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Bodark
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Posted - 2006.06.21 05:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Commander Nikolas
Originally by: Galack Fyar
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
Every single mission runner needed and deserved to suffer. You deserved to have every single source of high sec income taken away from you. You deserved to killed again and again well running missions, until you quit playing eve. :)
Excuse me? Who died and made you the leader of computer games? What gives you the right to tell anybody else how to play a game?
Just shut up and go war dec another mining corp because "they are a threat" :)
lmao, I didn't make the changes. Just enjoying the wave of suffering it will inflict. If I was lord of computer games, I would have removed instas in this patch too :).
Thats because you are a griefing troll.
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Commander Nikolas
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
Not to mention this is a blatent change to help BOB and the other large T2 BPO holders... I love the changes to the missions but why won't you do the same to the T2 BPO holders! Seriously make their T2 BPOs drop to 1/3 in price! They are just as bad as the mission runners! Share the love :)
How does a T2 BPO generate new isk into the system?
It dosen't generate new isk into the system it consolidates all the isk in game into the T2 BPO holders hands. T2 BPO holders make billions of ISK with little or no effort. It is the ultimate monopoly. The only people rich enough to buy T2 BPOs are people that have them already. Pretty simple really.
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CrazyWombat
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:06:00 -
[93]
SIGNED!!!!
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 21/06/2006 06:33:45
Edited by: Sadist on 21/06/2006 06:32:28
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
It dosen't generate new isk into the system it consolidates all the isk in game into the T2 BPO holders hands. T2 BPO holders make billions of ISK with little or no effort. It is the ultimate monopoly. The only people rich enough to buy T2 BPOs are people that have them already. Pretty simple really.
Nonexistent social mobility created by a system fault.
I understand that eve isnt "fair", but shouldnt devs promote teamwork and wit as a way to become smart? Atm all there is, is the ultimate domination of the "lucky" bunch and no fair way to shift that around.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.21 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 21/06/2006 06:42:58
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
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It dosen't generate new isk into the system it consolidates all the isk in game into the T2 BPO holders hands. T2 BPO holders make billions of ISK with little or no effort. It is the ultimate monopoly. The only people rich enough to buy T2 BPOs are people that have them already. Pretty simple really.
You Sir, have not much of a clue when it comes to T2 production. The only difference between most T1 and T2 production is in less volume you have to haul in ores and goods. If you have a problem with some T2 producers, please do not generalize.
Back to the topic.
ccp: (saying) We're going to fix the mission respawn/farming problem
Mission runner: (thinking) Great! They're finally fixing the broken system we poked at for over two years.
ccp: (acting): Reduce or remove the bounties in missions massively. Reduce the amount of cans the players can loot. Lower the quality of the modules that drop. Make npc totally slaughter the players for a couple of weeks. Sell more ETC for those not willing or able to join the 0.0 crowd. Do not fix loot tables. Implement faction ships with tags instead of bounties you have to collect. Introduce farming areas and call them complex. Remove the more interesting missions from HiSec. Remodel the missions with a chance of a faction loot drop so there wont be anything interesting left.
Hrmpf
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Axristos
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:56:00 -
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Sad .
And I gave ccp 1 month training for that t2 indy to loot the 5-10 complex
still after reading all the post can't find the reason that made ccp to nerf the drones.
Axr
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Robitussen
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Edited by: Tachy on 21/06/2006 06:42:58
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
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It dosen't generate new isk into the system it consolidates all the isk in game into the T2 BPO holders hands. T2 BPO holders make billions of ISK with little or no effort. It is the ultimate monopoly. The only people rich enough to buy T2 BPOs are people that have them already. Pretty simple really.
You Sir, have not much of a clue when it comes to T2 production. The only difference between most T1 and T2 production is in less volume you have to haul in ores and goods. If you have a problem with some T2 producers, please do not generalize.
Back to the topic.
ccp: (saying) We're going to fix the mission respawn/farming problem
Mission runner: (thinking) Great! They're finally fixing the broken system we poked at for over two years.
ccp: (acting): Reduce or remove the bounties in missions massively. Reduce the amount of cans the players can loot. Lower the quality of the modules that drop. Make npc totally slaughter the players for a couple of weeks. Sell more ETC for those not willing or able to join the 0.0 crowd. Do not fix loot tables. Implement faction ships with tags instead of bounties you have to collect. Introduce farming areas and call them complex. Remove the more interesting missions from HiSec. Remodel the missions with a chance of a faction loot drop so there wont be anything interesting left.
Hrmpf
Hi !
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ALUN
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Posted - 2006.06.21 07:58:00 -
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/Signed
WTF CCP???
Drone alloys were one of the main sources of Zyd in empire , from market statistics 200k - 800k units of zyd were sold per DAY per core region.
