.09.28 12:44:00 -
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Sometimes rage lends you perspective and focus, but do not let it master you.
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