Now that the zyd source for empire has been cut i predict a very sharp rise in zyd prices , making ship prices go up among other things , meaning pvp will become more risky (less players pvp'ing now) , mission runners income slashed so they now cant afford to pvp , and to top it all off , zyd prices will become so high that 0.0 guys will be wanting to mine crok all day long purely from the huge profits that can be made trying to supply the empire production lines , thus turning a sizeable chunk of 0.0 pvp'ers into miners !!!!
Nice one ccp !!
As has been mentioned before in here , the LVL 4 drone missions didnt NEED to be nerfed in this way, to stop ppl chaining for 7 days a week you could have simply made it so it didn't respawn everyday ... and missions respawning everyday if objectives are not met is your fault not ours. Change the mechanics, DONT Totally screw up production prices and turn pvp'ers into miners.
The drone nerf is too much , I and i think alot of ppl would have been happy if you had just halfed the amount of alloys dropped but still keep the new bounties on the drones... a happy comprimise maybe.
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Sukme Sidwayz
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: ALUN
Drone alloys were one of the main sources of Zyd in empire , from market statistics 200k - 800k units of zyd were sold per DAY per core region.
Now that the zyd source for empire has been cut i predict a very sharp rise in zyd prices , making ship prices go up among other things , meaning pvp will become more risky (less players pvp'ing now) , mission runners income slashed so they now cant afford to pvp , and to top it all off , zyd prices will become so high that 0.0 guys will be wanting to mine crok all day long purely from the huge profits that can be made trying to supply the empire production lines , thus turning a sizeable chunk of 0.0 pvp'ers into miners !!!!
Nice one ccp !!
I agree!
Nice one ccp !!
I love the changes.
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Code Breaker
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:06:00 -
[100]
/signed
Ok now I understand what my corp were complaining about at midnight when I could barely keep my eyes open.
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OutLaW StarWind
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:19:00 -
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/signed and:
There are some problems with the missions that will be reverted at
least. I can't say at this time what exactly will be changed all in all.
-GM Guard
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mint89
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:32:00 -
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/signed.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:37:00 -
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i want a dev reply.
i want to know if this is a huge fhuack up or a perm change. god damnit. give us some explinations. reasons. for fhuaksake.
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WilliamRiker
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Posted - 2006.06.21 08:47:00 -
[104]
/signed
CCP please undo CNTRL + Z the static update tommorow!!!!!!!!!!
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Szydera
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:14:00 -
[105]
Zyd in Hi-sec???? WTF
Foocking lame whiners start live with it....
Besides if You playing this game 1year and You cant buy t2 BPO worth 20-30bil You are a lame thats all.
Bunch of foocking noobs.
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sloany
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:27:00 -
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There should never have been a plentiful source of high-ends in empire, due to the whole risk v reward thing. Nobody said you need to join an alliance to mine in 0.0 either.
I think the rouge drones should drop veld instead
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:36:00 -
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It's good that this thread has become as popular as it is, and the variety of people replying shows just how much of an unjustified nerf this has been.
I realize there'll always be someone shouting that these changes are for the "good", but when they are as abrupt and sudden, and undocumented, they are most likely unwelcome; Not to mention how much this will screw up the economy of zyd in empire.
AFAIK, zyd was added to low sec ores, because prices were skyrocketing, going higher than mega in most cases, now CCP have decided to revert the changes, not only nerfing the plexes, but the lvl 4 missions with drones, reduced variety (again), and crippled one of the major sources of high-end minerals.
Time to hoard zyd AGAIN, anyone?
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R0ze
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:44:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Miss Overlord
the removal of easy ISK always rattles a few lazybones - alternatives exist heck u can make 200m in one hit on cosmos missions.
/signed
COSMOS missions???!!! (I wont't even mention that a whole race (Gallente) lack it)?
How about standing to get them? Doing like hundrends of lvl1-2 cause lvl4 is more or less undoable? It kinda seems like more "farming" for me..
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Blighter
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:47:00 -
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Everyone is complaining, but no one will mention the one truth this change brings.
Level 4 Drone missions are balanced in reward-time-risk Vs. every other level 4 mission.
Before they were one of the easier, and the highest paying mission a level 4 runner could acheive.
Now, they are probably still better value over the Extravaganza's n time-reward, but they are not DRASTICALLY better.
Reminds me of the missile nerg, when missiles were by far, the single best weapon in game, and they were changed, brought in line with all other weapons.
That's all this was. bringing drone missions rewards in line with other level 4's
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:47:00 -
[110]
Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 21/06/2006 09:48:11
Originally by: Szydera
Zyd in Hi-sec???? WTF
Foocking lame whiners start live with it....
Besides if You playing this game 1year and You cant buy t2 BPO worth 20-30bil You are a lame thats all.
Bunch of foocking noobs.
a lovely example of 0.0 uber personalities. flame threads and post with your alts cause your a ****face. -lets all move there right now and keep this lovely alt entertained.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Blighter
Everyone is complaining, but no one will mention the one truth this change brings.
Level 4 Drone missions are balanced in reward-time-risk Vs. every other level 4 mission.
Before they were one of the easier, and the highest paying mission a level 4 runner could acheive.
Now, they are probably still better value over the Extravaganza's n time-reward, but they are not DRASTICALLY better.
Reminds me of the missile nerg, when missiles were by far, the single best weapon in game, and they were changed, brought in line with all other weapons.
That's all this was. bringing drone missions rewards in line with other level 4's
5\10 complexes are harder than the IO mission mate, way harder.. i dont mind the difficulty, but increasing it 10x times while reducing the pay off by 40% is a kick in the nuts. what do you in eve if you dont mind me asking?
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R0ze
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Posted - 2006.06.21 09:58:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Blighter
Everyone is complaining, but no one will mention the one truth this change brings.
Level 4 Drone missions are balanced in reward-time-risk Vs. every other level 4 mission.
Before they were one of the easier, and the highest paying mission a level 4 runner could acheive.
Now, they are probably still better value over the Extravaganza's n time-reward, but they are not DRASTICALLY better.
So who gains there and in what way?
The people not doing missions and not interested in them?
Will there be less server resource usage (many drones == bad)?
Originally by: Blighter
Reminds me of the missile nerg, when missiles were by far, the single best weapon in game, and they were changed, brought in line with all other weapons.
Its kinda different - balancing by giving some bonuses to other items versus just nerfing ..
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Wanten
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:05:00 -
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/signed, this was the wrong complex to change, in all fairness it needed an extra overseers added for the one missing in the 3rd level nothing else.
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urekt
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:11:00 -
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Zyd in Hi-sec???? WTF
Foocking lame whiners start live with it....
Besides if You playing this game 1year and You cant buy t2 BPO worth 20-30bil You are a lame thats all.
Bunch of foocking noobs.
signed
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La Muerte
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:22:00 -
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/Signed
It's just a basic tank em all mission now  and wait a long time till you 've shot 'em all down.
This used to be a fun mission , now it has become one of those long tedious missions.
Oh , and of course it was a stealth nerf....
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Blighter
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:56:00 -
[116]
Originally by: R0ze
Originally by: Blighter
Everyone is complaining, but no one will mention the one truth this change brings.
Level 4 Drone missions are balanced in reward-time-risk Vs. every other level 4 mission.
Before they were one of the easier, and the highest paying mission a level 4 runner could acheive.
Now, they are probably still better value over the Extravaganza's n time-reward, but they are not DRASTICALLY better.
So who gains there and in what way?
The people not doing missions and not interested in them?
Will there be less server resource usage (many drones == bad)?
Originally by: Blighter
Reminds me of the missile nerg, when missiles were by far, the single best weapon in game, and they were changed, brought in line with all other weapons.
Its kinda different - balancing by giving some bonuses to other items versus just nerfing ..
meh, missiles got nerfed. they didn;t really get bonuses. Torps still did the same damage vs. BS, just elss vs. smaller ships. they were balanced with guns Vs. small targets. they were flat out nerfed.
But the simple point is, the old rewards were DRASTICALLY out of balance vs. all other level 4 missions in terms of risk Vs. time Vs. difficulty. Actually, it is still better than others, just not as drastically improved.
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Delezar
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Posted - 2006.06.21 10:58:00 -
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Imho Zydrine, Megacyte and Morphite should have never been available through mission running or complex farming in non 0.0 space. There is a reason, that the high end roids are in 0.0 space, so should be all other sources for those minerals. The drone missions and drone complexes were the ultimate way for a carebear to get around the game mechanics to obtain such minerals without buying them. Therefor the change, I am glad about it and it was about time. |
B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.06.21 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Delezar
Imho Zydrine, Megacyte and Morphite should have never been available through mission running or complex farming in non 0.0 space. There is a reason, that the high end roids are in 0.0 space, so should be all other sources for those minerals. The drone missions and drone complexes were the ultimate way for a carebear to get around the game mechanics to obtain such minerals without buying them. Therefor the change, I am glad about it and it was about time.
you may have a point mineral wise, but why not make for that loss which is estimated in around 40 milion in alloys vs 8 milion in newset bounties. farming and getting around game mechanics is not the issue here as every aspect of the game is farmed and exploited one way or another, but why nerf this bad? it is a 5\10 complex afterall, it should yield a proper amount of isk considering it has 7 lvls. hell a smilar faction 5\10 would have the same tier pay out, and probaly drop some nice loot ontop of them bounties..
this nerf came as an extremely hard to most of the eve community.
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Zafon
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Posted - 2006.06.21 11:53:00 -
[119]
/signed
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Tara Deklein
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Posted - 2006.06.21 11:53:00 -
[120]
/signed
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